| Hammer5 |
| My wife is getting 13.5 mpg around town with her 2003 EX with 23k miles. Does this seem a bit low to anyone? Is there something mechanical that could be causing this? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! |
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| ramirami |
| if by around town you mean "in town driving"...then its about right for that |
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| H0NDA |
| I'm in the same boat. My pilot only has 2100 miles, and I can't exceed 16mpg city/highway. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong such as punching the gas just to get to the next red light, to get that poor mpg :confused: |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by Hammer5
My wife is getting 13.5 mpg around town with her 2003 EX with 23k miles. Does this seem a bit low to anyone? Is there something mechanical that could be causing this? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
12 mpg is the minimum city mpg I have seen posted, so you are in the ballpark. The problem is that there is a large mpg range with this engine. It seems very sensitive to city driving conditions. Drive extra carefully and you get great mileage. Drive like normal (A/C on, accelerate with traffic, etc) and mpg drops quickly. |
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| sfhondapilot |
| 13.5 mpg is just about what I get on the Pilot in 100% city driving (2003 with 19,000 miles on the odometer). |
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| cwa107 |
| That's not at all unusual. Go easy on the pedals, get rid of unneccesary weight and remember that exterior accessories like deflectors and side steps/ruuning boards add weight and drag. |
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| PTO |
| I don't undertand why everyone gets such low MPG. We have 20,000 miles on our Pilot and I have not once gotten below 19. That is a combination of city and hwy rush hour driving. |
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| CMasten |
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Originally posted by PTO
I don't undertand why everyone gets such low MPG. We have 20,000 miles on our Pilot and I have not once gotten below 19. That is a combination of city and hwy rush hour driving.
Ditto.. |
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| jcantanixon |
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Originally posted by PTO
I don't undertand why everyone gets such low MPG. We have 20,000 miles on our Pilot and I have not once gotten below 19. That is a combination of city and hwy rush hour driving.
Altitude probably has some effect, although I'm sure the biggest factor in mpg is the lead content in your lower dextral extremity. |
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| PTO |
quote:
Originally posted by jcantanixon
Altitude probably has some effect, although I'm sure the biggest factor in mpg is the lead content in your lower dextral extremity.
Even in my 480 hp Camaro I get 19 mpg so maybe I am a little more light footed then most. |
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| dragoncoach |
| You're in the range. My city driving mpg is around 15. Not too bad considering we do a lot of stop and go is on the hills of the city which just ruins gas mileage. Camaros may get good mileage, but Vetts get great mileage too. You have to factor in the weight of the vehicle as well as vehicle drag when considering mpg and you can't compare an SUV to a passenger car. |
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| CMasten |
| I added about 4 lbs of air to my tires all around.. they were 32 and now I run them at 36, I noticed about 19 mpg on mostly stop and go city this last tank, up from about 16/17... just tossing that out there. |
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| Sportymonk |
I raised mine from 32 to 34 and just raised them to 36 like you. Might take the full size spare off unless I am on a trip or towing. Wonder if the crossbars cause much drag?
In 6036 miles since June 29th, lowest is 13.27 and best is 23.28 (never seen again). Lots of 17.8 to 20.5s. Average overall is 19.55. I am happy cause I have a Honda and I have a vehicle that meets my needs. (ok, so it doesn't print money, but other than that!)
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Originally posted by CMasten
I added about 4 lbs of air to my tires all around.. they were 32 and now I run them at 36, I noticed about 19 mpg on mostly stop and go city this last tank, up from about 16/17... just tossing that out there.
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| cwa107 |
Ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to..... Yet Another Gas Mileage Thread! (YAGMT).
I'm taking bets - odds are this one will go about 3 pages - any takers?
:2: |
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| CMasten |
quote:
Originally posted by cwa107
Ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to..... Yet Another Gas Mileage Thread! (YAGMT).
I'm taking bets - odds are this one will go about 3 pages - any takers?
