| Hannahsmommy |
| Just got my new 06 Pilot in Feb. Around March I was driving down the street and hear a humming that seemed to come from my engine. I didnt think twice about it until 2 days later when it happened again. Its a deep humm, sounds like I had WOOFER in my car. Its been getting worse, every time i drive between 45 and 55 i hear this humm which now can be heard through out the whole car. I took it in and they said it was a noise control system that had to be replaced. They replaced it and the noise is not gone. Everytime we hear the noise my 20 month old starts crying ( im serious guys, it's loud) . Im taking it in again today, but they keep making me drive the car instead of giving me a loaner. How do they know that its not just going to stall on the highway and leave me stranded? Anyway, im very frustrated. Has anybody heard of anything like this?:( |
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| mtryb |
You don't say which version of the Pilot you bought. If you have a 2WD EX, it has active noise cancellation. If the microphone of the processor for this unit performs incorrectly, if could cause some strange humming noises.
If they are waiting on parts, ask if the system can be disconnected while they wait for the parts. I am not familiar enough with the system to know how to do this myself.
Good luck
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| Scoobs |
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Originally posted by Hannahsmommy
Just got my new 06 Pilot in Feb. Around March I was driving down the street and hear a humming that seemed to come from my engine. I didnt think twice about it until 2 days later when it happened again. Its a deep humm, sounds like I had WOOFER in my car. Its been getting worse, every time i drive between 45 and 55 i hear this humm which now can be heard through out the whole car. I took it in and they said it was a noise control system that had to be replaced. They replaced it and the noise is not gone. Everytime we hear the noise my 20 month old starts crying ( im serious guys, it's loud) . Im taking it in again today, but they keep making me drive the car instead of giving me a loaner. How do they know that its not just going to stall on the highway and leave me stranded? Anyway, im very frustrated. Has anybody heard of anything like this?:(
FWD or AWD Pilot ?
Do you have the windows down while you are driving ?? |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Its an 06 2wd Pilot LX. I Dont have the widows down, but it sounds exactly like if I had the back windows down. They have already replaced the active noise control box and that was not the issue. |
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| hatch9 |
| Trying to figure out the same humming/droning noise on my sister's brand new 06 Pilot 2wd lx. Any update on your situation? Rode on it yesterday and noticed a weird intermittent humming droning noise while at freeway. I'm not sure if it's coming from below the car or in the engine compartment. Radio was turned off and it still drones. Usually it happens when the rpm drops below 2k. Is this some normal transmission noise that it makes? I hope not becuase the drone is really bothering and annoying. thx for any input. |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Well, apparently they called in for a new transmission, but when they did, a guy in the Honda Corporate Parts department said that a brand new hybrid had been reported with the same issue. Aparently there is a device called the control noise activator, its supposed to reduce noise at certain RPMS. Well the part was replaced in my car, but it still made the same noise. The guy at Honda corportate said that in order to get rid of the noise in the hybrid they replaced the speakers. It seems that the radio works in tune with the noise control device, and that the noise was using the speakers as a way of getting into the car and being heard. So he suggsted my speakers to be replaced. We are waiting on speakers and we shall see where its at on Monday. Does it make sence to me???? Not at all, my gut feeling tells me it's transmission. Either way, tell her to get it into the service department ASAP. There is a computer system that HONDA uses to see if other vehicles reported this issue, and they said none did. She may want to refer my case to her service guy, since I am sure they will be as baffled with the sound as my honda service guy. My car is at Sterling Mcall Honda in Kingwood TX... just in case they need to contact them. Seems like we are the first pilot to report the problem. |
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| rocky |
I guess with noise cancelling the speakers of the car are always live regardless of whether the stereo is on or not.
Which makes me wonder whether the NCS output goes through the stereo amp or whether the NCS has its own amplifier.
What happens if they disconnect the NCS?
