| rocky |
I've asked elsewhere but nobody knows. As a prospective Pilot owner, what did Honda do at the Factory to fix the transmission? Was it as simple as adding the oil jet ("this is the best we can think of") kit or more definitive solution.
I'm real leary of the Pilot's transmission, and the fact that they are going to replace their existing factory with a new one, presumeably with a new transmission as well, doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies enough to drop $32k at my dealers door..... |
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| N_Jay |
I would not be too worried.
I don't think anyone on this board has had a failure related to the recall issue. (chime in if I am wrong).
I think the recall is an indication of how quickly Honda addresses issues like this.
Has anyone here had a Dodge without a transmission problem?
When was the last time they did a recall to fix a problem that has been going on for over 10 years?
At least we don't have wheels falling off like Durangos! |
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| Scoobs |
Hi N_Jay
I guess I'm the one guy who owned a Dodge Grand Caravan from July of '95 to August of '04 and didn't have a problem with the transmission. Of course, as you can see from this picture from '03, I take care of my vehicles. |
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| rocky |
Funny how I only know people with Honda/Acuras who have had their transmissions replaced, but none of the Dodge etc friends have had trouble with theirs. That includes my FIL on his third.
Why did CR pann Dodge for transmissions while ignoring Honda/Acura Transmission failures?
Thinking of calling my local Honda dealer to find out. |
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| osteome |
My parents went through a transmission at 32K on a 1993 Dodge Grand Caravan. Two others that they have had, one before and one since have had no problems.
When I worked for a Chrysler Plymouth Jeep dealership for a period of about 18 months, I had one new 1998 Chrysler Town and Country Limited lose a tranny at 3,000 miles. Talk about a p*ssed off owner. He of course got to wait in the proverbial line behind the Grand Cherokee customers with repeatedly warped rotors.
I, like N_Jay, have yet to hear of a catastrophic tranmission failure on a Pilot and would assume that a forum would be a likley outlet for frustration and rage.
We have had no unexpected troubles on our late build 2003 over the course of ownership with almost 20,000 miles on the clock. at the present time we are tossing around the idea of replacing our 2003 in a few months with a 2005 EX-L RES or a 2005 Odyssey.
In my mind the history of numerous glitches and failings of various GM, Ford and Chrysler models, depsite recent improvements will keep me at the Toyota or Honda store. Don't even get me started on resale....... |
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| pjb3 |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Has anyone here had a Dodge without a transmission problem?
Traded in a Grand Caravan with 137,000 miles for the Pilot and totaled an Intrepid with 52,000 miles, both no problems. |
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| pjb3 |
quote:
Originally posted by osteome
I, like N_Jay, have yet to hear of a catastrophic tranmission failure on a Pilot and would assume that a forum would be a likley outlet for frustration and rage.
You might want to check out the AcuraMDX site. There have been enough transmission problems and failures that they have a heading under problems just for that. |
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| iivtecracerii |
the oil jet kit is not a "this is the best we can think of" fix, but it does in fact resolve the problem. Honda discovered that the second gear may not get enough lubrication under RARE cicumstances thus overheating it and weakening it. this would cause gear teeth to chip off and MAY CAUSE the transmission to lockup. the oil jet kit sprays oil onto the second gear, giving it adequate lubrication. don't overreact about this tranmission thing.
at least honda was proactive about it and VOLUNTAIRILY recalled nearly all the late model cars with V6's to get this jet kit installed to prevent the RARE cases when the damaged second gear MAY CAUSE the tansmission to lock up. i believe no one has had their transmissions lock up because of this issue, nor have i heard anyone get into an accident because of it. any other manufaturer would have swept it under the carpet until the government FORCED them to recall.
recent news about durangos and dakotas having their wheels fall off, and a chrysler spokesperson said THIS ISNT CONSIDERED AS A SAFETY ISSUE. :confused:
had the government not FORCED them to do a recall, they would have ignored the problem completely. |
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| AlH |
I drive a 2000 Dodge Durango at work, it has over 100,000 miles with no transmission problems.
I gotta say too it is a whole lot quieter than our Pilot on rough roads and has NO 70mph vibration.
In the past I never liked Dodge but this one maybe has softened my position some, it has been a good vehicle, in some respects superior to the Pilot. I can't believe I said that but it's true!
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| pjb3 |
quote:
Originally posted by iivtecracerii
at least honda was proactive about it and VOLUNTAIRILY recalled nearly all the late model cars with V6's to get this jet kit installed to prevent the RARE cases when the damaged second gear MAY CAUSE the tansmission to lock up. i believe no one has had their transmissions lock up because of this issue, nor have i heard anyone get into an accident because of it. any other manufaturer would have swept it under the carpet until the government FORCED them to recall.
recent news about durangos and dakotas having their wheels fall off, and a chrysler spokesperson said THIS ISNT CONSIDERED AS A SAFETY ISSUE. :confused:
had the government not FORCED them to do a recall, they would have ignored the problem completely.
What you say may be true for the Pilot as far as this board is concerned, but not for Honda or Acura in general. Check other boards and you will find instances of Honda transmissions locking up at speed and Honda has not addressed this with a recall but offered an extended warranty and that was only after a fair amount of pressure. There are reports of people on their third and fourth transmissions in TL's.
