| Pairallel |
There have been a multitude of tire threads, with many different opinions. Let's see if we can get a consensus from the people whose opinions matter most - the drivers of Pilots whose lives are riding on these tires.
If you had to replace your OEM or current tires today, regardless of the reason, what tires would you buy?
Assume money is only a minor consideration, since a full set will run $400 - $600 anyway, and the $200 variance is only pennies a day over the life of the tires.
Consider safety, warranty, handling, road noise, wet traction, dry traction, snow traction, rolling resistance, sidewall lettering, Consumer reports reviews, Tire Rack reviews, your particular climate needs, your own personal experience...whatever.
Which ones would YOU buy - right now??? |
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| Crawfish |
| I would go with Kumho Venture HT. |
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| copilot |
| I've only got about 20,000 miles on the no-Integrity; but the Nokian WR-SUV are the ones I'm going to replace them with. |
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| vellinga |
Pirelli Scorpion STR-A
Had ours on the Pilot for 2.5 months now and they're handling much better in the snow, slush, rain and dry than the OEM Goodyears. |
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| Pairallel |
Yikes! 39 votes so far, and not a single one for the Integrity or Dueler?
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| dss_ripped |
The Yokohama Geolander is probably the nicest all around tire in the poll.... GREAT bang for the buck. Excellent traction in dry, wet, or snow conditions. Great treadlife.
Other honorable mentions not listed would be the Kumho Venture HT - amazing tire for $70 but will wear a little faster than the Geolander. And the Firestone Destination LE at about $75/tire. Also excellent in all highway conditions.
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| xGS |
quote:
Originally posted by Pairallel
Yikes! 39 votes so far, and not a single one for the Integrity or Dueler?
:eek:
Clearly, there's a big difference between tolerating the performance of the OEM tires, until they wear out, and liking them enough to buy another set as replacements. |
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| xGS |
quote:
Originally posted by dss_ripped
The Yokohama Geolander is probably the nicest all around tire in the poll.... GREAT bang for the buck. Excellent traction in dry, wet, or snow conditions. Great treadlife.
Other honorable mentions not listed would be the Kumho Venture HT - amazing tire for $70 but will wear a little faster than the Geolander. And the Firestone Destination LE at about $75/tire. Also excellent in all highway conditions.
Dave
What sort of tread life did you get from the Kumho tires compared to the Yokohama's?
Now, if you accept the results of the Consumer Reports test, then the Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S G051 had the absolute worst traction in snow of all the tires that were evaluated - and its performance on ice was only marginally better. Typically, poor traction in winter conditions is a side effect of an effort to achieve low rolling resistance. However, in this case, Yokohama has managed to design a tire that has the worst/highest rolling resistance, as well.
Again, in the CR test, the Kumho Road Venture HT and the Firestone Destination LE both finished mid-pack, with neither tire performing especially well in winter conditions. |
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| mgorbsk |
| I have every issue of Consumer Reports since 1993. They have never let me down and use them as a reference before I buy anything. Nobody speaks of the top rated Goodyears, but lots of people on this forum support the Mich LTX or CTs. Even though they are rated lower in the pack, I think I will go with the LTX very soon. I think they are solid and the braking rating is like the finish line of an olympic competition, maybe it was a few feet longer than the top rated and came in last, so gets a black dot. |
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| colorider |
quote:
Originally posted by Pairallel
Yikes! 39 votes so far, and not a single one for the Integrity or Dueler?
:eek:
Did you expect otherwise? :2:
I honestly think you would get close to the same results on most any other forum/vehicle/tire. Most everyone feels that OEM tires suck. Usually an OEM tire (unless a performance car/bike) is a compromise at best.
After almost 28K miles (and in my 3rd Colorado winter) on my OEM Goodyears, I don't have any significant issue with them. Would I buy them again - probably not - but I have no intention of removing/replacing them until they are in need of replacement or have one or more that is unserviceable - forcing me to replace all four.
YMMV
Oh yes, when the time comes, I will most likely check into the Geolander or one of the Big O offerings.
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| dss_ripped |
quote:
Originally posted by xGS
Now, if you accept the results of the Consumer Reports test, then the Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S G051 had the absolute worst traction in snow of all the tires that were evaluated - and its performance on ice was only marginally better. Typically, poor traction in winter conditions is a side effect of an effort to achieve low rolling resistance. However, in this case, Yokohama has managed to design a tire that has the worst/highest rolling resistance, as well.
Again, in the CR test, the Kumho Road Venture HT and the Firestone Destination LE both finished mid-pack, with neither tire performing especially well in winter conditions.
This is very strange. I've driven the Yokohamas for a while now (but not on a Pilot), and love 'em in snow. BTW, a buddy raves about the BFG Traction T/A tires.... What does CR say about them? They're very cost effective too, and the tire rack user surveys are hugely positive.
