| front head rests, is it possilble to replace?
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| blacknight |
| They are not as comfortable as other cars. Anyone replaces them? Where and what brand? Thx. |
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| krygny |
As I, and others, have posted before, they're not head rests, they're head restraints. And they're not designed for comfort, they're designed to prevent, in a rear-end collision, your head from popping off your spine and flying through the back window like a mushy cannonball.
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| cwa107 |
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Originally posted by krygny
As I, and others, have posted before, they're not head rests, they're head restraints. And they're not designed for comfort, they're designed to prevent, in a rear-end collision, your head from popping off your spine and flying through the back window like a mushy cannonball.
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Yeah, but I don't think they'd even do that very well for taller passengers. My neck has to extend to a very unnatural position to even make contact with the head "restraint". Personally, I think they were designed with aesthetics in mind and not necessarily safety. If you look at a Volvo or another vehicle that has true head restraints, the restraint almost makes contact with the driver's head even when the driver is in a normal seated position. I'm fairly certain this is the reason for the redesign on the '06.
To answer the original question, I don't know that the aftermarket makes headrests that mount in the factory holes unless you're considering headrest-mounted LCDs (like the Visuallogic units). Of course they'll be a little on the pricey side if you don't need or want the LCDs. There's a chance that the '06 head restraints will attach, but since the adjusting lock is actually buried in the seatback on the 03-05 Pilot, I don't know that it would work very well. |
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| donx |
| I want to ask the same question, because the passengers back in the 2nd and 3rd rows kept complaining that the head rests from 1st row block their view. :( |
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| mthomas |
I agree, the headrestraints in the Pilot are weak. By the time your head touches the 'restraint' your neck has already transitioned through 70% flexion. Protection from all but the worst effects of sudden acceleration (impact) are negated because of it's rearward position. Some of the protection devices available today are amazing (Saab and Volvo), while other manufactures seem to miss the boat (despite significant safety efforts in other parts of the vehicle).
That being said, I will agree with the other poster, it will keep your head attached to your spine (see you in the hospital instead of the morgue). |
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| taolaoday |
The questions will be: Can the headrests of '06 Pilot fit with the previous, and are they usable for the heads to rest? How much are they and when are they available?
I just want to change them in my '05. |
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| cwa107 |
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Originally posted by taolaoday
The questions will be: Can the headrests of '06 Pilot fit with the previous, and are they usable for the heads to rest? How much are they and when are they available?
I just want to change them in my '05.
I'm going to say probably not (JMHO). If you look at the pictures of the 06 Headrests, you can see that the adjustment tab actually protrudes from the seatback. This allows you to rellease the lock and adjust headrest up and down.
Contrary to popular belief, the '03-05 Pilot's headrests ARE removable (although they're not supposed to be). They also have that same adjustment tab, but it's buried in the back of the seat instead of mounted at the opening in the seat back. The tab is the entry point for the headrest's steel polls. Since it's buried in the seat back, the polls for the '06 headrests are likely much shorter than the '03-05.
A good upholstery shop may be able to replace both the mounts and the headrests, but it's my belief that the costs would be prohibitive ($500+). |
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| steelblue |
| Being curious, I took the headrest off on my 05 and took some measurements. The steel poles spacing is 5 5/8” (outside to outside) and the length is 5”. Looking at wwong’s pictures of the 06 Pilot, the spacing might be the same. If the length is the same as the 2nd and 3rd roll headrests (10”), the 06 headrest might fit the earlier models. |
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| rocky |
| Sounds like it might be cheaper to have an upholstery shop custom rebuild your headrest for you |
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| ikkoku |
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Originally posted by taolaoday
The questions will be: Can the headrests of '06 Pilot fit with the previous, and are they usable for the heads to rest? How much are they and when are they available?
I just want to change them in my '05.
Sorry to dig up an old thread but have any1 verified whether the 06 front headrests fit the 05? |
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| tim.s |
| Not sure. But I do know that the leather is not trimmed under the "not movable" headreast like in the 03. In other words, if you remove the head reast on the 03 (and I'm guessing the 04 and 05), the holes where the head rest poles insert are about an inch in diameter and the leather just ends at the holes. There is now trim and the seat foam is visible for about an inch into the seat back. |
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| cwa107 |
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Originally posted by ikkoku
Sorry to dig up an old thread but have any1 verified whether the 06 front headrests fit the 05?
