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Welcome to the new Formula 1 thread. The purpose of this thread is mainly to track the BAR-Honda F1 team and also the other teams performance and results.
2005 Formula 1 Race # 1 - Australian Grand Prix Melbourne - Albert Park Race Track
Here's the first qualification results. There's a new rule this season, there will be two qualification runs, one on Saturday and one on Sunday race day. The starting grid will be the average of the two qualification results.
Saturday Qualification 1 of 2 Results:
Pos.
1 Giancarlo Fisichella (11) - Renault
2 Jarno Trulli (6) - Toyota
3 Mark Webber (13) - Williams-BMW
4 Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber-Petronas
5 Christian Klein (16) - Red Bull Racing
6 David Coulthard (10) - Red Bull Racing
7 Nick Heidfeld (18) - Williams-BMW
8 Jenson Button (3) - BAR-Honda
9 Narain Karthikeyan* - Jordan-Toyota
10 Kimi Raikkonen (7) - McLaren-Mercedes
11 Juan Pablo Montoya (5) - McLaren-Mercedes
12 Rubens Barrichello (2) - Ferrari
13 Tiago Monteiro* - Jordan-Toyota
14 Fernando Alonso (4) - Renault
15 Christijan Albers* - Minardi-Cosworth
16 Patrick Friesacher* - Minardi-Cosworth
17 Ralf Schumacher (9) - Toyota
18 Michael Schumacher (1) - Ferrari
19 Felipe Massa (12) - Sauber-Petronas (did not qualify due to heavy rain)
20 Takuma Sato (8) - BAR-Honda (did not qualify due to crash)
* Rookie driver
(X) Last year's drivers rank
Notes:
Most of the qualifying drivers at the bottom of the list were affected by heavy rainfall. Takuma Sato's BAR-Honda crashed, OMG. :eek:
Ferrari and Minardi are the only teams running their last year's car with the new 2005 regulation changes. Ferrari will race their 2005 car in the 5th race at Barcelona, Spain.
I hope the Honda team does better in the final qualification on Sunday.
Cheers. :7:
Stay tuned race fans for the Sunday final qualification and the first race of the new season after that. |
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Sunday Qualification 2 of 2 Results:
Pos.
1 Giancarlo Fisichella (11) - Renault
2 Jarno Trulli (6) - Toyota
3 Mark Webber (13) - Williams-BMW
4 Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber-Petronas
5 David Coulthard (10) - Red Bull Racing
6 Christian Klein (16) - Red Bull Racing
7 Nick Heidfeld (18) - Williams-BMW
8 Jenson Button (3) - BAR-Honda
9 Juan Pablo Montoya (5) - McLaren-Mercedes
10 Kimi Raikkonen (7) - McLaren-Mercedes
11 Rubens Barrichello (2) - Ferrari
12 Narain Karthikeyan* - Jordan-Toyota
13 Fernando Alonso (4) - Renault
14 Tiago Monteiro* - Jordan-Toyota
15 Ralf Schumacher (9) - Toyota
16 Patrick Friesacher* - Minardi-Cosworth
17 Christijan Albers* - Minardi-Cosworth
18 Michael Schumacher (1) - Ferrari
19 Takuma Sato (8) - BAR-Honda (did not qualify due to crash in Q1 Saturday)
20 Felipe Massa (12) - Sauber-Petronas (did not qualify due to heavy rain in Q1 Saturday)
The first race of the 2005 Formula One season in Australia is going on as of now! I wish all the teams good luck.
The Official Formula 1 website |
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Sunday Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix Race Provisional Results:
Pos.
1 Giancarlo Fisichella (11) - Renault Winner
2 Rubens Barrichello (2) - Ferrari +5.5 secs
3 Fernando Alonso (4) - Renault +6.7 secs
4 David Coulthard (10) - Red Bull Racing +16.1 secs
5 Mark Webber (13) - Williams-BMW +16.9 secs
6 Juan Pablo Montoya (5) - McLaren-Mercedes +35.0 secs
7 Christian Klein (16) - Red Bull Racing +38.9 secs
8 Kimi Raikkonen (7) - McLaren-Mercedes +39.6 secs
Points are awarded for the teams in the first 8 places only.
9 Jarno Trulli (6) - Toyota +63.1 secs
10 Felipe Massa (12) - Sauber-Petronas +64.3 secs
11 Jenson Button (3) - BAR-Honda (PITTED BEFORE FINISH) +1 Lap
12 Ralf Schumacher (9) - Toyota +1 Lap
13 Jacques Villeneuve - Sauber-Petronas +1 Lap
14 Takuma Sato (8) - BAR-Honda (PITTED BEFORE FINISH) +2 Laps
15 Narain Karthikeyan* - Jordan-Toyota +2 Laps
16 Tiago Monteiro* - Jordan-Toyota +2 Laps
17 Patrick Friesacher* - Minardi-Cosworth +4 Laps
Ret Michael Schumacher (1) - Ferrari (crashed with Heidfeld) +15 Laps
Ret Nick Heidfeld (18) - Williams-BMW (crashed with Schumacher) +15 Laps
Ret Christijan Albers* - Minardi-Cosworth (retired Lap 26) +41 Laps
Comments: Since the BAR-Honda team didn't officially finished the race they are allowed to change to new engines without penalty for the next race.
Join us again for the Sepang Malaysian race in two week's time on March 20th.
I will update the race results as soon as the race positions are finalized. |
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| borg |
A disappointing start to the season for BAR Honda, hopefully they do better in the next few races. With JB starting in 8th place I thought he might move up to top five, maybe next time.
Surprise of the race was the 2 Red Bull cars finishing in point positions, what a turnaround from last years Jag team.
What was not a surprise to me was Team Renault, they always had fast cars......with Ferrari running last years cars, I thought Renault might have a slight advantage at start of the season & it showed in the first race.
It's also great to see Villeneuve back in the game, I'd like to see him get some points but hopefully not at the expense of either JB or Sato. |
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| desertpilot |
It's kind of sad to see the BAR-Honda team failed to compete with the auto manufacturers backed teams. Toyota aren't so hot either, they even manage to beat Honda a little. With the rules loophole that a team could pit before the race is over would allow BAR-Honda to install a new engines for the next Malaysian Grand Prix. This would be an advantage for Honda because of the hotter weather in Malaysia and the rest of the teams had to use their engines for the mandatory second time in a race. I hope they fix their problems and they need to greatly improve big time.
Renault's good performance didn't really surprise me because I was monitoring all the teams winter testing. Renault had the fastest times during the winter testing, next were McLaren-Mercedes, Williams-BMW and even Red Bull Racing were fast also. Toyota were fast but it could not last long in the race and even in winter testing. Ferrari was only average during the winter testing but they surprised me with a second place win for a modified 2004 car. I thought McLaren-Mercedes would be strong this first race but they were slightly off pace. Kimi went off road a little and damaged something in the bottom of his car.
Red Bull Team did a great job for their first race. The other independent teams didn't do so well. As for the other independent teams, Sauber were fast during winter testing but it surprised me during the race that both drivers didn't show good performance specially near the end of the race. They were even beaten by their actual rival team Toyota.