:2:
so the fact that I added 4 lbs to my tires and saw a noticeable inprovement in my mileage sharing the results with our piloters was the point... the fact that this type of thread goes on and on might mean there is some interest
yea Ill take the bet.. I say 4+ |
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| tangotango99 |
| make sure the AC is off |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by tangotango99
make sure the AC is off
No way!
Its AC off windows open under 30 MPH, and windows closed AC on over 30 MPH.:2: :2: :2: |
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| colorider |
quote:
Originally posted by CMasten
so the fact that I added 4 lbs to my tires and saw a noticeable inprovement in my mileage sharing the results with our piloters was the point... the fact that this type of thread goes on and on might mean there is some interest
yea Ill take the bet.. I say 4+
I'll see your 4 and raise you one!! :D
BTW, I run 36-38 in mine. I used to get in the mid 20's pretty regular on the highway with my Pilot. So far, the RidgeLine is off by about 2-3mpg from what I got on the Pilot.
YMMV |
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| Quahogboy |
| The one thing that surprises me is that I typically get the same or better mileage with my 2000 V8 Tundra. I was getting around 17 and now that I use the 2,000 RPM rule I am getting around 20 mpg city driving. My wife drives the Pilot like she stole it so her mileage may vary.... |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by Quahogboy
The one thing that surprises me is that I typically get the same or better mileage with my 2000 V8 Tundra. I was getting around 17 and now that I use the 2,000 RPM rule I am getting around 20 mpg city driving. My wife drives the Pilot like she stole it so her mileage may vary....
Doesn't surprise me at all. My 5.3L V8 mpg is equivalent to the Pilots without the wife driving it like she stole it.......... |
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| tangotango99 |
Edmunds.com's True Cost to Drive (TCD) — 3,000 Road Trip
Model Year Make Model Fuel Cost Maintenance Cost Total Cost Cost Per Mile
2005 Acura MDX $467 $88 $554 $0.18
2005 Acura NSX $455 $69 $525 $0.17
2005 Acura RL $424 $67 $492 $0.16
2005 Acura RSX $319 $40 $359 $0.12
2005 Acura TL $381 $67 $447 $0.15
2005 Acura TSX $359 $40 $399 $0.13
2005 BMW 3 Series $390 $0 $390 $0.13
2005 BMW 5 Series $405 $0 $405 $0.13
2005 BMW 6 Series $468 $0 $468 $0.16
2005 BMW 7 Series $458 $0 $458 $0.15
2005 BMW M3 $472 $0 $472 $0.16
2005 BMW X3 $439 $0 $439 $0.15
2005 BMW X5 $544 $0 $544 $0.18
2005 BMW Z4 $381 $0 $381 $0.13
2005 Honda Accord $327 $38 $365 $0.12
2005 Honda Civic $269 $63 $332 $0.11
2005 Honda CR-V $381 $44 $425 $0.14
2005 Honda Element $410 $44 $454 $0.15
2005 Honda Insight $157 $78 $235 $0.08
2005 Honda Odyssey $399 $68 $467 $0.16
2005 Honda Pilot $479 $88 $567 $0.19
2005 Honda S2000 $416 $82 $498 $0.17
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| CMasten |
quote:
Originally posted by CMasten
Depends on how you look at this. If I was taking our baseball team up to a playoff somewhere,
The price per player to get them up there would be:
MDX 79.14 (7 players)
Pilot 70.88 (8 players)
So the Pilot is still a less expensive Kid hauler :)
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| tangotango99 |
CMasten,
I will buy that thought |
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| lee45 |
| It is low given that I get 21-24mpg. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by lee45
It is low given that I get 21-24mpg.