Let's face it no manufacture is going to say a vehicle they produce is unsafe, the legal staff would never allow it. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with our Pilot and I'm happy with Honda and I would certainly buy another one. My point is that Honda is not that different from any other manufacturer. |
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| ChiPilot |
| Since 1991 I have had 3 Accords, 2 CRV's and a Pilot , and I have never experienced any mechanical or trans problems ever. So I guess I am just lucky. My neighbors Jeep is always getting towed somewhere and he finally gave up and is for sale. |
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| PNW-Pilot |
quote:
Originally posted by pjb3
What you say may be true for the Pilot as far as this board is concerned, but not for Honda or Acura in general. Check other boards and you will find instances of Honda transmissions locking up at speed and Honda has not addressed this with a recall but offered an extended warranty and that was only after a fair amount of pressure. There are reports of people on their third and fourth transmissions in TL's.
Let's face it no manufacture is going to say a vehicle they produce is unsafe, the legal staff would never allow it. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with our Pilot and I'm happy with Honda and I would certainly buy another one. My point is that Honda is not that different from any other manufacturer.
Htat's probably the best quote yet. Everybody has some problems it's how the company deals with it that makes me happy.
Dodge was not going to recall the Durango/Dakota for the wheels. Period. Then they received something around 100,000 complaint calls after it was on the news, they changed thier minds. Makes me leary of Doge, but they did the right thing.
I can name at least 1 person who has a problem with any make/model. HUman made it will have problems, some less then others. Enjoy what you drive, other wise take the bus :) |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
I've asked elsewhere but nobody knows. As a prospective Pilot owner, what did Honda do at the Factory to fix the transmission? Was it as simple as adding the oil jet ("this is the best we can think of") kit or more definitive solution?....
The external oil jet kit was used to retrofit existing vehicles. An internal change was made to the transmission as a permanent fix. Most 04s and all 05s have this transmission.
Not that I would know, but I'm guessing the internal change was something simple, like changing internal shape of the transmission casing to redirect more oil to the point in question. |
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| brewmasterflash |
I had posted in a previous thread (unable to find it now), that this was the Pilot was the second in the past three new vehicles I have purchased that have had tranny problems. My 99 Lexus has been find through 55k, and my other problem vehicle was a 94 Intrepid. My experience with Honda has been better than Dodge. As one poster pointed out, at least Honda acknowledged the problem and dealt with it (although I have to think that with the nature of this problem, there had to have been a catrostrophic failure somewhere to bring it to Honda's attention).
The dealings with Dodge were not nearly so favorable. We accepted the 30k bumper-to-bumper warranty (instead of the 60k drivetrain only). At 33k the tranny went. In talking with independent tranny repair shops, they said they were beginning to see many Intrepids enter their shops for repair, most around 30-60k miles. Dodge would not admit a problem (probably since the failure was not a safety issue), and after much haggling (thanks to the wife) we were able to get Dodge to pay for half, the dealer to pay for half of the remaining half, and we got a $2000 tranny rebuild for $500 bucks. I continued to use the car (with occassional tranny hesitation) through 160k.
I contend that in this day and age of increased horsepower from smaller and smaller engine blocks, it's putting a strain on the transmission. I'm not a mechanical engineer, but it might explain the general transmission failures across multiple companies. |
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| Art |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
Funny how I only know people with Honda/Acuras who have had their transmissions replaced, but none of the Dodge etc friends have had trouble with theirs. That includes my FIL on his third.
Why did CR pann Dodge for transmissions while ignoring Honda/Acura Transmission failures?
Thinking of calling my local Honda dealer to find out.
Funny how I know several who have had their Dodge trans go, and nobody with a Honda/Acura! :p |
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| colorider |
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Originally posted by Art
Funny how I know several who have had their Dodge trans go, and nobody with a Honda/Acura! :p
Funny how I know people who have had their Ford/Mercury trannie go, but nobody with a Dodge, Honda or Acura!
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| Art |
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Originally posted by colorider
Funny how I know people who have had their Ford/Mercury trannie go, but nobody with a Dodge, Honda or Acura!
:cool:
I didn't mention Ford...figured EVERYONE knows at least a dozen people with a trans or multiple other problems on a Ford (found on road dead, fix or repair daily, fu*$in old rebuilt Dodge, etc.) !!!:2: |
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| rocky |
| Sounds like Ford and Honda are even on the transmission front. |
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| Art |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
Sounds like Ford and Honda are even on the transmission front.
Not even close....Fords had problems for decades... |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
Sounds like Ford and Honda are even on the transmission front.
Nope, the Honda/Dodge comparison is better since the transmissions are of similar design. (and both REQUIRE specifically designed fluids) |
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| JungleJim |
Years ago, Honda decided not to pay royalties to use the Hydromatic design used by many other manufacturers. They decided to design their own.
If you look inside a Honda transmission, it looks very similar to a regular 5 speed transmission, but with the addition of lines, hoses, etc.. That's why Honda's have never shifted quite as smoothly as other manufacturers. |
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| iivtecracerii |
| really? the pilot transmission shifts the smoothest out of all the automatics i've driven. |
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