| jun0602 |
| Can someone tell me where I can find the VSS wire in 2006 pilot? I've looked at gauge assembly unit, but don't see any Blue/White wire. It looks like there was some change in 2006 as there are only 2 connectors to the gauge assembly unit intead of 3. Any help is appreciated |
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| ED27 |
| According to Helm Inc., the '06 Service Manual has not been released to consumers yet. If that's the case, no one on this forum can help at this time. I would check with some local car audio shops to see if their technical resources would know. Also, ask the service dept. at your local dealer to see if they can help....I'm sure they have the service manual already. Good luck! |
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| OnHonda11 |
| Yes, however I believe a Honda Dealer technician is a member here who may be able to help. Anyone remember who that is that may be able to check their books at work? |
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| Cali_Pilot |
| The tech is HondaMan2 but I haven't seen him post lately so it might be a long shot trying to get help from him. |
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| jun0602 |
Can you tell me where to look for this VSS wire? I tired the 2 connectors to the gauge assembly without success. I heard VTM4 ecu may have the VSS wire. Can anyone tell me where this is?
Thanks for all your replies. |
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| ED27 |
Honda typically doesn't change a lot of their wire colors across their model range. The VSS wire is usually one of them (blu/wht). It's the same wire in my '97 Prelude for example. In the Pilot, the VSS circuit is typically connected to the driver's multiplex unit, the gauge assembly, cruise control, climate control and NAV.
The climate control unit is easy to get to. There are two harnesses that plug into it. Look on the flat 30-pin connector for a blu/wht wire. In the '04 models, it's pin #1. If you find this wire, test it appropriately with a DMM. |
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| jun0602 |
I'll give the climate control unit a try. I hopy they haven't changed it.
Thanks. |
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| jun0602 |
| There is only one harness that plugs into my LX. It is 30 pin but no VSS signal. I give up. Seems to work fine without VSS for now. |
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| john802 |
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Originally posted by jun0602
Can you tell me where to look for this VSS wire? I tired the 2 connectors to the gauge assembly without success. I heard VTM4 ecu may have the VSS wire. Can anyone tell me where this is?
Thanks for all your replies.
Check the gauge assembly 30P connector. It's pin #27(BLU/Wht). You can also check the PCM 32P connector. It's pin #9(Blu/Wht). |
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| jun0602 |
| I checked the gauge assembly without success. Definitely no Blue/White wire to gauge assembly. Where can I find the PCM connector? |
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| john802 |
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Originally posted by jun0602
I checked the gauge assembly without success. Definitely no Blue/White wire to gauge assembly. Where can I find the PCM connector?
Are you sure you check the gauge assembly connector for the blu/white stripe wire? All gauge assembly must have a vehicle speed sensor wire connection, unless Honda change the color coding of the VSS wire.:confused: |
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| nguyenzpry |
hey jun0602, i have the lx too, and im struggling just like you looking for the VSS wire. If you got any leads, please let know. The PCM is in the middle under the dash, but it's really hard to get down there.
Hey how did you connect your back-up wire? I tried to tap it into the light in the back, but the voltage doesnt reference to ground. They used v- and v+ or something like that, so you cant get 12v unless you go accross two wires of the light, very weird. Thanks |
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| ED27 |
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Originally posted by nguyenzpry
hey jun0602, i have the lx too, and im struggling just like you looking for the VSS wire. If you got any leads, please let know. The PCM is in the middle under the dash, but it's really hard to get down there.
Hey how did you connect your back-up wire? I tried to tap it into the light in the back, but the voltage doesnt reference to ground. They used v- and v+ or something like that, so you cant get 12v unless you go accross two wires of the light, very weird. Thanks
Did you check any of the references John made? You should be able to find the VSS wire in one of the instrument cluster harnesses. If the cluster is the same as the '04 models, check the harness that plugs into the middle of the cluster...aprox. 30 pins |
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| nguyenzpry |
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Originally posted by ED27
Did you check any of the references John made? You should be able to find the VSS wire in one of the instrument cluster harnesses. If the cluster is the same as the '04 models, check the harness that plugs into the middle of the cluster...aprox. 30 pins
the service rep at the honda dealer said that the wiring harness changed completely in the 06 model. That was why they had problems installing the alarm upgrade on my car, so i dont know. What im planning to do is to have my girl drive around while i'll be testing each wire coming into the gauge. From most people posts, it seems like it'll be in the 32-pin connector.