In city driving (or around town as Hammer5 put it)? |
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| prijo |
| I track mine on their child site of columbusgasprices.com. Your mileage REALLY depends on how and where you drive. See my last 31 fillups attached here and you can see that once I got 9MPG (outer banks, drove 3 miles in 1 hour) and up to 22+MPG (pure highway driving). Sometimes when I only drive to school to get my kid and back (1 mile), i only get 13 MPG, it all depends! Everyones experience will be different! |
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| noreen |
| i have the same problem. when purchased pilot listed 16 town 22 hwy. i get 13/15 in town and 16/19 hwy |
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| Jet-Pilot-64 |
quote:
Originally posted by PTO
I don't undertand why everyone gets such low MPG. We have 20,000 miles on our Pilot and I have not once gotten below 19. That is a combination of city and hwy rush hour driving.
Me too! |
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| Magill |
| I am new to this site - just curious why no one is screaming about the ridiculous gas mileage on these Pilots. I have a 2005 with less than 9000 miles (bought it new) and I can't get over 13.5 in town and averages 16 if I take several highway trips. I want my suburban back! I am convinced there is a mechanical problem with these cars that Honda is avoiding. Any suggestions! |
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| colorider |
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Originally posted by Magill
I am new to this site - just curious why no one is screaming about the ridiculous gas mileage on these Pilots. I have a 2005 with less than 9000 miles (bought it new) and I can't get over 13.5 in town and averages 16 if I take several highway trips. I want my suburban back! I am convinced there is a mechanical problem with these cars that Honda is avoiding. Any suggestions!
Welcome to the forum.
Have you done any form of a search here for some of the items that contribute to poor mileage (with ANY vehicle)??? I think you will find that there are far more getting mileage numbers close to EPA than not.
YMMV |
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| MiOdy81 |
Here are my thoughts on the subject, for what it's worth:
2005 pilot EX-L
3,000 miles so far
I have kept track of mileage so far. Lowest tank was 13.6 MPG (first tank), highest was 17.1. Average for all miles to date is 15.9 MPG. My commute to work is about 5 miles, stop & go, never over 35 MPH. However, several tanks were freeway driving. I usually cruise at 75 mph. I am not a lead-foot, although I occasionally take advantage of the great acceleration the Pilot has.
I have been disapointed to say the least. I traded a '96 Toyota Landcruiser in part to save money on fuel, but I am doing worse with the Pilot. After reading the forums (great info; thanks!), I decided to check my tires. I have a very accurate tire gauge (important!). All 4 tires were at 28 lbs. The manual calls for 32 lbs. cold. I'm not sure if they came from the dealer at 28. I was planning on going to 34 after reading the forum, so we'll see if another 6 lbs. per tire makes a difference. I will keep track of the mileage and report back on the results. I will also check the tire pressure once a week to see if they are slowly losing pressure or if the dealer set them at 28.
Another good suggestion I am seeing - the "auto" setting on the HVAC system seems to always turn the A/C compressor on. Most of the time that is overkill (at least here in Michigan). Use the A/C button to turn the A/C compressor off. |
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| rocky |
quote:
Originally posted by Magill
I am new to this site - just curious why no one is screaming about the ridiculous gas mileage on these Pilots. I have a 2005 with less than 9000 miles (bought it new) and I can't get over 13.5 in town and averages 16 if I take several highway trips. I want my suburban back! I am convinced there is a mechanical problem with these cars that Honda is avoiding. Any suggestions!
First post and complaint, sometimes indicates a troll. let ask a question
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| cwa107 |
quote:
Originally posted by Magill
I am new to this site - just curious why no one is screaming about the ridiculous gas mileage on these Pilots. I have a 2005 with less than 9000 miles (bought it new) and I can't get over 13.5 in town and averages 16 if I take several highway trips. I want my suburban back! I am convinced there is a mechanical problem with these cars that Honda is avoiding. Any suggestions!