Jacques Villeneuve big trouble started at the beggining of the race, he was forced to lose position by another driver Nick Heidfeld of Williams-BMW. After that he kept getting slower and finished 12th. Team member Filipe Massa only got 10th place. Sauber is dealing with BMW to be their next engine supplier but the team needs support from a major car manufacturer to be competitive.
In the tire wars, Bridgestone is not out yet. They showed that they could still compete with Michelin, they got 2nd place with Barrichello's Ferrari.
The next race would be interesting in two weeks from now in Malaysia on March 20th. |
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| dgoldbe2 |
I was surprised as well, based on last seasons performance of BAR that they were so far out of the running.
The odd thing about Sauber is that they are using the 2005 spec Ferrari engines, where Ferrari were using the 2004 spec modified.
Red Bull was the biggest surprise. They are using an updated Jaguar R5 chassis, which was a very poor performer last year, and an updated Cosworth engine that Jordan used last year, which was basically a poor performer last year as well. And despite the rules changes, they were able to increase the RPMs and gain HP while trying to build in the 2 race weekend reliability.
With all the money that Toyota and Honda are spending, I would have expected them to be higher in the final results.
The nice thing is that there was only one mechanical retirement, Albers with a failed gearbox. The other 2 retirements, Heidfeld and Schumacher, IMHO was Schumacher's fault. To top it off, eventhough Heidfeld was out from damage, Schumacher's car could have finished the race. Ferrari exploited that loophole, so they could put a new engine in his car.
All in all, it was a refreshing change from the all Ferrari, all the time spectacle of last season.
As far as the tires go, Bridgestone will probably not be able to keep up with Michelin, throughout the season, due to their exclusive testing agreement with Ferrari. Michelin gets nearly 5 times the performance data that Bridgestone gets, despite Ferrari breaking the gentlemen's agreement not to conduct testing during race weekends, or previously agreed upon non-testing periods. |
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Don't count out Ferrari and Bridgestone, I'm surprised Barrichello ended up 2nd place. They are still a strong team maybe slightly weaker than last year, the big unknown is when they get their new 2005 race car, will it be slower, same or faster than their '04 car.
2005 Formula 1 Grand Prix Drivers Championship Points
Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 10
2 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 8
3 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 6
4 David Coulthard British Red Bull Racing 5
5 Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 4
6 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 3
7 Christian Klein Austrian Red Bull Racing 2
8 Kimi Raikkonen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 1
2005 Formula 1 Grand Prix Constructors Championship Points
Pos Manufacturer Points
1 Renault 16
2 Ferrari 8
3 Red Bull Racing 7
4 Williams-BMW 4
5 McLaren-Mercedes 4 |
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| indy-rich |
Just read this morning that Red Bull is negotiating to have Honda supply their engines to the team for the 2006 season. Word from the Honda guys working with BAR is that they'd prefer not to have to split their efforts with other teams with a potential loss of focus.
Comments from the Honda home office is that 'in the interest of the sport' they're always happy to spread the Honda cheer around to others. |
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| desertpilot |
Here's Autocar's article about Red Bull to run Honda engines in 2006.
Autocar article link |
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| FASTER345 |
| When was the last time Schumi/Ferrari were NOT in the points lead? What alternate universe is this?!?!? ;) |
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| FASTER345 |
quote:
Originally posted by indy-rich
Comments from the Honda home office is that 'in the interest of the sport' they're always happy to spread the Honda cheer around to others.
That must be why they left ChampCar, to prepare the oval-racing NASCAR folks for the Nextel Cup Accord via the IRL. |
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| FASTER345 |
quote:
Originally posted by desertpilot
Here's Autocar's article about Red Bull to run Honda engines in 2006.
Wow, we're only one race in and the Silly Season has begun! ;) Wouldn't it be fun if ChampCar went to 2.4l n/a engines too and could share engines with F1? |
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Maybe F1 should run go-carts if they don't want to go too fast. :D :D
2005 Malaysian Formula 1 Grand Prix Sunday Final Qualifying
Pos
1 Fernando Alonso Renault
2 Jarno Trulli Toyota
3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault
4 Mark Webber Williams-BMW
5 Ralf Schumacher Toyota
6 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes
7 Christian Klein Red Bull Racing
8 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing
9 Jenson Button BAR-Honda
10 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW
11 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes
12 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
13 Michael Schumacher Ferrari
14 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas
15 Anthony Davidson BAR-Honda
16 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas
17 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota
18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota
19 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth
20 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth
It looks like the Honda team didn't do so good even with their newly installed engines.
Note: Davidson substituted for T. Sato because he is ill with the flu.
The race will officially start about 11 p.m. tonight Pacific time zone. Good luck to the BAR-Honda team! :)
The Official Formula 1 website link |
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| iglesias |
Both BAR Honda engines blew 2 1/2 laps into the race, almost at the same time.
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| desertpilot |
Too bad for the Honda team but there were a lot of retirements, a total of seven cars.
Early on about the same time the Hondas failed, P. Friesacher of Minardi spun and went out also. Then halfway during the race J. Villeneuve of Sauber spun and went out of the race. M. Webber's Williams crahed with G. Fisichella's Renault, both were out of it. Near the end of the race the Ferrari of R. Barrichello went in the pits due to lack of grip because of very badly worn tires.
Here are the unofficial Malaysian Formula 1 Grand Prix race results:
1 F. Alonso - Renault
2 J. Trulli - Toyota
3 N. Heidfeld - Williams-BMW
4 J. P. Montoya - McLaren-Mercedes
5 R. Schumacher - Toyota
6 D. Coulthard - Red Bull Racing
7 M. Schumacher - Ferrari
8 C. Klein - Red Bull Racing
The rest of the cars finished without points:
9 K. Raikkonen - McLaren-Mercedes
10 F. Massa - Sauber-Petronas
11 N. Karthikeyan - Jordan-Toyota
12 T. Monteiro - Jordan-Toyota
13 C. Albers - Minardi-Cosworth
It's the first podium for Toyota and a very strong race from the winner Fernando Alonso and Renault. Another disappointing race for the Ferrari team, maybe they will rush the new F2005 car now and use it ahead of schedule. The race stewards will investigate the crash of Webber and Fisichella.
2005 Formula 1 Grand Prix Drivers Championship Points
1 F. Alonso - Renault 16 pts
2 G. Fisichella's Renault 10 pts
3 J. Trulli - Toyota 8 pts
3= R. Barrichello - Ferrari 8 pts
3= D. Coulthard - Red Bull Racing 8 pts
3= J. P. Montoya - McLaren-Mercedes 8 pts
7 N. Heidfeld - Williams-BMW 6 pts
8 R. Schumacher - Toyota 4 pts
8= M. Webber - Williams-BMW 4 pts
10 C. Klein - Red Bull Racing 3 pts
11 M. Schumacher - Ferrari 2 pts
12 K. Raikkonen - McLaren-Mercedes 1 pts
2005 Formula 1 Grand Prix Constructors Championship Points
Pos Manufacturer Points
1 Renault 26 pts
2 Toyota 12 pts
3 Red Bull Racing 11 pts
4 Ferrari 10 pts
4= Williams-BMW 10 pts
5 McLaren-Mercedes 9 pts
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Button fires angry salvo at BAR
Jenson Button heavily criticised his BAR-Honda team after both cars retired from the Malaysian Grand Prix with engine failure after just three laps.