No, they don't. Someone measured the length of the posts on both headrests and they didn't match. Also, the sockets for the headrests are inset much deeper into the back of the seat on the '03-05, whereas in the '06, they are flush with the top of the seat back. |
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| RocketMan |
| You cannot replace the 03-05 head restraints with the new 06 head restaints. The distance is between the holes are different. |
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| evarsallona |
| How about exchanging the metal rods from the head rests |
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| ricam78 |
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Originally posted by RocketMan
You cannot replace the 03-05 head restraints with the new 06 head restaints. The distance is between the holes are different.
Is this an absolute 100% wont fit? I haev a great deal on a set from an 06 that I am about to pass up since they supposedly dont fit. How far off are they? Also, what are the changes that the posts can be made to fit? slim to none I assume.
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| iglesias |
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Originally posted by ricam78
Is this an absolute 100% wont fit? I haev a great deal on a set from an 06 that I am about to pass up since they supposedly dont fit. How far off are they? Also, what are the changes that the posts can be made to fit? slim to none I assume.
Rich
If you remove the ones from your 2005 you'll notice that the holes in the seat top are not finished... |
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| rocky |
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Originally posted by RocketMan
You cannot replace the 03-05 head restraints with the new 06 head restaints. The distance is between the holes are different.
This question comes up every few months. Rocketman is correct.
You'd be better off getting an upholstery shop to make something up.
One day I should take a photo of what Land Rover did to cover up and soften the awful plastic "brain beater" that they put on the early Discoveries. It might give you an idea of how to have this done. |
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| ricam78 |
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Originally posted by rocky
This question comes up every few months. Rocketman is correct.
You'd be better off getting an upholstery shop to make something up.
One day I should take a photo of what Land Rover did to cover up and soften the awful plastic "brain beater" that they put on the early Discoveries. It might give you an idea of how to have this done.
I am not too concerned about the holes, as I will be replacing it with a Vizualogic or Audiovox complete replacement headrest system, BUT the system was made for a 07. So my main concern is whether the posts are spaced the same and are the same diameter. And I am assuming that they need to have a catch or notch at the base tolock in place on the 03 seats. Do we know if the posts match up? |
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| ED27 |
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Originally posted by ricam78
.....So my main concern is whether the posts are spaced the same and are the same diameter. And I am assuming that they need to have a catch or notch at the base tolock in place on the 03 seats. Do we know if the posts match up?
This topic has been addressed before (search tool is your friend :D).....the post spacing is different from the '03-'05 Pilots to the '06 and up Pilots. One of our members adapted '06 headrests to his '05 by cutting one of the posts and re-welding it to the appropriate spacing - I'm not a big fan of this approach.
If you're getting an awesome deal on the '07 headrests - just buy them and sell on eBay. You'll probably make a big profit that you could use toward the appropriate Vizualogic model. |
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| ricam78 |
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Originally posted by ED27
This topic has been addressed before (search tool is your friend :D).....the post spacing is different from the '03-'05 Pilots to the '06 and up Pilots. One of our members adapted '06 headrests to his '05 by cutting one of the posts and re-welding it to the appropriate spacing - I'm not a big fan of this approach.
If you're getting an awesome deal on the '07 headrests - just buy them and sell on eBay. You'll probably make a big profit that you could use toward the appropriate Vizualogic model.
Understood. I actually missed the deal, but in my continued search, I noticed this one on a set of Invisions for a newer Pilot in tan leather.
Ebay Link
This is the third time it has been listed so I am sure he will take a good offer. Hope this is a deal someone might benefit from. I called around Houston to check and see how much it would cost to pull the leather and replace with a new color matched leather and I had anywhere from $75-$200 for the material and labor. (just in case anyone would be interested but doesnt have a tan interior). Oh well, I am going to keep searching and will probably end up with a universal headrest set from ebay. I would go for a overhead unit, but putting a hole in my headliner just seems so wrong.
Thanks again for the help.
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| ED27 |
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Originally posted by ricam78
.......Oh well, I am going to keep searching and will probably end up with a universal headrest set from ebay. I would go for a overhead unit, but putting a hole in my headliner just seems so wrong.
Thanks again for the help.
Rich
If I could do it over again, I would get the Vizualogic headrests (or something similar). The universal models with adjustable posts just look out-of-place on the Pilots and then there's the issue of color matching. As far as the overhead goes, the hole isn't too bad (typically a lot smaller than the unit itself) and something you would have there anyway if you got the RES from the factory. |
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| ricam78 |
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Originally posted by ED27
As far as the overhead goes, the hole isn't too bad (typically a lot smaller than the unit itself) and something you would have there anyway if you got the RES from the factory.
Good point. I might go that route as I too am finding myself having visual issues with the headrest monitors that arent made specifically for the Pilot. |
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