Also, I double checked tire rack, and the user surveys are highly favorable for all the tires I've mentioned.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...are1=yes#Survey
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...are1=yes#Survey
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...are1=yes#Survey
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| sblvro |
| ;) to the thread starter, why not put a 1-5 star rating for these tires so everybody who have used it can rate these tires. it can be used as a guide for decision making in buying the next set of shoes for the pilot. I suggest adding pirelli scorpions too since it falls in the same price list and is applicable to the pilot. anyway, tirerack base their rating on feedbacks from customers. Who would be a better judge for that but the tons of pilot owners in this board. |
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| Pairallel |
quote:
Originally posted by sblvro
;) to the thread starter, why not put a 1-5 star rating for these tires so everybody who have used it can rate these tires. it can be used as a guide for decision making in buying the next set of shoes for the pilot. I suggest adding pirelli scorpions too since it falls in the same price list and is applicable to the pilot. anyway, tirerack base their rating on feedbacks from customers. Who would be a better judge for that but the tons of pilot owners in this board.
Excellent Idea! I have been debating how to get actual ratings posted here. I don't think it should be in this thread though.
This thread was created for the hundreds of owners who will have to replace their tires in the near future. Instead of starting a thread asking what they should buy and getting a hundred different answers with thread hijacks everywhere while the issue gets debated, this is a simple informal poll that summarizes what most informed drivers are actually doing with their hard-earned $$$.
I suggest you start a poll/thread for whatever brand you have chosen, and let people rate there.
I'll start one now for my selection - you'll see it up shortly.:cool: |
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| Art |
| I'd go with Perelli, put them on our Odyssey and like them. Beats the Michellins they replaced. |
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| tknewlin |
I replaced the Goodyear's with CT's at approx. 1000 miles. Noticed a difference on dry payment as the Pilot didn't wander on uneven surfaces like the Goodyear's did. Handling was sure. Road very nice and fairly quiet. I was pleased so far. Didn't see any wet weather until the last couple of days. Today was the test. Wife went to Wichita and drove through some pretty heavy rain storms as well as light rain the entire trip. Interstate, rural two lane blacktop, cross town expressway and surface streets. Not a single issue. She is happy, I am happy, with the CT's. At first, it didn't make any since to replace brand new tires but after reading the post here and the reviews on tirerack about the poor wet and snow traction, I couldn't send my wife out on those Goodyear's any more.
By the way, anybody interested in a set of slightly used Goodyear's, cheap.
Enjoying our better than new Pilot. |
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| bcclements |
The Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza looks like an interesting choice.
Dueler H/L Alenza
I am currently shopping for replacements and this tire is a new offering from Bridgestone.
I would appreciate any comments. |
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| Jet-Pilot-64 |
| I voted for the Forteras 2 weeks ago, but ended up buying the CT's. GO MICHELIN!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Sportymonk |
| Do all Pilots come with Goodyears now? All I see at the local dealer is Goodyear. Doesn't look like exchanging for Bridgestones when you buy is an option anymore. |
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| Pairallel |
| bump for new members |
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| rocky |
We had a heavy rain come through here and on one corner I've taken for 10 years and never had a problem, the GY Int slid out at the front end.
I want to suck it and see, a little longer, but if they are that bad, I'm probably going for either the Pirelli SR or SRA or the Nokian WR SUV. |
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| stiles_s |
quote:
Originally posted by vellinga
Pirelli Scorpion STR-A
Had ours on the Pilot for 2.5 months now and they're handling much better in the snow, slush, rain and dry than the OEM Goodyears.
:thumbup: We like our STR-A's as well, though I had to return two due to vibration problems. The new ones are almost smooth now. Are yours smooth at 70? They have greatly improved traction over the GYI's, though I do think my mileage has suffered. |
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| tangotango99 |
| I just bought the Geolander hts will have them installed today and now u have me worried.I bought them using the TIRE_RACK ratings. |
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| charlie |
I mentioned a week ago that I had Dunlop Radial Rover AT's mounted.They are 1.5" taller than stock tires,and I was pleasantly surprised that they fit with no rubbing etc.The 245/75 16 were actually a mistake-I wanted 245/70 16's,but I decided the mistake might work out ok.
We just drove home-1600 miles,so we have a better idea on how they work.
1)They are quieter-no question-than the Bridgestones.
2)I do seem to feel a little more sway-wallow in the ride,but maybe that is my imagination,since I would expect the taller sidewall to cause a bit of wallow.It isn't dangerous feeling,but I think I notice it.
3)The ride is definitely more compliant-softer despite the 35 psi pressure(32 is "stock".
4)The ride height-ground clearance is obviously higher-calculated increase is .75".It is much,much easier to crawl under it now-spent quite a bit of time under there looking for potential interference.
5)CR says they brake waaaay better than average-who knows-the Bridgestones seemed ok to me-I don't have an accelerometer(actually I do have a G meter-for 0-60 1/4 mile etc,but I didn't test the stock tires,so too late now)
6)CR says they have well above average rolling resistance;this should decrease mpg-mpg's are very close to my heart.Our MPG home was 22.8 over 1600 miles at about 71 mph.We got 24 mpg driving from DFW-Flagstaff 965 miles with the Bridgestones.We were driving a lot slower,so who knows.We also averaged 23.05 mpg Flag-NO on 6-10-05-We had a rear bike carrier that increased drag,but we were driving more slowly.
Bottom line,I don't know if they decreased mpg,but if they did,it was on the order of 1 or so mpg.
CR rates these tires much better than all the Michelins.I have always been satisfied with Michelins-on a number of different vehicles over the years,but CR actually tests tires,I don't.They cost $575 out the dor with all the BS charges-Sears.The 245/70's would have been maybe $40 less.