For the reverse wire, i thought that when you're in reverse gear, you want 12V to indicate that it's in reverse? From the other thread you said that a ground will be present when you're in reverse... |
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| John M |
The reverse wire can be tapped into at the passenger side floor A pillar kick panel. There are several multi pin connectors down there. You'll want to find the green wire with black stripe if memory serves me. You can confirm the wire color by pulling the trim panel off the tail gate that allows access to change the reverse bulbs. The AVIC looks for 12V when in reverse. The green wire with black stripe will do this. Again..."A" pillar kick panel, passenger side...one of the multipin connectors.
VSS....looked all over the instrument cluster for that puppy without luck. Tested several wires. 06 cluster wiring is different. On my EXL I did finally locate it on the AC climate control cluster as a sky blue wire with white stripe. It was in a corner position on the multipin connector.
You can test by temp'ing the connection into the wire in question. Turn the AVIC on and set it on the screen that generates the beep for the pulse gen, then back up and pull forward. Hear beeping with motion...you are done. If not...test another wire.
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| ED27 |
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Originally posted by nguyenzpry
For the reverse wire, i thought that when you're in reverse gear, you want 12V to indicate that it's in reverse? From the other thread you said that a ground will be present when you're in reverse...
My mistake....the white wire I spoke of is the ground trigger (coil side) for the reverse relay located on the back of the driver's fuse box.
John M has the correct wire to look for (green/black). If the '06 is the same as the '04, it's a 24-pin light blue connector at the bottom of the passenger side fusebox. In addition, you can tap the same wire at the reverse relay as well - you'll have to unbolt the driver's side fusebox to gain access to the relay. |
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| nguyenzpry |
| thanks for all your help guys, im gonna try it and see... |
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| nguyenzpry |
| got trouble.. i was looking for the VSS wire on the gauge. unpluged the connectors to check for the pulse. Now the engine's light is on. i read the manual and it said emission errors or something like that? anyone know how to reset this??? still did not find the VSS wire by the way |
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| nguyenzpry |
| nevermind i reset the light by removing battery from engine for a little bit then reconnected. I found the reverse wire, yes GREEN w/BLK Stripe. Still no luck on the VSS wire guys. Anyone with helm manual??? i need a little help please |
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| larrys |
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Originally posted by nguyenzpry
the service rep at the honda dealer said that the wiring harness changed completely in the 06 model. That was why they had problems installing the alarm upgrade on my car, so i dont know. What im planning to do is to have my girl drive around while i'll be testing each wire coming into the gauge. From most people posts, it seems like it'll be in the 32-pin connector.
For the reverse wire, i thought that when you're in reverse gear, you want 12V to indicate that it's in reverse? From the other thread you said that a ground will be present when you're in reverse...
OK everyone, I've posted a new thread that I hope can answer everyone's questions... if it's for an '06. Here's the new thread:
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/fo...p?s=&forumid=19
Good luck everyone!
Larry. |
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| larrys |
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Originally posted by nguyenzpry
got trouble.. i was looking for the VSS wire on the gauge. unpluged the connectors to check for the pulse. Now the engine's light is on. i read the manual and it said emission errors or something like that? anyone know how to reset this??? still did not find the VSS wire by the way
There isn't any VSS wire going into the navigation system. The VSS wire goes to the PCM which converts it to the VSP (Vehicle Speed Pulse). The VSP wire is in connector C (8P), terminal number 6. See this thread for all of the details: http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/fo...p?s=&forumid=19
Good luck!