A few things:
1. If you've added any exterior accessories (running boards, side steps, bug deflectors) these can degrade mileage.
2. If you drive with the climate control on FULL AUTO, make sure you turn the A/C off it you don't need it.
3. Roof-top carriers and towing will degrade mileage severely.
4. Mileage tends to improve as the vehicle breaks-in. At 9000 miles, you should definitely start seeing an improvement.
5. Check your tire's air pressure. Somewhere between 32-38PSI is the sweet spot.
6. For a period of three gas tanks, try carefully metering the throttle. Keep it under 3000 RPM at all times regardless of the situation. When it's not necessary, don't exceed 2000 RPM. You should see a drastic difference. If not, take it into the dealer. You should definitely be getting better than 16MPG on the average (especially with highway driving).
...Just a few thoughts. I was initially dissapointed with my '05s mileage, but it has improved dramatically as the car has broken in. I'm now averaging more like 17 MPG, just by paying a little more attention to how I drive it.
Also, taking off the WeatherTech Stone/Bug deflector netted a 2 MPG increase over 3 tankfulls. |
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| Magill |
| I am afraid there is nothing mechanical wrong with these cars - just something inherantly wrong with how they are being marketed. I am certain that Honda never thought these cars would get the kind of mileage they are advertising and the EPA even admits publicly that their testing procedures are outdated and inaccurate. We are all just screwed because we believed a car dealer - how stupid is that! :3: |
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| il38694 |
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Originally posted by cwa107
Also, taking off the WeatherTech Stone/Bug deflector netted a 2 MPG increase over 3 tankfulls.
I have the Weathertech deflector and I get worser mileage than before. Do you use the deflector any more? |
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| cwa107 |
quote:
Originally posted by il38694
I have the Weathertech deflector and I get worser mileage than before. Do you use the deflector any more?
Yup, although I've been thinking about switching over to a different model or another alternative. I took it off just to see if there would be a difference and sure enough, there was. |
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| area123 |
| I just bought an 04 w/ 48k miles. My first tank was almost 24mpg (23.somthing, can't recall). This was mainly interstate at 80mph w/ ac running all the way. |
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| prijo |
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Originally posted by il38694
I have the Weathertech deflector and I get worser mileage than before. Do you use the deflector any more?
I have the weathertech and have not noticed a difference in gas mileage. Has anyone measured the actual difference in gas mileage? |
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| bjlakatos |
Hers (16k mi) gets 18-20mpg
His (<1k mi) gets 17mpg
I am definately hoping for an improvement after the engine breaks in. Of course, this is a huge drop from my 03 EXV6 accord. I got 23mpg on the first couple tanks and maxed out at 26...driving like i stole it. Typical was around 22mpg.
Based on the relative comparision from the accord to the pilot, the extra 5mpg it costs me to drive the pilot is WELL worth it. What a nice ride. |
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| tangotango99 |
quote:
Originally posted by il38694
I have the Weathertech deflector and I get worser mileage than before. Do you use the deflector any more?
A bug deflector will have O effect on your gas mileage. |
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| CMasten |
| Mine is an 05 and I am just coming up on 11,000 miles. I do about 50/50 city and freeway and I am pleased to find it getting consistent. I got exactly 20mph combined this weekend. The weather here has been clear and sunny so its been smooth sailing everywhere, other than traffic of course. |
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| bahondaguy |
My 2006 EX-L has about 880 miles on it now and the first four tanks went something like this.
First Tank - 14.7MPG
Second Tank - 12.5MPG
Third - 12.5 MPG
Fourth - 10.75MPG
Yes, I average a little over 200 miles a tankful now!!
You wanna talk poor mileage. I got yer poor mileage right here! :3:
Anyway, I called the dealer and speok to salesperson and service they gave me the song and dance about wait til 1000 miles..
I really like my Pilot except for the mileage. I am not a leadfoot and I increased the air in the tires to 32 all around. No towing or heavy loads, I get 87 octane gas, no high windws or off roading (yet) and I have not red-lined it yet. I have 3 kids under 12 and we are not heavy. Have hood deflector, moonroof deflector and cross bars, but hood and moonroof deflector were added on about middle of 3rd tank. No use for A/C except momentarily during defrost here in the Pacific Northwest..