Well,that is it.Thanks.Charlie-PS any of the Michelins would have been at least $100 more.
PPS the correction factor is 1.05 to get true mpg and true miles. |
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| rocky |
| Glad to hear you made it home. How is hom elooking to you and your family? |
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| dgipalo |
I put on Hankook RH03 245-70's at 30K, with the OEM Bridgestone's ~ 1mm above wear bars; didn't want to chance the shallow tread depth with FL rainy season; Anjin-san was feeling a bit 'light' in any significant rain.
So far, the results have been pretty much by CR ratings. Wet and dry grip are better than the OEM Bridgestones, uncorrected 'normal driving' fuel consumption is 1.2 MPG lower. Noise is a wash; different, but overall not better or worse. Some road surfaces are notably better, others worse. Ride is not noticeably worse, and the steering feels a tiny bit more responsive. The tire had raised white letters, which I had installed inboard to keep OEM black-wall look.
Overall, reasonably satisfied; the price was a few bucks less than the OEM tire locally, with comparable warranty. The tires in the class ahead of the Hankook in overall ratings were quite a bit more. The only other tires I really considered were the GY Fortera, and Bridgestone Allenza. The GY was 140 installed/balanced, vs 80 for the Hankooks; the price wasn't worth it to me. For those in the snow belt, the GY's better snow/ice performance may be worth the extra $$$ in cost and gas mileage (the GY's ere considerably worse in rolling resistance, considerably better in ice/snow, and 50% more expensive.... |
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| charlie |
| Rocky,thanks for asking.Our house is just fine;few shingles missing,backyard full of heavy branches,funky fridge,but otherwise OK.We were-are-so lucky,I'm embarrassed.I managed to break a new chainsaw yesterday-in just 10 minutes!.It threw it's chain,and now there are some tight links,so it needs a new chain-back to home depot.Thanks.Charlie |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Rocky,thanks for asking.Our house is just fine;few shingles missing,backyard full of heavy branches,funky fridge,but otherwise OK.We were-are-so lucky,I'm embarrassed.I managed to break a new chainsaw yesterday-in just 10 minutes!.It threw it's chain,and now there are some tight links,so it needs a new chain-back to home depot.Thanks.Charlie
Glad to see you're back home and got through it okay. |
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| bsmokler |
We have a set of Assurance TripleTreds on our Subaru Outback LLBean Wagon. The same technology has been applied to the Fortera (due to very heavy customer demand by SUV drivers for a TripleTred generation tire for larger, heavier vehicles). As soon as our OEM Goodyears are close to replacement time, I plan on putting the Fortera TripleTreds on our 2004 EX-L.
I don't think I've ever been as pleased with a tire as we've been with the TripleTreds. They are simply outstanding. Their wet weather performance is SO much better than the original Bridgestones I can't even think of an adjective to compare the two. The tire buying consumer must agree, reports state that the TripleTred has been Goodyear's most successful tire introduction in their history.
Seriously worth a look.
The Assurance TripleTred was just top rated by Consumers in their latest tire rating.
P.S. I don't work for Goodyear, honestly! |
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| tangotango99 |
| Just had the Yokohama Geolander installed on my Pilot.I have driven 210 miles on it so far and I am happy with it,ride is a little harsher than the OEM |
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| sblvro |
| :rolleyes: I cannot believe I will be looking/finding this thread again. After 66,000 miles my GY Integrity needs an upgrade. After searching almost all pages of this board which tire is better for the pilot, I have decided on one, Michelin LTX M/S. True there are other all season tires out there with good value and price but overall performance, the LTX M/S is a better value for our pilot. Little Rock doesn't see much snow but when it does, it doesn't get plowed nor salted. To make matters worse, it is also hilly and where I live it is important. Pirelli STR/A, Bridgestone Dueler Alenza, Yoko Geolander HT051, Michelin Crossterrains were all considered. My friend in NY/NJ drives full tilt and he likes his LTX M/S better than his Continentals, too. It is available also in our area which is a good thing for roadhazard warranty:4: |
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| tangotango99 |
| Yoko Geolander HT051 is a very good tire I have driven 860 miles on it and so far I like it.My YOKO have passed the rain test and now I am waiting for a snow test,my only down side is u can not find it locally for warranty coverage u have to wait a few days:( for warranty delivery. |
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| sblvro |
| :rolleyes: Tirerack might take time to deliver, in the meantime I went to the local Firestone/Bridgestone shop. Guess what, I just found the best rated tire for the pilot. After I searched(again), some owners have actually used this tire in theirs-Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo. It has an aggressive thread which is nice and so far the best rating from tireracks costumers. Hmmmm. they are even giving me a hugh discount/pricematching the internet seller tirerack. Will decide in the few days.:4: |
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| borg |
| FYI, for those considering the highly rated Forteras. There are 3 types, all good tires but only the Triple Tred has the rating/symbol of mountain/snowflake. |
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| jjmhawk |
quote:
Originally posted by borg
FYI, for those considering the highly rated Forteras. There are 3 types, all good tires but only the Triple Tred has the rating/symbol of mountain/snowflake.