"Compared to last year, we have made a huge step back in every area it looks like at the moment," said Button, who was third in the championship in 2004.
"It's just not good enough because we're quick - that's the annoying thing. It's very disappointing.
"It's got to change, but I don't think it's going to change in a hurry."
Button, who wanted to switch to Williams for this season but was forced to stay at BAR after losing a legal dispute, was especially critical of engine partner Honda, the team's co-owner.
"Engineering an engine to last three laps is not difficult," he said. "It's (about) the whole race."
The failures were especially embarrassing for Honda, because BAR had decided to deliberately retire both cars at the end of the Australian Grand Prix so they could fit fresh engines for Malaysia.
BAR technical director Geoff Willis said: "This was a bitterly disappointing end to our race weekend, particularly since Jenson got such a good start and was easily making places in the early laps.
"The car was handling well and we were confident that our race pace and strategy would bring very good results."
Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sp...one/4365453.stm |
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2005 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Results 3/03/05
1 F. Alonso Renault 1: 29 :18.531 10 pts
2 J. Trulli Toyota + 13.409 8 pts
3 K. Räikkönen McLaren + 32.063 6 pts
4 R. Schumacher Toyota + 53.272 5 pts
5 P. de la Rosa McLaren + 1:04.988 4 pts
6 M. Webber Williams + 1:14.701 3 pts
7 F. Massa Sauber + 1 laps 2 pts
8 D. Coulthard Red Bull + 1 laps 1 pt
9 R. Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps
10 T. Monteiro Jordan + 2 laps
11 J. Villeneuve Sauber + 3 laps
12 P. Friesacher Minardi + 3 laps
13 C. Albers Minardi + 4 laps
14 J. Button BAR + 10 laps
15 T. Sato BAR + 29 laps
16 N. Heidfeld Williams + 32 laps
17 M. Schumacher Ferrari + 45 laps
18 G. Fisichella Renault + 53 laps
19 N. Karthikeyan Jordan + 55 laps
20 C. Klien Red Bull + 57 laps
Both Honda cars was retired due to brakes and clutch problems. :(
The Official Formula 1 website link |
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| ramirami |
quote:
Originally posted by desertpilot
2005 Bahrain Grand Prix Race Results 3/03/05
9 R. Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps
10 T. Monteiro Jordan + 2 laps
11 J. Villeneuve Sauber + 3 laps
12 P. Friesacher Minardi + 3 laps
13 C. Albers Minardi + 4 laps
14 J. Button BAR + 10 laps
15 T. Sato BAR + 29 laps
16 N. Heidfeld Williams + 32 laps
17 M. Schumacher Ferrari + 45 laps
18 G. Fisichella Renault + 53 laps
19 N. Karthikeyan Jordan + 55 laps
20 C. Klien Red Bull + 57 laps
what does "+xx laps" mean..?? |
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quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
what does "+xx laps" mean..??
The plus laps means that the leader car lapped you. For example Jenson Button of BAR-Honda shows +10 laps which means that he probably and in this case retired 10 laps before the end of the race due to a mechanical problem. |
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| FASTER345 |
| How about Honda's ultra-fast shifting transmission? That's kinda cool. I like how they had to dumb-it-down because it was so seamless the other teams complained that it was virtually a CVT. Good times! Now if they could just make the motors faster and reliable...and do something about the brake bias! Those front wheels were blacker than my Pilot's! Cheers. |
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| borg |
Good day for Honda, finishing 3rd & 5th.....but the story was Schu's superb driving & his teams strategy that enabled them to go from 13th to finish 2nd. Alonso wins his 3rd race in a row & showed steely determination to hang on for the win with Schu charging fast & trying all he could to overtake. Great finish.:roadtrip: :roadtrip:
Just finished watching it live, too early for any update to use link to either F1 or BAR Honda sites. |
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| desertpilot |
First of all congrats to the BAR-Honda team's 3rd and 5th place finish.
My favorite driver Jacques Villeneuve of Sauber-Petronas did well and snapped out of his poor performance in the last three races.
Overall it was a great very close race between Renault's Fernando Alonso and Ferrari's Champ Michael Schumacher. Jenson Button's finish was not in the same pace as the first and second place, he was about 10 secs. behind the leaders.
2005 San Marino Grand Prix Race No. 4 Official Results
P. No Driver Team-Engine Tires Gaps/Laps/Retired Points
1. 5 Fernando ALONSO Renault M 1: 27:41.921 10
2. 1 Michael SCHUMACHER Ferrari B +0.215 8
3. 3 Jenson BUTTON BAR-Honda M +10.481 6
4. 10 Alexander Wurz McLaren-Mercedes M +27.554 5
5. 4 Tacuma Sato BAR-Honda M +34.783 4
6. 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas M +64.442 3
7. 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota M +70.258 2
8. 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota M +70.841 205.346 Km/h 1
9. 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW M +71.2
10. 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW M +83.2
11. 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi RedBull-Cosworth M +83.7
12. 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas M +1 lap(s)
13. 14 David Coulthard RedBull-Cosworth M +1 lap(s)
14. 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota B +1 lap(s)
15. 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota B +2 lap(s)
RET 16. 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth B 42 lap(s) Hydraulics
RET 17. 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari B 44 lap(s) Electrical
RET 18. 9 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes M 53 lap(s) Driveshaft
RET 19. 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth B 54 lap(s) Clutch
RET 20. 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault M 57 lap(s) Accident
Fastest lap: Michael Shumacher 1:21.858
The Official Formula 1 website link
Official Race Results link
Official BAR-Honda F1 website link
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| borg |
BAR Honda handed 2 race ban. JB & Sato DQ'd.......BAR is appealing decision.
I'm afraid this may spell the end for BAR Honda's bid for a successful 05 season.:( |
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BAR-Honda didn't went through with their appeal so they are out for the two races. At the Spanish GP at Barcelona, Ferrari, Sauber and Minardi had a bad day. Champion Michael Schumacher of Ferrari, both Sauber race cars and both Minardi cars retired. Michael's Ferrari teammate didn't score any points which finished 9th. Overall McLaren broke the Renault stranglehold of the 2005 season.
Here are the unofficial results of the race.
Formula 1 Gran Premio de Espana 2005
1. Kimi Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes Winner 10 pts
2. Fernando Alonso Renault +27.6 secs 8 pts
3. Jarno Trulli Toyota +45.9 secs 6 pts
4. Ralf Schumacher Toyota +46.7 secs 5 pts
5. Giancarlo Fisichella Renault +57.9 secs 4 pts
6. Mark Webber Williams-BMW +68.5 secs 3 pts
7. Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes +1 Lap 2 pts
8. David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 1 Lap 1 pt
9. R. Barrichello Ferrari + 1 Lap
10. N. Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 1 Lap
11. F. Massa Sauber-Petronas + 3 Laps
12. Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 3 Laps
13. Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 Laps
Ret Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 15 Laps
Ret Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 20 Laps
Ret Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 47 Laps
Ret Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 55 Laps
Ret Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull Racing + 57 Laps
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| borg |
| I had less interest in watching this race without the 2 cars from BAR-Honda, hopefully they get their act together & use this time off to make things right. |
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| indy-rich |
I just got back from Catalunya last nite. It was interesting to see some of the BAR team wandering around town in the evening with a dazed look and time on their hands.