Admit we do alot of stop and go, but 10.75?? That's ridiculous.
I hope this goes up to at least 15MPG after break=in, but I really doubt it.
Pray for better mileage.... Or I will be talking to American Honda soon. |
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| Sportymonk |
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Originally posted by bahondaguy
My 2006 EX-L has about 880 miles on it now and the first four tanks went something like this.
First Tank - 14.7MPG
Second Tank - 12.5MPG
Third - 12.5 MPG
Fourth - 10.75MPG
Admit we do alot of stop and go, but 10.75?? That's ridiculous.
From my personal experience, I got one tank at 13.5 and I was floored but the rest are in the 17 - 22 range.
Some comments:
1. The first tank you can't count as you don't know the mileage the dealer filled up at or if he filled it up all the way, the gauge is not reliable. I discounted my first 250 miles at which point I filled it up for the first time.
Frequent fill ups are not as accurate as longer intervals. If you fill up every 100 miles (which you aren't) you will not get as accurate a reading as filling up every 350. There is a slight difference on when the pump shuts off and how much you round it off at fill up. The longer you go between fill-ups mileage wise, the less the effect becomes.
2. While highway driving can be fairly easy to define, 65 - 70 on cruise is realistic optimum (50 is best but you get killed that way), city driving is impossible to quantify. Some just hit a few lights, some hit a lot of lights. Some lights are longer. City driving in Atlanta GA on the downtown connector (I-75/85) at 4:30 Friday afternoon is a lot worse on mileage than city driving in Rocky Mount NC. One good overturned truck can dramatically change city mileage.
3. Personal driving has a bigger impact on city than highway as highway is just steady cruising.
Try waiting to fill up until the tank is a little lower, sounds like you are filling up at about a half a tank. Then again, heavy city driving will cut it down quick.
BTW, are you sure the dealer did the PCM calibration? You may want to reset the PCM again to make sure.Edited to correct acronym from PMI to PCM. (Now I got to go PPP :p ) |
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| Honda7 |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
BTW, are you sure the dealer did the PMI calibration? You may want to reset the PMI again to make sure.
What is "PMI calibration"? Since I get quite low on MPG also, but after I pumped up to 33 psi from 29 psi (weather suddenly got colder), and noticed quite an improvement. 16.8 L/100km @ 29 psi, 12.2 L/100 km @ 33 psi. Not sure in terms of MPG though. |
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| Sportymonk |
quote:
Originally posted by Honda7
What is "PMI calibration"? Since I get quite low on MPG also, but after I pumped up to 33 psi from 29 psi (weather suddenly got colder), and noticed quite an improvement. 16.8 L/100km @ 29 psi, 12.2 L/100 km @ 33 psi. Not sure in terms of MPG though.
My mistake (old timers memory). The correct acronym is PCM (no wonder I had trouble finding a link) and the link is here.
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/sh...light=Checklist
If it isn't done on pre-delivery or anytime the battery is disconnected for a while (like putting a new battery in) gas mileage can do down the toilet. |
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| bahondaguy |
Points well taken.
1. I do not fill at half tank. I usually fill soon after it hits 1/4 tank or less remaining.
2. I called the dealership and they insisted that they did the Idle Learn Procedure during the PDI (Pre-Delivery Inspection), but they'd be happy to do it again. This can be performed by me, but I'd rather have them do it.
3. Still, the 10.75MPG is a killer.:eek: After raising my tires to 32psi this tank full, I will see how much that improves.
4. I have not noticed any major dragging, but I suppose when the brakes drag less and the bearings and whatnot are all rolling better, I might get an increase soon.
Tires are Goodyear Integrity (I know, they supposedly suck, but they are ok so far.) I'm shooting for 15MPG, so keep your fingers crossed!!
Cheers |
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