The Triple Tred seems to have better dry, wet and snow traction compared to the Silent Armor, but the Silent Armor is a little more quiet which would help road noise. Decisions, decision but I think I would go with the better traction of the Triple Tred. I doubt the noise level is much different. I would dump my set of Integrity's right now, but I cannot bring myself to do it until the tread is worn. :8: |
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| rocky |
Notice how low max tire pressure on the Fortera triple tread is just 35psi.
Unsure thats enough room for error |
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| Sportymonk |
quote:
Originally posted by jjmhawk
The Triple Tred seems to have better dry, wet and snow traction compared to the Silent Armor, but the Silent Armor is a little more quiet which would help road noise. Decisions, decision but I think I would go with the better traction of the Triple Tred. I doubt the noise level is much different. I would dump my set of Integrity's right now, but I cannot bring myself to do it until the tread is worn. :8:
Where did you get the info on traction? I looked at Tire Rack but their comparison chart only has N/A for virtually all categories. |
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| borg |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Where did you get the info on traction? I looked at Tire Rack but their comparison chart only has N/A for virtually all categories.
Triple Tred vs Silent Armor |
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| jjmhawk |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Where did you get the info on traction? I looked at Tire Rack but their comparison chart only has N/A for virtually all categories.
Straight from Goodyear's website which is probably not the best for comparison, but a start considering the lack of data. |
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| Sportymonk |
quote:
Originally posted by borg
Triple Tred vs Silent Armor
I noticed that to get the Integrities to show up I had to click on car / Minivan and to get the Forteras to show up I had to change the catagory to SUV
Integrities...........Triple Treads....Silent Armor
Dry Traction = 7 ............= 10...........= 8
Wet Traction = 6............. = 10..........= 8
Sno traction = 7..............= 10..........= 7
Ride Comfort = 8.............= 5...........= 5
Quiet Ride = 8...............= 8...........= 10
(Boy, getting column data in is tuff! Tried spaces but they came out merged together. Tried tabs with same results. Finally had to use periods.) |
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| jjmhawk |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
Notice how low max tire pressure on the Fortera triple tread is just 35psi.
Unsure thats enough room for error
The Integrity has the same max tire pressure (1,984 @ 35) as the TripleTred, so not sure I understand your point. :confused: |
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| sjlee |
Although new tires are a few years off, here are ones that I'd consider:
Kumho Venture HT
Firestone Firehawk Indy 500
Firestone Destination LE
Yokohama Geolander
All four received excellent reviews on TireRack and are priced fairly well. I have a set of the Firehawks on my current car, and I'm fairly happy with their performance in all conditions. They seem to be a bit soft for a sporty car, but I'm sure they would be fine on an SUV. |
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| sblvro |
| :) decided to buy the bridgestone dueler A/T Revo and looking at the numbers: Dry traction=9.4; Wet Traction=9.2; Hydroplaning resistance=9.1; Snow Traction=9.0; Cornering stability=8.8; Steering response=8.8; ride comfort=8.8; Noise comfort=8.6 and threadwear=8.6, I think it is the best all around tire for the pilot. Its aggressive thread design is also a plus. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by sblvro
:) decided to buy the bridgestone dueler A/T Revo and looking at the numbers: Dry traction=9.4; Wet Traction=9.2; Hydroplaning resistance=9.1; Snow Traction=9.0; Cornering stability=8.8; Steering response=8.8; ride comfort=8.8; Noise comfort=8.6 and threadwear=8.6, I think it is the best all around tire for the pilot. Its aggressive thread design is also a plus.
My only concern with those tires are that they are considered "off-road" tires, so I'm thinking that they will wear out quicker, be noisier and have more rolling resistance (worse MPG). I'm also guessing that they'll give a bit harsher ride as well. |
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| Pairallel |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
My only concern with those tires are that they are considered "off-road" tires, so I'm thinking that they will wear out quicker, be noisier and have more rolling resistance (worse MPG). I'm also guessing that they'll give a bit harsher ride as well.
I agree; it is important to be clear whether you see your Pilot as an SUV/truck with a nice ride, or as a comfortable family car with SUV capabilities.
For those closet "truckers" and "SUV off-roaders", an aggressive A/T tire might make sense. For the converted minivan drivers, a more car-like ride on a Fortera or Cross-Terrain would probably be the better choice.;) |
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| sblvro |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
My only concern with those tires are that they are considered "off-road" tires, so I'm thinking that they will wear out quicker, be noisier and have more rolling resistance (worse MPG). I'm also guessing that they'll give a bit harsher ride as well.
If you look at the UTQG values, the A/T Revo is rated 500 vs the 400 of either the cross terrain and LTX M/S. In terms of rolling resistance, short of doing a scientific comparison, I chose the bigger size hoping to have less tire revolutions per mile. In stop and go driving, It might not make a difference but once rolling, I think it will have improved gas mileage. True they are considered "off road" tires but it has deep sipes for improved traction in wet and snow. Dry handling is also very comparable to the michelins which are btw "truck tires." The ride is not harsh at all. With so much tire wall flex, it drives like a LX470-really! If you don't want to show the white side walls, the black side wall just looks like a regular tire. In fact, I saw these exact tires in a Tahoe, Suburban and an Expedition already:4: |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by sblvro
If you look at the UTQG values, the A/T Revo is rated 500 vs the 400 of either the cross terrain and LTX M/S. In terms of rolling resistance, short of doing a scientific comparison, I chose the bigger size hoping to have less tire revolutions per mile. In stop and go driving, It might not make a difference but once rolling, I think it will have improved gas mileage. True they are considered "off road" tires but it has deep sipes for improved traction in wet and snow. Dry handling is also very comparable to the michelins which are btw "truck tires." The ride is not harsh at all. With so much tire wall flex, it drives like a LX470-really! If you don't want to show the white side walls, the black side wall just looks like a regular tire. In fact, I saw these exact tires in a Tahoe, Suburban and an Expedition already:4:
Unfortunately, the UTQG rating isn't very accurate...