Much discussion about the whole sordid affair. Apparently Mike Mosely wanted them disqualified for the entire season. Thankfully that hasn't happened. The normally honorable Japanese are keeping very quiet with most of the communications coming from BAR Brits.
Kimi Raikonnen was awesome and simply ran away from the field. It sure was interesting to see the stands filled with the light blue colors of Renault and Fernando Alonso. Quite a departure from the normal red horde of Ferrari supporters.
The Spanish sure have a strange sense of time management. Restaurants didn't start to fill up until after 10. We were eating the evening meal close to midnite and it was odd seeing the streets filled with normal people at 3 a.m. |
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| iglesias |
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Originally posted by indy-rich
The Spanish sure have a strange sense of time management. Restaurants didn't start to fill up until after 10. We were eating the evening meal close to midnite and it was odd seeing the streets filled with normal people at 3 a.m.
That's normal for Spain. They usually take part of the afternoon off, so they work later and eat later. For those who don't work so late (or tourists), you hit the tapas bars for lite food and drink. And everybody smokes.
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2005 Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix Results
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren 1:45:15.556 10
2 Nick Heidfeld Williams + 13.877 8
3 Mark Webber Williams + 18.484 6
4 Fernando Alonso Renault + 36.487 5
5 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren + 36.647 4
6 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 37.177 3
7 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 37.223 2
8 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 37.570 1
9 Felipe Massa Sauber + 1 laps 0
10 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 1 laps 0
11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber + 1 laps 0
12 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 1 laps 0
13 Tiago Monteiro Jordan + 3 laps 0
14 Christijan Albers Minardi + 5 laps 0
Did not finish:
15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull + 18 laps 0
16 Patrick Friesacher Minardi + 48 laps 0
17 David Coulthard Red Bull + 54 laps 0
18 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan + 59 laps 0
The Official Formula 1 Website link
The BAR-Honda team could not compete in this race because of their two race penalty for having an underweight cars. There were three other teams that were in the same condition as BAR-Honda but they had to revise their setup after the Honda team was caught. The F1 circus now moves to Nurburgring in Germany for next week's European Grand Prix when the BAR Honda team will make its return to the championship. |
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2005 Nurburgring Formula 1 European Grand Prix Results
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1 : 31:46.648 10 pts
2 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 16.567 8 pts
3 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 18.549 6 pts
4 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing+ 31.588 5 pts
5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 50.445 4 pts
6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 51.932 3 pts
7 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 58.173 2 pts
8 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 1:11.091 1 pt
9 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull Racing+ 1:11.529 0 pt
10 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 1:35.786 0
11 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 1 laps 0
12 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 1 laps 0
13 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
14 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
15 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 0
16 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 0
17 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
18 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 3 laps 0
Did not finish
19 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 25 laps 0
20 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 59 laps 0
The first race back of the BAR-Honda team was about average finishing in the mid field. McLaren's Kimi was leading most of the race but had a blown right front tire one lap before the end of the race. Their team will look into the cause of the car's failure whether it was the tire or the suspension that let go.
Nick Heidfeld of the Williams-BMW team got the pole position and challenged Renault and McLaren. Nick's partner Mark Webber had a bad accident in the first few laps among a few cars and the ones involved had to replace their nose and front wings.
The Ferrari team are improving from their previous races and got 3rd podium and 5th places.
Alonso extended his huge lead in the drivers' championship and join us again in two weeks to see if his challengers could fight back at the Canadian Grand Prix, Gilles Villeneuve Circuit, Montreal.
The Official Formula 1 Website link |
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2005 Canadian Grand Prix - Race No. 8 of 19 Official Result
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1: 32:09.290 10 pts
2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 1.137 8 pts
3 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 40.483 6 pts
4 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 55.139 5 pts
5 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 55.779 4 pts
6 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1 lap 3 pts
7 David Coulthard Red Bull + 1 lap 2 pts
8 Christian Klien Red Bull + 1 lap 1 pt
9 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 lap 0 pt
10 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
11 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 3 laps 0
Retired
12 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 8 laps 0
13 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren + 18 laps 0 (Disqualified)
14 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 24 laps 0
15 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 27 laps 0
16 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 30 laps 0
17 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 31 laps 0
18 Fernando Alonso Renault + 32 laps 0
19 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 38 laps 0
20 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 46 laps 0
It was a disaster for the Honda team and a lot of other teams at the Canadian Grand Prix race, Sunday, June 12th. Jenson Button hit the wall with only about a third of the race remaining. Teammate Takuma Sato went out with a transmission problem early and near the end of the race came back into the race to get a better qualification position for the next race. Takuma did not finish, he's the only driver that went out twice during the race, what bad luck.
Other teams and also Renault with both cars out also, didn't do well. Only eleven cars finished the race.
JP Montoya of the McLaren-Mercedes was in the lead when Jenson Button crashed, Montoya pitted which almost every team did. When he got out of the pit, he was black flagged for not following the red light condition when the pace car was out in the track.
In summary, McLaren-Mercedes team is catching up with Renault. The Ferrari team did well this time and the champ Michael was only about a second behind the winner at the finish line. The Honda team had a nice qualifying when Jenson got the pole position. Jenson admitted later after the race that the wall incident was his own fault.
Hoping that the Honda team gets better for next week's 9th race of the season at the U.S. Grand Prix at Indy.
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2005 U.S. Grand Prix - Race No.9 of 19 Official Result
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1 : 29:43.181 10
2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1.005 8
3 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 6
4 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 5
5 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 4
6 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 3
Withdrew
7 J. Trulli Toyota + 73 laps 0
8 K. Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 73 laps 0
9 J. Button BAR-Honda + 73 laps 0
10 G. Fisichella Renault + 73 laps 0
11 F. Alonso Renault + 73 laps 0
12 T. Sato BAR-Honda + 73 laps 0
13 M. Webber Williams-BMW + 73 laps 0
14 F. Massa Sauber-Petronas + 73 laps 0
15 JP. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 73 laps 0
16 J. Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 73 laps 0
17 R. Zonta Toyota + 73 laps 0
18 C. Klien Red Bull Racing+ 73 laps 0
19 N. Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 73 laps 0
20 D. Coulthard Red Bull Racing+ 73 laps 0
June 19, 2005 - Indianapolis Motor Speedway
What's happening to Formula One? Fans boo Michael Shumacher to victory because only six of the cars raced (three teams), the rest of the teams elected not to race as a protest to the FIA after Michelin the tire supplier for the seven teams, advised against using its tire due to safety concerns.
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| iglesias |
The suggestion by the FIA to the Michelin teams to slow down in turn 13 was ridiculous. Once the drivers get into a race, their racing mindset would take over and they would start pushing the limits in that turn.
In the news article on the F1 web site about the Michelin-shod teams being summoned on June 29th, it says:
Rather than boycott the race the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race.