Larry. |
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| John M |
Hey Larry:
Excellent post BTW on the NAV 06 connections. But, I wanted to see if you could possibly provide the gauge cluster connections and AC control connections for both LX and EX if they contain the pulse wire. Cluster should be the same for both EX and LX. AC wiring is likely different.
The problem is that Honda didn't waste any wiring. So if your vehicle didn't come with factory NAV....the harness is not there. On my 06 EXL w/o NAV or RES I found the speed pulse off the AC control connector at one of the corner positions. But LX doesn't share the auto climate control unit. So probably different harness as well. Best case scenario would be to direct people to the cluster if we knew what wire and which of the several connectors. And the 06 wiring at the cluster is different from previous years.
Anyway...thanks for your post and any further help you can provide. |
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| larrys |
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Originally posted by John M
Hey Larry:
Excellent post BTW on the NAV 06 connections. But, I wanted to see if you could possibly provide the gauge cluster connections and AC control connections for both LX and EX if they contain the pulse wire. Cluster should be the same for both EX and LX. AC wiring is likely different.
The problem is that Honda didn't waste any wiring. So if your vehicle didn't come with factory NAV....the harness is not there. On my 06 EXL w/o NAV or RES I found the speed pulse off the AC control connector at one of the corner positions. But LX doesn't share the auto climate control unit. So probably different harness as well. Best case scenario would be to direct people to the cluster if we knew what wire and which of the several connectors. And the 06 wiring at the cluster is different from previous years.
Anyway...thanks for your post and any further help you can provide.
John,
I just took a look and found the section where they describe the instrument cluster. They show it has two connectors but I couldn't find the part with the table describing each pin. They do show some wiring diagrams but I didn't see any VSP labels.
If you really don't want to spend the $$ for the service manual, maybe your local Honda dealer will let you take a peek into their copy?
But, if you can afford it, I still highly recommend buying a copy of it. If it saves you one trip to the dealer for some service, it paid for itself right there!
Sorry I couldn't find your info.
Good luck!
Larry. |
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| nguyenzpry |
John, I'm pretty sure that the gauge cluster has different kind of pulse. I did this test in the park. The speedometer pulse is somewhere in the smaller connector for LX. I checked every pins of that connector while driving around the park (in the parking with no people around of course). There was one pin .....one of the corner pin had a pulse, but the pulse was to high. It was going up to like 30 something pulses while driving 10mph. That's not right.
Larry so you're saying VSS is different from VSP? which one is the 0V-5V? Since i have the lx, i dont have connector C(8p). Could you tell me the connector and pin number of the VSP coming out of the PCM? |
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| nguyenzpry |
YES!!!! i found the VSS wire for the 2006 Pilot LX guys. PCM Connector A pin 29 blu/wht. I ordered helm manual couple days ago after searching for that damn signal. You're gonna have to tap this signal from the PCM in the engine compartment. So if you're standing in front of your car, the PCM should be on the left side. here are some pictures from the manual:
Hope this helps, enjoy!
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| charly |
guys i need to knwo, how do you test a wire to see if thet wire is the vss..
what tools do i need and where i can buy them thaks, and what i have to do. |
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| nguyenzpry |
charly,
It's tricky to test this signal because the car has to be moving. That was why I had to buy the manual. You can confirm it after tapping the wire by using the calibration menu of the navigation device. It should beep faster when you accelerate. I hope that helps. I know the links to the pictures are bad, so If you need pictures contact me at dinhnguyen_k@yahoo.com and i'll be more than happy to help. Just make sure you provide me the year and model of your pilot. |
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| GregC |
After reviewing my electronics manual another time, for the LX owners, your best bet is to tap the VSS blue/white wire that is located behind the glove box on the passenger side of the car.
It is located in a white connector (C204). It is acutally pin number 16 in that white connector. If you open the glove box all the way and just pull on the rear wall of the glove box to peak behind it, you will see some connectors back there. You might actually see the blue/white wire
You will have to remove the glove box to gain better access. This blue/white VSS wire comes into the car thru the firewall from the PCM. I think this is a lot easier since you don't have to go thru the fire wall!!!