"The treadwear grade is a comparative rating based on the wear rate of the tire when tested under controlled conditions on a specified government test course. For example, a tire graded 150 would wear one and a half times as well on the government course as a tire graded 100. The relative performance of tires depends upon the actual conditions of their use, however, and may depart significantly from the norm due to variations in driving habits, service practices, and differences in road characteristics and climate."
I'm sure they'll be great in the snow thanks to the off-road tread. Also, the bigger tires (wider) will actually get you lower MPG. Rolling resistance has more to do with the design of the tire than its size. For instance, a snow tire will have less rolling resistance than a summer tire.
Keep us up-to-date with how the tires work out for you. I know we're all looking for better tires for the Pilot (of course, just about anything seems to be better than the OEM Goodyears). |
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| sblvro |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
"Unfortunately, the UTQG rating isn't very accurate... "
true, but this is one form of comparing threadwear
"I'm sure they'll be great in the snow thanks to the off-road tread."
That's what I want, because I live in a hilly terrain.
"Also, the bigger tires (wider) will actually get you lower MPG. Rolling resistance has more to do with the design of the tire than its size."
It is not just wider but bigger diameter tire, 721 rev of tire mile(oem size and michelins) vs 709 of A/T revo
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
I noticed that to get the Integrities to show up I had to click on car / Minivan and to get the Forteras to show up I had to change the catagory to SUV
Integrities...........Triple Treads....Silent Armor
Dry Traction . = 7 ............= 10...........= 8
Wet Traction = 6............. = 10..........= 8
Sno traction . = 7..............= 10..........= 7
Ride Comfort = 8...............= 5...........= 5
Quiet Ride ... = 8...............= 8...........= 10
(Boy, getting column data in is tuff! Tried spaces but they came out merged together. Tried tabs with same results. Finally had to use periods.)
But it's very helpful for comparison with our crappy OEMs! Thanks & Happy Thanksgiving! |
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| weigesco |
| I'm with the guy on the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo tires, but then I also put 265/75 Super Swamper TRXUS radials on my 97 F150. I would never need Swampers on the Pilot but I already could have used a more aggressive tire on it. |
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| surferbum |
Just had 4 Michelin Cross Terrain's put on my Pilot. Out the door cost of $642 (incl. mount & spin balancing, old tire disposal fee, tax, new value stems) at America's Tire.
I like these guys because of good business acumen. They will rotate your tires for free even if you had purchased them from somewhere else (no hassle). They also had the lowest price (but other would price match w/ a written quote). America's Tire store also price matches and they call up the other store themselves (no written quote hassle). |
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| uunetbill |
Hey! I just wondered if you had to haggle for that price or if that's what you got quoted - I just checked the Discount Tire/America's Tire website, and for the Cross Terrains the total price showed as $749.66 in Colorado. . .wonder where the extra $100 is going?? If I could get a set for $642, I'd install 'em tonight. . .
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Originally posted by surferbum
Just had 4 Michelin Cross Terrain's put on my Pilot. Out the door cost of $642 (incl. mount & spin balancing, old tire disposal fee, tax, new value stems) at America's Tire.
I like these guys because of good business acumen. They will rotate your tires for free even if you had purchased them from somewhere else (no hassle). They also had the lowest price (but other would price match w/ a written quote). America's Tire store also price matches and they call up the other store themselves (no written quote hassle).
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| alexct |
| I just installed a set Michelin CT's on my Pilot this Sunday. I purchased them from Costco in June (they had a sale going) for $479.15. They charged me $46.64 for the installation. So I got them for a total of $525.72. |
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| ramirami |
| Drove with my new CTs in the snow last week...WOW what a difference!!! :4: |
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| sjlee |
| We had a few inches of snow a few days ago and while many people were having traction issues (a few spin-outs), I didn't have any problems with the Integrity tires. Of course, I only have about 2100 miles on them, so they are fairly new, but I didn't have the problems that some people here have posted about. |
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| alexct |
I started with my Integrity's (51700) miles on them on Sunday morning slipping and sliding in the fresh Connecticut snow. Went to Costco had them install the new CT's and it was a world of difference.
I was happy with the life I got out of the Goodyear's. |
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| Pilot-Matt |
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Originally posted by alexct
I just installed a set Michelin CT's on my Pilot this Sunday. I purchased them from Costco in June (they had a sale going) for $479.15. They charged me $46.64 for the installation. So I got them for a total of $525.72.