"had a race"?!? Only if you count the 14 cars that would have been more laps down than the two Minardis because they had to slow down in turn 13. Or maybe they were counting on the cars slowing in turn 13 taking out some of the Bridgestone-shod cars as they tried to pass?
I find it hard to believe that Michelin couldn't supply tires that could take the loads from turn 13; they've been there 6 times already. It would have been interesting to be in the Michelin boardroom today! They have taken a pretty bad hit because of this debacle. |
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| FASTER345 |
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Originally posted by iglesias
The suggestion by the FIA to the Michelin teams to slow down in turn 13 was ridiculous. Once the drivers get into a race, their racing mindset would take over and they would start pushing the limits in that turn.
I disagree. Racers understand more than anyone what their car can and can't do. If they fear they have a tire problem they can slow down just as they do if they have a brake/engine/aero/suspension/etc. problem. During a race their cars change, the weight goes down, tires either get better then start to fade as do brakes and the driver constantly compensates for these changes. If the individual drivers wanted to race they should have been allowed to do so and just slow down where they believe they may have an issue just as so many others have done and will continue to do in every race run anywhere on earth. But the team managers took the gamble that by sticking together and pulling out the race would be restarted with the chicane or something else. Too bad for them.
I think the FIA absolutely did the right thing. Why penalize the whole field for one part supplier's problem? Had this been a Bridgestone issue, do you think the other teams would have agreed to a chicane just to 'help' Ferrari and the other two teams? I guarantee they would not. What would happen if teams were allowed to pull out of a race any time they aren't as fast as the other teams? Since that applies to basically every race, that would make for a pretty shoddy series. In hindsight, they should have just slowed down on that one turn, carry less fuel, have ane extra pit stop, closely monitor tire wear and hope the faster cars have some other technical issue. But they chose solidarity.
If Alonso or Raikkonen lose this championship by one point, I bet they'll wish they had raced at Indy and collected the wasted points for 7th and 8th that no one received. And if they lose to Schumi...well that'd be amazing for many reasons.
Just my thoughts. Cheers. |
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Originally posted by FASTER345
I disagree. Racers understand more than anyone what their car can and can't do. If they fear they have a tire problem they can slow down just as they do if they have a brake/engine/aero/suspension/etc. problem. ...
But it's a racer's nature to take their car right to the edge of what it can do. When they miscalculate, they crash. Maybe a suggestion to slow down in turn 13 would work when no other cars are around, but when a car is jockeying for position with another and approaching that turn, the urge to take it faster than their competitor "just this once" would be too great (I would think). And since not every car running Michelins crashed in practice, maybe some drivers would think they could get away with higher speeds in that turn "some of the time". Besides, a brake/engine/aero/suspension problem would manifest itself every lap. As I understand it, the tires would handle fine- until they failed.
NASCAR (and many other series) has a mandatory pit road speed limit. But drivers still routinely are penalized for speeding. The urge to go just a little faster to get ahead of a competitor is just too great. (Of course, that could also describe a typical rush hour commute:3: ) |
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I find it difficult to get into F1 racing. I don't know if it is because we don't see it often or because it is more of an international thing than a US thing. Kind of like international soccer. I root for the US team at world cup but otherwise pay little attention to it.
Nascar is on every weekend it seems, and usually somewhere nearby, with a driver you've heard of. I did watch the Indy 500 because of Danica Patrick, but I don't think I've seen another open wheel race in years... |
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| FASTER345 |
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Originally posted by Titans Fan
But it's a racer's nature to take their car right to the edge of what it can do. When they miscalculate, they crash.
Which happens at virtually every race for a variety of reasons.
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...the urge to take it faster than their competitor "just this once" would be too great (I would think).
Why? These guys know how to get the most out of their cars whether or not they're running at 100% so I don't see why they would just blindly ignore the advice of their parts suppliers, engineers, etc. and drive recklessly. They get black flagged for reckless behaviour. Like Montoya in Canada.
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...maybe some drivers would think they could get away with higher speeds in that turn "some of the time".
So you don't pass on the outside of that one turn. Instead pass at the 3/4 mile long straight that follows it. Safety problem solved.
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But drivers still routinely are penalized for speeding. The urge to go just a little faster to get ahead of a competitor is just too great.
If these urges were so uncontrolable, these guys would all be dead by now. |
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Originally posted by FASTER345
solved.
If these urges were so uncontrolable, these guys would all be dead by now.
F1 would be dead too. Black eye for Michelin, the teams, F1 and FIA. The lawyers are circling as we speak:twak: |
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Originally posted by CNYGuy
I find it difficult to get into F1 racing. I don't know if it is because we don't see it often or because it is more of an international thing than a US thing. Kind of like international soccer. I root for the US team at world cup but otherwise pay little attention to it...
Every F1 practice, qualifying and race is broadcast in the US, usually on Speed Channel. I find it difficult to get into NASCAR. Maybe because it's like the Starbucks of the racing world: popular and omnipresent. The only time I can watch that type of racing is if it's a support race at something I'm attending. And even then I fall asleep.
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Nascar is on every weekend it seems, and usually somewhere nearby, with a driver you've heard of. I did watch the Indy 500 because of Danica Patrick, but I don't think I've seen another open wheel race in years...
I too watched the Danica 500 this year but just to see at what point supergirl would screw up. No offense, but she's not that great. Did she ever even win a Toyota Atlantics race? She was good for the series because she was briefly interesting to the general media, but to me she's just an oval track racer that happens to look ok in a bikini. Not exactly what I require in a race driver. |
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| FASTER345 |
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Originally posted by rocky
Black eye for Michelin, the teams...
Well, seven of the teams. |
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I was there all week-end. I know I don't speak for everyone else who was, but I had a great time. Friday and Saturday were fine days. We were buying the morning newspaper each day and understood that there was a tire problem. Michelin was reportedly air freighting in a replacement set of tires that might make it there just in time for the race. The newspaper pointed out that this was against the rules and wondered what the FIA would do to maintain the integrity of the sport.
History now tells us that the FIA held their ground which was the right thing to do but unfortunate in its consequences. Michelin, worried about litigation happy America, held their ground as well. I find it amazing that Michelin was able to get everyone to agree to boycott. There were certainly Michelin teams that were not exhibiting the problem who wanted to race.
What was disappointing was that the social club of gazillionaires who control F1 these days could not arrive at a compromise that would allow the show to go on.
My take was that they should have put the chicane in, made it a non-points race for all the Michelin teams and let the Bridgestone guys occupy the first 6 spots on the grid. Ferrari would have got the win and the points they rightfully deserved. Some of the Michelin guys could have still salvaged bragging rights by driving through the pack and overtaking whatever Bridgestone cars that they could.
I've been there for each of the 6 USGP's so far. Will I return next year? You bet. At least I'll always remember this one as the Grand Prix that wasn't. |
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Originally posted by FASTER345
Every F1 practice, qualifying and race is broadcast in the US, usually on Speed Channel. I find it difficult to get into NASCAR. Maybe because it's like the Starbucks of the racing world: popular and omnipresent. The only time I can watch that type of racing is if it's a support race at something I'm attending. And even then I fall asleep.