Good luck. Someone please report back if they were successful in this VSS position.
Thanks,
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| GregC |
Here are some pics I took out of my 2006-2007 Honda Pilot Electronics Troubleshooting Manual.
From the PCM in the engine bay, the VSS wire comes into the car on the passenger side at connector C204 pin #16. See wire schematic:
This next pic below shows the location of the C204 White 20pin Connector located behind the glove box. For those with the same manual, look at page 201-19 for the pic.
This next pic below shows a drawing of the pins in the C204 White connector and the VSS wire is blue/white, pin #16.
I hope this helps clarify where the VSS wire is located in a 2006-2007 LX. I'm guessing it will be located in the same place in previous years models. As you can see in the wire schematic, the locations in the EX and EX-l models with or without Nav.
Of course you can always try to look for it at the driver's multiplex connector, but it is a real pain in the butt to get to that connector. The removal of the glove box seems to be the easiest method.
Someone please help me confirm my findings.
Thanks,
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| funk3r |
| Could someone explain what the "passenger side floor A pillar kick panel" is? I'm looking for the reverse wire but I can't find it. |
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| ED27 |
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Originally posted by funk3r
Could someone explain what the "passenger side floor A pillar kick panel" is? I'm looking for the reverse wire but I can't find it.
Sit in the front passenger seat in the normal position. The panel in question will be to the right of your right foot. You should be able to touch it with your foot. To remove that panel, you may have to remove one or more adjacent panels. |
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| funk3r |
| Thanks for the clarification, do you know where I can find a tutorial of how to remove the surrounding panels and the A pillar kick panel to access the reverse wire? I originally hooked it up to the white wire near the VSS wire behind the glove compartment. |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by funk3r
Thanks for the clarification, do you know where I can find a tutorial of how to remove the surrounding panels and the A pillar kick panel to access the reverse wire? I originally hooked it up to the white wire near the VSS wire behind the glove compartment.
Try collegehillshonda.com/parts...I am having a hardtime finding VSS and BACKUP wires for 04 EXL too. I installed my avic-f90bt,I need the two wires connected. |
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| funk3r |
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Originally posted by tangotango99
Try collegehillshonda.com/parts...I am having a hardtime finding VSS and BACKUP wires for 04 EXL too. I installed my avic-f90bt,I need the two wires connected.
lol, I finished my install back in May. There are some schematics around here with the 04 wiring for the VSS wire. I never got around to getting to the Backup wire. However, the unit works fine without it, it just auto updates after 5 seconds of driving, so reversing isn't really a problem. |
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| charly |
Just a picture of where my 07 has the reverse wire at the pasenger side, and the color is a green with black wire, with a voltmeter you should be able to test it.
when swhitch to reverse.
And the VSS wire they could never found it. They even said mi Pilot don't have one..Is that true.? |
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| funk3r |
| Charly, they're just being lazy, I managed to hook the VSS wire up in my 06' EXL, I'm pretty sure the 07 has the same wiring, I found the schematics on this forum. If I remember correctly, it is located behind the glove compartment, it is blue/white wire, check the second page of this thread, there are pictures of it. |
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| charly |
Thanks FUNK3R I'll try to do that tomorro..
and tell you guys the diference,
right now my VSS wire from my Navi. is unhooked and it works fine.. |
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| charly |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by funk3r
[B]Charly, they're just being lazy, I managed to hook the VSS wire up in my 06' EXL, I'm pretty sure the 07 has the same wiring,
You were right the VSS wire is the blue/white behind the glove compartment..
I was able to tap to it very easy..
and Yes there is a difference on my Navi. is more steady.
and no I get the speed Pulse and accuracy levels reading..
Thanks after 1year + I finally found it... |
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| funk3r |
| Great to hear Charly! Hopefully other people will find this thread and are able to install their aftermarket units. |
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