Are you using your M CT's as a winter tire or did you just wait until now to install them? |
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| alexct |
| I was just trying to get all I could out of the OEM tires. My goal was to make it to 55,000 miles on the original tires but the snow came and changed my plans. |
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| mr2gator |
| Firestone Destination AT's - I hope - will now in a couple days when they come in. |
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| grumpy |
| On the Michelon web page they list four Cross Terrain tires, all the same size needed for the Pilot. Two are raised white letter, two blackwall. The traction rating, treadwear rating and mileage rating are identical. I'm interested in the blackwall. What is the difference between the two blackwall Cross Terrains? They seem to be identical. thanks |
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| foxhallow |
You can't beat Costco Wholesale for tires! When my '03 Pilot had 25K miles, a screw damaged the side wall in one of my OEM Goodyear tires. I decided to replace the whole set with Michelin Cross Terrain tires. It cost me about $550 - the best price I could find at the time.
Yesterday, with about 75K miles and plenty of tread life left, another screw punctured a sidewall (I seem to have bad luck with sidewall punctures). I went into Costco this morning with 50K miles on my tires, and I left with a whole new set of four Cross Terrain's for $260.
They said the tire could not be repaired, and that 4WD vehicles need matching tread. The road hazard warranty you get free at Costco allowed them to pro-rate the value of the remaining tread life and credit me the difference. Also, the cost per tire was lower than it was a couple of years ago for the same tire. I couldn't be happier going into winter in a few months. I like the handling and noise level with the Michelin's and I highly recommend Costco. |
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| Poki |
| I just got these Yokohama Geolander HT-S's a few weeks ago. Handle great so far. Tire Rack has them top rated. |
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| mgorbsk |
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Originally posted by foxhallow
You can't beat Costco Wholesale for tires! When my '03 Pilot had 25K miles, a screw damaged the side wall in one of my OEM Goodyear tires. I decided to replace the whole set with Michelin Cross Terrain tires. It cost me about $550 - the best price I could find at the time.
Yesterday, with about 75K miles and plenty of tread life left, another screw punctured a sidewall (I seem to have bad luck with sidewall punctures). I went into Costco this morning with 50K miles on my tires, and I left with a whole new set of four Cross Terrain's for $260.
They said the tire could not be repaired, and that 4WD vehicles need matching tread. The road hazard warranty you get free at Costco allowed them to pro-rate the value of the remaining tread life and credit me the difference. Also, the cost per tire was lower than it was a couple of years ago for the same tire. I couldn't be happier going into winter in a few months. I like the handling and noise level with the Michelin's and I highly recommend Costco.
Thanks a bunch for your testament. You just solidified a tire decision for me. I was going to put on Forteras or CTs this fall for Winter, and now I will drive all the way to Fredrick, MD, the only Costco in the area, to have them do the CTs. Thanks!!!! |
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| Sunday Rider |
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Originally posted by foxhallow
You can't beat Costco Wholesale for tires! When my '03 Pilot had 25K miles, a screw damaged the side wall in one of my OEM Goodyear tires. I decided to replace the whole set with Michelin Cross Terrain tires. It cost me about $550 - the best price I could find at the time.
Yesterday, with about 75K miles and plenty of tread life left, another screw punctured a sidewall (I seem to have bad luck with sidewall punctures). I went into Costco this morning with 50K miles on my tires, and I left with a whole new set of four Cross Terrain's for $260.
They said the tire could not be repaired, and that 4WD vehicles need matching tread. The road hazard warranty you get free at Costco allowed them to pro-rate the value of the remaining tread life and credit me the difference. Also, the cost per tire was lower than it was a couple of years ago for the same tire. I couldn't be happier going into winter in a few months. I like the handling and noise level with the Michelin's and I highly recommend Costco.
Wow you get the best deals south of the border. At my local costco it is $800 plus 14% tax out the door. Canadian dollars so approx. 13% discount in US terms. |
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| grumpy |
No one answered my question concerning the difference between identical Michelon Cross Train tires I found on their web page.
I finally called the Michelon 800 number. The women I spoke with claims that last Fall the cross terrains came out with a redesigned tread. One number on the web page was for the earlier tread, the other for the newest.
Now my question is: is the new design better than the original? Everyone seemed to rave about the tire but I'm guessing that was the original tread.
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| andyschneider |
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Originally posted by grumpy
No one answered my question concerning the difference between identical Michelon Cross Train tires I found on their web page.
I finally called the Michelon 800 number. The women I spoke with claims that last Fall the cross terrains came out with a redesigned tread. One number on the web page was for the earlier tread, the other for the newest.
Now my question is: is the new design better than the original? Everyone seemed to rave about the tire but I'm guessing that was the original tread.
Any help would be appreciated.
I'd have to see a photo of the new design. The problem I always had with the older style CT tread was that the outer tread rows were closed, meaning that it didn't have the biting power of a tire with an open outer tread, like the Michelin LTX M/S. If they opened the outer row of tread, then it'd be an improvement.
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| yosemitesamiam |
Oh no...the dreaded tire thread...lol.
How about some BFG AT (All-Terrain) T/A's? Seem to be the industry standard in All Weather use. $133 each in stock size at onlinetires.com |
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| CarolinaPilot |
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Originally posted by yosemitesamiam
Oh no...the dreaded tire thread...lol.