I too watched the Danica 500 this year but just to see at what point supergirl would screw up. No offense, but she's not that great. Did she ever even win a Toyota Atlantics race? She was good for the series because she was briefly interesting to the general media, but to me she's just an oval track racer that happens to look ok in a bikini. Not exactly what I require in a race driver.
I'm not criticizing F1, I'm just saying I've never found it appealing. The same can be said for a lot of sports I haven's taken an interest in(rugby, water polo, cricket, x-games, etc.)
I don't even know what a Toyota Atlantics race is, let alone who won . I think many people are critical of "supergirl" and want her to screw up, but I think if you qualify, compete and finish any Indy 500, you may not be great, but you're better than a lot of wanna be's... |
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| borg |
Truly a black day for F1, it may be too severe for it to recover from.
I suspect that the bigger reason for the incident is greed.......for power, for money!
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if their was a break out series comprised of the seven teams that didn't race at INDY in the very near future, which would leave F1 with a Ferrari team & two lesser teams.
I hope that they can find a resolution somehow, I believe that F1 will not survive if their was a break out league & the break out league would need a marquee team like Ferrari to succeed. |
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Originally posted by borg
... It wouldn't surprise me a bit if their was a break out series comprised of the seven teams that didn't race at INDY in the very near future, which would leave F1 with a Ferrari team & two lesser teams.
I hope that they can find a resolution somehow, I believe that F1 will not survive if their was a break out league & the break out league would need a marquee team like Ferrari to succeed.
I hope F1 and teams look to CART as an example of what not to do. Their split several years ago turned it from a top tier series into a second rate one. While it was not a death blow, I don't think they ever recovered. |
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2005 French Grand Prix - Race 10 of 19
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1 : 31:22.233 10
2 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 11.805 8
3 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 1:21.914 6
4 Jenson Button BAR-HONDA + 1 laps 5
5 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 1 laps 4
6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 1 laps 3
7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1 laps 2
8 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 1
9 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps 0
10 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 1 laps 0
11 Takuma Sato BAR-HONDA + 1 laps 0
12 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 2 laps 0
13 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
14 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 4 laps 0
15 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 4 laps 0
Retired:
16 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 23 laps 0
17 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 32 laps 0
18 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 36 laps 0
19 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 41 laps 0
20 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 69 laps 0
Fernando Alonso performed strongly with his fifth win of the season in a dominant way at Renault's home circuit. The Spaniard led from start to finish and despite a masterful strategy from McLaren, Kimi Raikkonen had to settle for second place. Michael Schumacher collected the final podium position for Ferrari.
Jenson Button of BAR-Honda team finished fourth place. :7:
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2005 British Grand Prix - Race 11 of 19 Official Race Result 7/10/05
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 24:29.588 10
2 Fernando Alonso Renault + 2.739 8
3 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 14.436 6
4 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 17.914 5
5 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 40.264 4
6 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 1:15.322 3
7 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1:16.567 2
8 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1:19.212 1
9 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 1:20.851 0
10 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
11 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 1 laps 0
12 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 1 laps 0
13 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 1 laps 0
14 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1 laps 0
16 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 2 laps 0
17 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 2 laps 0
18 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 3 laps 0
19 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth + 4 laps 0
Retired
20 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 50 laps 0
2005 German Grand Prix - Race 12 of 19 Official Race Result 7/24/05
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1 : 26:28.599 10
2 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 22.569 8
3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 24.422 6 :7:
4 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 50.587 5
5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 51.690 4
6 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 52.242 3
7 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 52.700 2
8 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 56.570 1
9 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1:09.818 0
10 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps 0
11 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 1 laps 0
12 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 1 laps 0
13 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
14 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 3 laps 0
15 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 3 laps 0
16 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
17 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
18 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 4 laps 0
Retired
19 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 12 laps 0
20 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 32 laps 0
First podium (legal) for Honda and Jenson Button. Button set up Michael Schumacher and out-braked the German down the inside of the hairpin, stealing second place on lap 45. In summary, after the first lap fiascoes it turned out to be a slow-burn race which came alive near the finish. Fernando Alonso of the Renault team is still the current leader. There are only seven more races to go in this season. The next race will be next week in Budapest Hungary.
Note: I was on vacation in Northern California during the British GP, here is the result even if it's very late sorry.
2005 F1 GP Drivers Championship Standings:
1. Fernando Alonso - Spanish - Team Renault - 87 pts
2. Kimi Räikkönen - Finnish - Team McLaren-Mercedes - 51 pts
3. Michael Schumacher - German - Team Ferrari - 47 pts
4. Juan Pablo Montoya - Colombian - Team McLaren-Mercedes - 34 pts
5. Rubens Barrichello - Brazilian - Team Ferrari - 31 pts
6. Jarno Trulli - Italian - Team Toyota - 31 pts
7. Giancarlo Fisichella - Italian - Team Renault - 30 pts
8. Ralf Schumacher - German - Team Toyota - 26 pts
9. Nick Heidfeld - German - Team Williams-BMW - 25 pts
10. Mark Webber - Australian - Team Williams-BMW - 22 pts
11. David Coulthard - British - Team Red Bull Racing - 19 pts
12. Jenson Button - British - Team BAR-Honda - 15 pts
2005 F1 GP Constructors Championship Standings:
1. Renault 117 pts
2. McLaren-Mercedes 95 pts
3. Ferrari 78 pts
4. Toyota 57 pts
5. Williams-BMW 47 pts
6. Red Bull Racing 24 pts
7. BAR-Honda 15 pts
8. Sauber-Petronas 14 pts
9. Jordan-Toyota 11 pts
10. Minardi-Cosworth 7 pts
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2005 Hungarian Grand Prix - Race 13 of 19 Official Race Result 7/31 Sun
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 37:25.552 10
2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 35.581 8
3 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 36.129 6
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 54.221 5
5 Jenson Button BAR-HONDA + 58.832 4
6 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 1:08.375 3
7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 1 laps 2
8 Takuma Sato BAR-HONDA + 1 laps 1
9 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 1 laps 0
10 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps 0
11 Fernando Alonso Renault + 1 laps 0
12 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
13 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 4 laps 0
14 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 7 laps 0
15 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 11 laps 0
Retired
16 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 14 laps 0
17 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 29 laps 0
18 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 44 laps 0
19 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 70 laps 0
20 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 70 laps 0
The next race is on August 21st in Istanbul Speedpark, Turkey.
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| borg |
I've been quite busy the last few weeks & I haven't had a chance to sit in front of the TV to watch any of the races, I'm hoping in two weeks time I'll be able to watch the inaugural race in Turkey(on TV).:D
It looks like drivers points/standings are getting more competitive, it will make for a better and entertaining last half of the season.
Thanks for the continued updates, it's a quick & easy reference to get the latest news. |
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You're welcome and speaking of standings, news and rumors, here you go.
2005 Driver Standings:
Pos Driver Team Points
1 F. Alonso Renault 87
2 K. Räikkönen McLaren 61
3 M. Schumacher Ferrari 55
4 J. Trulli Toyota 36
5 JP. Montoya McLaren 34
6 R. Schumacher Toyota 32
7 R. Barrichello Ferrar 31
8 G. Fisichella Renault 30
9 N. Heidfeld Williams 28
10 M. Webber Williams 24
11 J. Button BAR-Honda 19
22 T. Sato BAR-Honda 1
2005 Constructors Championship:
1 Renault 117 pts
2 McLaren-Mercedes 105 pts
3 Ferrari 86 pts
4 Toyota 68 pts
5 Williams-BMW 52 pts
6 Red Bull Racing 24 pts
7 BAR-Honda 20 pts
News and Rumors:
Buttongate II - Jenson wants to stay with BAR-Honda for 2006 but he already have a binding contract with Williams starting next year.
Rubens Barrichello has officially signed with BAR-Honda to replace either Jenson Button or Takuma Sato for next year. Ferrari have confirmed Rubens is leaving the team.
BMW purchased the Sauber-Petronas team.
Felipe Massa will to go to Ferrari team next season to replace Barrichello. Ferrari have taken up a renewable option on Massa's contract with the team that dates back to 2001, he was a former test driver for Ferrari and is managed by Ferrari boss Jean Todt's son.
Williams signed a deal with Cosworth to be their engine supplier after this season.
Red Bull racing will be using Ferrari engines for 2006, their contract has been signed and completed.
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2005 Turkish Grand Prix - Race 14 of 19 Official Race Result 8/21 Sun
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 24:34.454 10
2 Fernando Alonso Renault + 18.609 8
3 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 19.635 6
4 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 37.973 5
5 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 39.304 4
6 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 55.420 3
7 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 1:09.296 2
8 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1:11.622 1
9 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 1:49.987 0
10 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1 laps 0
11 Jaques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
12 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1 laps 0
13 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 3 laps 0
14 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
15 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
Retired
16 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 10 laps 0
17 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 26 laps 0
18 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW + 29 laps 0
19 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 30 laps 0
20 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 38 laps 0
2005 Drivers Championship Points
Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 95
2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 71
3 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 55
4 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 40
5 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 39
6 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 35
7 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 32
8 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 31
9 Nick Heidfeld German Williams-BMW 28
10 Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 24
11 Jenson Button British BAR-Honda 23
22 Takuma Sato Japanese BAR-Honda 1
2005 Constructors Championship Points
Pos Constructor Points
1 Renault 130
2 McLaren 121
3 Ferrari 86
4 Toyota 71
5 Williams-BMW 52
6 Red Bull Racing 27
7 BAR-Honda 24
8 Sauber-Petronas 14
9 Jordan-Toyota 11
10 Minardi-Cosworth 7
The BAR-Honda team had a horrible qualifying, Jenson Button started at 13th and Takuma Sato was disqualified by blocking another car and had to start from last place. In spite of the bad starting positions Jenson beat Jarno Truli of Toyota to finish 5th place and Takuma finished 9th, shy of the one last point awarded to the 8th place.
World champ Michael Schumacher of Ferrari team had a very bad luck and had two separate crashes, first in the start of the race with Felipe Massa of Sauber team and later on in the race with Mark Webber of Williams-BMW.
The worst team having a very bad luck was Williams-BMW which suffered several right rear tire punctures. Their tire problem was caused by rubbing of the sidewall of the tire with the side of the rear spoiler.
Kimi Räikkönen of team McLaren-Mercedes raced from pole to finish and was unstoppable and was not even challenged by team Renault. His team mate Juan Pablo Montoya was running 2nd most of the race skidded off the race track two laps before the finish and Fernando took advantage of it and finished 2nd. The chase for the world championship will be between Kimi and Fernando with five exciting races left to go in the season.
The new track in Istanbul, Turkey were well liked by the drivers. The main improvement I could mention is the run off of the turns are paved instead of the traditional gravel, this makes it more safer and less damage to the cars.
The next race will be in Monza, Italy on September 4th.
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Sweet! Nice to see some Pilot owners on here are also Honda F1 fans:2:
I'm looking forward to this weekend in Monza. JB almost won last year, maybe he can pull out something special for Honda this time around if the McLarens run into some bad luck! :4: |
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2005 Italian Grand Prix - Race 15 of 19 Official Race Result 9/4 Sun
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 14 : 28.659 10
2 Fernando Alonso Renault + 2.4 8
3 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 17.9 6
4 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 22.7 5
5 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 33.7 4
6 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 43.9 3
7 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW + 44.6 2
8 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 63.6 1
9 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 75.4 0
10 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 96.0 0
11 Jaques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 lap 0
12 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1 lap 0
13 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1 lap 0
14 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 1 lap 0
15 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 1 lap 0
16 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 1 lap 0
17 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 2 laps 0
18 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
19 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
20 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
2005 Drivers Championship Points
Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 103
2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 76
3 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 55
4 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 50
5 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 43
6 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 41
7 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 35
8 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 31
9 Nick Heidfeld German Williams-BMW 28
10 Jenson Button British BAR-Honda 24
10=Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 24
23 Takuma Sato Japanese BAR-Honda 1
2005 Constructors Championship Points
Pos Constructor Points
1 Renault 144
2 McLaren 136
3 Ferrari 86
4 Toyota 78
5 Williams-BMW 54
6 Red Bull Racing 27
7 BAR-Honda 25
8 Sauber-Petronas 14
9 Jordan-Toyota 11
10 Minardi-Cosworth 7
The BAR-Honda team Jenson Button had a good qualification of P4 and teammate Takuma Sato got P5 but this was due to low fuel load. Takuma had pit trouble when he didn't get enough fuel and had to come back and add more fuel, he never made up the time he lost. By the finish Jenson got the last point 8th place and Takuma was 16th.
Juan Pablo Montoya won the Italian Grand Prix despite a rear tyre problem. A troubled afternoon of various dramas meant Kimi Raikkonen could finish no better than fourth. Kimi had to start 10 places back even though he got P1 in qualification because of a new engine change penalty.
Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella of the Renault team kept the pressure on Juan Pablo but pretty much stayed behind him. The Ferrari team had a terrible race and didn't even get any points. For the third time in Formula One history all the starters made it to the finish.
Fernando Alonso closes in on the championship title and could possibly lock it in by the next race in Spa, Belgium next week September 11th.
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I usually love Monza, but today's race was fairly boring. It's a sad state of affairs when the most exciting racing in F1 is when Webber pulled out right in front of Taku during their respective pitstops and "raced" their way out side by side.
Anyway, Kimi's bad luck is unbelievable. If it weren't for all the mechancial gremlins this year, he'd have the WDC by now. |
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I usually love Monza, but today's race was fairly boring. It's a sad state of affairs when the most exciting racing in F1 is when Webber pulled out right in front of Taku during their respective pitstops and "raced" their way out side by side.
Anyway, Kimi's bad luck is unbelievable. If it weren't for all the mechancial gremlins this year, he'd have the WDC by now.
Yes I agree and so does 90% of F1 fans that wants more passing.
The FIA will have a huge task ahead of them to make the race tracks wider and more safer, specially the older tracks.
It's been also bad luck for BAR-Honda this year but we shall see what happens next year when everyone switch to V8s. |
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A couple of things that caught my attention during the Italian GP telecast.