How about some BFG AT (All-Terrain) T/A's? Seem to be the industry standard in All Weather use. $133 each in stock size at onlinetires.com
BFG's are a good tire and if memory serves me correctly they are subsidiary of Michelin. However for a Pilot application their rolling resistance could be be much higher than the other tires mentioned and I don't think they would make the pilot handle as well either. Now with said, if the pilot was used in a lot of off-road conditions, I don't think you could find a better tire for the money than BFG. A lot of Jeepers swear by this tire brand. |
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| yosemitesamiam |
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Originally posted by CarolinaPilot
BFG's are a good tire and if memory serves me correctly they are subsidiary of Michelin. However for a Pilot application their rolling resistance could be be much higher than the other tires mentioned and I don't think they would make the pilot handle as well either. Now with said, if the pilot was used in a lot of off-road conditions, I don't think you could find a better tire for the money than BFG. A lot of Jeepers swear by this tire brand.
Interesting...and totally understood...the tires I mention are probably way more capable than the vehicle in off roadability.
I have been reading the past few hours and see a lot of you guys running the Michelin X-terrains...you as well. Would you do it again? Are they happy in snow, mud and ice just as much as the highway?
I don't want to make a mistake and kill my gas mileage either...
Thanks again
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| 2ndhonda |
I just switched over to the Michelin LTX M/S two months ago. I love them so far. I have not noticed a difference in gas milage. The ride is not any quiter, but turn in is a lot better. It holds the turn alot better than the GY.
Winter and snow is yet to be told. I am just north of you in Denver, and spend alot of time in the mountains in the winter. I will post once we get some good snow this winter.
I think they have a discount tire in CS. They are the best in my opionion. They will also price match anyone, and their are alot more stores than Costco, which is all about convienience. |
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| Pairallel |
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Originally posted by yosemitesamiam
Michelin X-terrains...you as well. Would you do it again? Are they happy in snow, mud and ice just as much as the highway?
I had the C/T's, and i didn't do it again. Although they were vastly superior to the Integritys, with no effect on mileage, they did seem to wear a little faster than I would have liked. After 3 flats and 30k miles, i decided I didn't want to keep them with all those patches in them and i upgraded to the Forteras. Wow! What a difference!
These tires have unbelievable traction and ride quality. The road noise is maybe 5% more, and I think my mileage may have dropped about 5% (1 mpg), but i am 100% happy with these tires.
Last winter, in a blinding snowstorm, I passed a snowplow stuck on a hiway ramp, and drove another 50 miles without a slip. |
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| yosemitesamiam |
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Originally posted by 2ndhonda
I just switched over to the Michelin LTX M/S two months ago. I love them so far. I have not noticed a difference in gas milage. The ride is not any quiter, but turn in is a lot better. It holds the turn alot better than the GY.
Winter and snow is yet to be told. I am just north of you in Denver, and spend alot of time in the mountains in the winter. I will post once we get some good snow this winter.
I think they have a discount tire in CS. They are the best in my opionion. They will also price match anyone, and their are alot more stores than Costco, which is all about convienience.
Hopefully I can try and work a trade with Discount Tire. That would be sweet...after much searching last night, I am kind of leaning toward the Bridgestone Revo's... |
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| yosemitesamiam |
quote:
Originally posted by 2ndhonda
I just switched over to the Michelin LTX M/S two months ago. I love them so far. I have not noticed a difference in gas milage. The ride is not any quiter, but turn in is a lot better. It holds the turn alot better than the GY.
Winter and snow is yet to be told. I am just north of you in Denver, and spend alot of time in the mountains in the winter. I will post once we get some good snow this winter.
I think they have a discount tire in CS. They are the best in my opionion. They will also price match anyone, and their are alot more stores than Costco, which is all about convienience.
Hopefully I can try and work a trade with Discount Tire. That would be sweet...after much searching last night, I am kind of leaning toward the Bridgestone Revo's... |
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| ThePilotster |
Wanted toyo proxy's. they look great and perform better! Down side for me was 20K expected life, and no can do any snow.
Just picked up a set of Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus tires from Discount tire (tire.com) and they were 80 bucks cheaper than Costco, then they took another 40 off to meet tire rack.
Choose this tire as I needed a 255/55/18 and this was the only one I can find that was closest rated, diameter, weight and capacity to the oem, and is good all year round tire.
http://www.michelinman.com/overview...v4_plus/95.html |
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| yosemitesamiam |
quote:
Originally posted by Pairallel
Last winter, in a blinding snowstorm, I passed a snowplow stuck on a hiway ramp, and drove another 50 miles without a slip.
HAHA! Nice!!! |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by ThePilotster
Wanted toyo proxy's. they look great and perform better! Down side for me was 20K expected life, and no can do any snow.
Just picked up a set of Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus tires from Discount tire (tire.com) and they were 80 bucks cheaper than Costco, then they took another 40 off to meet tire rack.
Choose this tire as I needed a 255/55/18 and this was the only one I can find that was closest rated, diameter, weight and capacity to the oem, and is good all year round tire.
http://www.michelinman.com/overview...v4_plus/95.html
Good luck with those tires... many Acura owners complain about them (they are OEM on many Acuras) and are pretty poorly rated...