Since Barichello signed on with BAR for next year, Taku is on the outside looking in. Too bad, he's been a good soldier for BAR, compared to JB who wanted out & actually signed on with Williams but now says he'll stay with BAR since BMW will be severing their partnership with Williams next year.:confused:
The switch to V8 next year was news to me.....I really need to keep in tune with new developments. I wonder if this will make the sport any better.....or worse?
I never imagined Schu to be eliminated from the Driver's championship at this stage of the game, Ferrari has had a miserable season & will have to work that much harder to regain top form next year. |
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Since Barichello signed on with BAR for next year, Taku is on the outside looking in. Too bad, he's been a good soldier for BAR, compared to JB who wanted out & actually signed on with Williams but now says he'll stay with BAR since BMW will be severing their partnership with Williams next year.:confused:
The switch to V8 next year was news to me.....I really need to keep in tune with new developments. I wonder if this will make the sport any better.....or worse?
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The latest Barrichello rumors now circulating is that BAR-Honda got him and he's to be traded with Williams in exchange for Jenson.
I'm not sure if the team is going to keep Takuma, it depends how good is his connection with Honda. Remember that Villeneuve got kicked out of the team to be replaced by him, but that was caused by their former management.
FIA wants to slow down the race cars for safety that's why they all agreed to use V8s next year.
This year's championship will be between Fernando and Kimi. There's still hope for Kimi but it's a long shot in my opinion. |
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2005 Belgian Grand Prix - Race 16 of 19 Official Race Result 9/11 Sun
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 30 : 01.295 10
2 Fernando Alonso Renault + 28.394 8
3 Jenson Button BAR-HONDA + 32.077 6 :7:
4 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 1:09.100 5
5 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1:18.100 4
6 Jaques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1:27.400 3
7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1:27.500 2
8 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 1
9 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1 laps 0
10 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
11 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 1 laps 0
12 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
13 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 3 laps 0
Retired
14 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes + 4 laps 0
15 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW + 5 laps 0
16 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 9 laps 0
17 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 26 laps 0
18 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 31 laps 0
19 Takuma Sato BAR-HONDA + 31 laps 0
20 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 34 laps 0
2005 Drivers Championship Points
Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 111
2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 86
3 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 55
4 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 50
5 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 43
6 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 41
7 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 37
8 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 35
9 Jenson Button British BAR-Honda 30
10 Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 29
23 Takuma Sato Japanese BAR-Honda 1
2005 Constructors Championship Points
Pos Constructor Points
1 Renault 152
2 McLaren-Mercedes 146
3 Ferrari 90
4 Toyota 80
5 Williams-BMW 59
6 BAR-Honda 31
7 Red Bull Racing 27
8 Sauber-Petronas 17
9 Jordan-Toyota 12
10 Minardi-Cosworth 7
Kimi Räikkönen kept his head in tricky conditions at Spa Francorchamps for his second Belgian win in two years. But it was a bittersweet win as Fernando Alonso moved ahead to second place after Juan Pablo Montoya was again hit from behind by a backmarker car in the final stages of the race just like in Turkey. Jenson Button drove strongly to carve his way up to third, thanks to Juan Pablo's accident.
The order remained the same, until lap ten when Giancarlo Fisichella lost control of his car in the legendary Eau Rouge corner and ended his race with a crash in the tire barrier. The safety car went out so race marshals could remove the wrecked Renault.
Takuma Sato hit the back of Michael Schumacher's Ferrari on the run down to La Source and both were out of the race. Schumacher walked over to the Japanese driver and gesticulated angrily and tapped on Takuma's helmet.
McLaren were one-two at this point of the race, but Montoya was hit from behind for the second time in three races when Williams-BMW driver Antonio Pizzonia bumped the rear corner of the Colombian's McLaren and both were out of it. The officials are going to investigate this incident.
Kimi Räikkönen kept his cool to cruise to victory almost half a minute ahead of Fernando Alonso.
Jenson Button fought his way up to third place with Mark Webber prospering from a switch to dry tires to finish fourth.
Rubens Barrichello claimed fifth ahead of a great drive from Jacques Villeneuve to finish sixth.
Ralf Schumacher recovered from his earlier tire change mistake to finish seventh ahead of a valiant drive from Tiago Monteiro - the only driver to have finished every single race this season - to claim another point for Jordan-Toyota.
Latest News:
Red Bull announced earlier on Saturday that they would acquire 100 per cent of the shares in the Minardi team by no later than November 1, 2005.
The next race will be at Sao Paulo Brazil two weeks from now on September 25th.
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| I did not pay much attention to thr first part of the season, so what happened to Ferrari? Did the FIA impose some kind of restictions on the team to slow them down or are their cars for this season just not that fast?:8: |
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Spa was an awesome race! Did anyone catch the save by JV? WOW :eek: Like father, like son, eh?
Pretty nice JB picked up a podium. We should thank Pizzonia, haha.
tallgood, without getting into too much detail with regards to new rules and regulations, Ferrari have been off the pace all season. Dominance in F1 is often cyclical. Ferrari's dominated the past 5 years much like back in the mid 80's through early 90's, Williams-Honda, then McLaren-Honda dominated. There's no way Ferrari would have stayed at the top. This year's been one of the best years in recent memory for me. Very exciting developments on and off the track. I definitely don't like the dumbing down of the rules. F1 is the absolute pinnacle of racing and motorsport technology and it should remain that way.
Anyway, GO KIMI!!! Chances are getting slimmer, but I still want him to win WDC! :cool: |
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| I am a big fun of M. Schumacher he seems to have lost his edge a little and Villeneuve just had one great season since joining F1 from the INDY program |
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I did not pay much attention to thr first part of the season, so what happened to Ferrari? Did the FIA impose some kind of restictions on the team to slow them down or are their cars for this season just not that fast?:8:
Their cars have not performed well, and even MS can't seem to get them to work. |
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| Just read where Jenson Button will pay the Williams F1 team an undisclosed agreed upon amount of money to stay with BAR and void the Williams retainer on his services for 2006. BAR will undoubtedly reimburse him. So its official....Jenson and Rubens at BAR-Honda for 2006. |
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2005 Brazilian Grand Prix - Race 17 of 19 Official Race Result 9/ 25 Sun
First of all a big Congrats to the 2005 Formula One drivers world champion Fernando Alonso of the Renault team. :7:
Pos. Driver Team Time Points
1 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1 : 29 : 20.400 10
2 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes + 2.527 8
3 Fernando Alonso Renault + 24.840 6
4 Michael Schumacher Ferrari + 35.668 5
5 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault + 40.218 4
6 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari + 1:09.173 3
7 Jenson Button BAR-Honda + 1 laps 2
8 Ralf Schumacher Toyota + 1 laps 1
9 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing + 1 laps 0
10 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda + 1 laps 0
11 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
12 Jaques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas + 1 laps 0
13 Jarno Trulli Toyota + 2 laps 0
14 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth + 2 laps 0
15 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota + 3 laps 0
Retired
16 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota + 16 laps 0
17 Mark Webber Williams-BMW + 22 laps 0
18 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth + 37 laps 0
19 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW + 71 laps 0
20 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing + 71 laps 0
2005 Drivers Championship Points
Pos Driver Nationality Team Points
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 117
2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 94
3 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 60
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