TireRack Survey |
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| sblvro |
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Originally posted by yosemitesamiam
...after much searching last night, I am kind of leaning toward the Bridgestone Revo's...
you will not be disappointed! after 20k miles, it hardly scratched the thread surface of my Duelers A/T Revo and the grip in snow, rain and dry is phenomenal. tire noise is loud up to 40mph, after that, you can barely hear it:4: |
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| yosemitesamiam |
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Originally posted by sblvro
you will not be disappointed! after 20k miles, it hardly scratched the thread surface of my Duelers A/T Revo and the grip in snow, rain and dry is phenomenal. tire noise is loud up to 40mph, after that, you can barely hear it:4:
Awesome! They sound like great Colorado tires! |
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| kriskane |
I've got the duelers on my '04 now, were on it when I purchased it. I don't have a lot of experience in this area, but they seem a little loud at highway speeds and they're probably a little more tire than I need (considering most of my driving is city/highway in Northern Virginia/Maryland and we don't get all that much snow here).
One of the big reasons for getting the pilot was being able to get out and go wherever we needed to whatever the condition, so when it's time to replace these I'll go for something that's got decent "bad weather" ratings, but I might opt for something that's got a bit of a quieter ride rep. |
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| sblvro |
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Originally posted by kriskane
I've got the duelers on my '04 now, were on it when I purchased it. I don't have a lot of experience in this area, but they seem a little loud at highway speeds and they're probably a little more tire than I need (considering most of my driving is city/highway in Northern Virginia/Maryland and we don't get all that much snow here).
One of the big reasons for getting the pilot was being able to get out and go wherever we needed to whatever the condition, so when it's time to replace these I'll go for something that's got decent "bad weather" ratings, but I might opt for something that's got a bit of a quieter ride rep.
are these the revo's? because mine are loud but up to 40 mph, after that, it is hardly noticeable. |
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| uffda |
| I purchased the Goodyear Fortera triple tread and have experenced a drop in gas mileage. everything else about them is great |
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| enzie54 |
| Just voted other...Firestone Destination LE's. If you're even remotely interested on why I voted for the firestones, search and read the thread I started on these tires. |
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| coolcat |
The '03 Pilot EX I bought two weeks ago has 93k miles on it and what appears to be the original set of Goodyear Integritys. I had a scare with them a few days ago and I'm looking for new tires.
I voted "other" because right now I'm leaning heavily toward the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos. I was also considering the Fortera Triple Treds and the Michelin LTX M/S (which are on my Ridgline).
I brought all 3 up in a comparison on tirerack.com and showed them to my wife, going over the ratings on each and comparing them. The Pilot is primarily her vehicle so she gets a vote in which tires I buy. She picked the Revos based on their ratings as well as their tread looks, which I must say I like a lot too.
I really like the BFG AT T/A KOs I had on my CR-V, but it looks like the size for the Pilot isn't rated with the same carrying capacity as the OEM tires. I was also shocked to see that the ratings on the KOs has dropped and the Revos are now rated higher on tirerack.com.
I'm price shopping now, hopefully I'll have a new set of Revos before the end of the week. |
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| robrecht |
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Originally posted by coolcat
The '03 Pilot EX I bought two weeks ago has 93k miles on it and what appears to be the original set of Goodyear Integritys. I had a scare with them a few days ago and I'm looking for new tires.
I voted "other" because right now I'm leaning heavily toward the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos. I was also considering the Fortera Triple Treds and the Michelin LTX M/S (which are on my Ridgline).
I brought all 3 up in a comparison on tirerack.com and showed them to my wife, going over the ratings on each and comparing them. The Pilot is primarily her vehicle so she gets a vote in which tires I buy. She picked the Revos based on their ratings as well as their tread looks, which I must say I like a lot too.
I really like the BFG AT T/A KOs I had on my CR-V, but it looks like the size for the Pilot isn't rated with the same carrying capacity as the OEM tires. I was also shocked to see that the ratings on the KOs has dropped and the Revos are now rated higher on tirerack.com.
I'm price shopping now, hopefully I'll have a new set of Revos before the end of the week.
93k Holy Cow!
Tire Rack comparative test results are very interesting, but I wouldn't put too much stock in their owner survey ratings. The Dunlop Winter Sport snow tires I bought for my Miata are specifically designed for good dry and wet traction but only minimal snow traction (since it hardly ever snow here in New Jersey anymore). But according to the owner surveys at Tire Rack, they are considered to be the 2nd best tire in snow traction that tirerack has ever sold. |
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| Sportymonk |
I've looked at the Revo's also but I don't see how an AT tire is quieter than the Alanza's. I wonder if the ratings are for that type of tire and not an across the board value for any tire.
The Firestone Destination LEs sound interesting also. Enzie54 just started a thread about them in the last week)
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/sh...0019#post270019 |
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| Sportymonk |
A round for Enzie54 at the HP bar, he obviously used the search engine and pulled up an 8 month old thread instead of creating a new one! :eek: And he told people to use the search to find his other post!
WOW, maybe this search thingy will catch on.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by enzie54
Just voted other...Firestone Destination LE's. If you're even remotely interested on why I voted for the Firestone's, search and read the thread I started on these tires.
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| enzie54 |
| I use it all of the time...it saves so much time having to come back and check if anyone wrote back!! If I can't find the answer to my question, then I'll start a new thread. |
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