Wheres the mic? Try covering up the mike-and seeing if that reduces the noise. |
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| hatch9 |
| that doesn't sound good. She just got the car like 3-4 days and it's already having this problem. I'll tell her to get it checked asap. Thx for the input. |
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| jenn922 |
| I am having the exact same problem with my 2006 Honda Pilot LX. I'm glad to know it is not just my car but it upsets me that there is nothing they can do to fix it. I hope they figure out the problem soon. I really love the car other than that noise! |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Well guys im trully disapointed in Honda right now. You know my saga story. They now kept the car for a week. Replaced front and rear speakers, noise control box, even found a faulty wire system with my noise control box and guess what???? they gave me the car back this morning, told me it was fixed... drove out of the dealer, kicked it up to 65 and when i brought it back down to 55 THERE WAS THE NOISE AGAIN. So it's not the speakers, it's not the noise control box, it's not the microphone. They had the nerve to say.. well mam, we dont know what it is. My response, WELL YOUR GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT! So guys... do me a favor, take your cars in. They have a tech line they use, but my car was the first reported making that noise. Maybe if we all take our cars in they will find something. IM begining to think we are going to have a recall here.:mad: |
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| jenn922 |
| I wonder if it is because these are the first 2wd Pilot's to come out. Before I bought the car I thought about that fact and it made me wonder if things might go wrong. There were so many good reviews and the safety features are wonderful so I was sold!! I am going to call the service department in my area to report it and hopefully get it in within the next week. This is very disappointing!! :( |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| you mean that 2wd where not available before? Make sure you reference my car and let them know what they have replaced. My car is at Sterling Mckall in Kingwood Texas. Im giving you this info incase they need to talk to them. They have replaced all speakers and also my noise control box. |
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| jenn922 |
| Right! This is the first year they made the 2WD Pilot. They have always been 4WD or AWD. Thanks for the info! I will keep you posted. |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Ok car is in the dealer, im giving my service gu nightmares! HAHA... they gave me a loaner and I will let you all know what they say as soon as they say something. |
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| Skanol |
| Hello all, I just bought a new 06 Pilot LX and I put about 2000 miles on it already. My wife normally drives the car to work and back home but doesn’t really pay any Attention to details on the cars symptoms. We drove it for about a 200 mile trip this Weekend and noticed a deep muffle humming sound coming from the car at first I thought it was the road, then other vehicles next to mine, but it was happening when no one was around on a new pave highway and the noise is hard to describe. This humming noise was happening when I would let go of the gas pedal at around 45 to 55 mph. The sound would disappear once I applied gas to the vehicle. It is very annoying Knowing that this is a new vehicle and it has this problem has no real fix after reading the treads. I don’t know if I should take it in so it’s looked at or wait to see if they come out with a fix for this… I have a question: Would this be covered under the warranty? If I take it to the dealer. |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Yes everything they do will be covered. Its under warranty. Up to now they have replaced my noise control unit, all my speakers and now they seem to have found the problem. The say my microphone in the vehicle is not working right. So basically the mike is supposed to pick up this noise, and the noise control box is supposed to engage and get rid of the noise. Well since the mike is not working I guess it cant pick up the sound of the noise. Im supposed to follow up today and see if it fixed it or not. If it's not fixed then they are moving on to the muffler. Im very irritated, but all i can do is wait. They have been nice enough to lend me a loaner. My concerns are that im not in pilot though. I have 20 month old baby and a husband 200 miles away which we visit often. Im in a small accord and find it hard to adjust to the vehicle size. But anyway, they have been nice enough to give me one. I just feel as if my vehicle is not the same and not worth the same. Door panels have been taken off and put back on, headliner taken off and put back on. When they do finally fix it i have been advised to fully inspect it for anything that does not look right. I will keep you posted. |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| Well, they replaced mi Mcrophone... and guess what???? The noise is still there. So.. now we have a replaced noise control unit, speakers, and a microphone and the noise is still there. The dealer is no longer giving me a loaner, now they rent me a car from enterprise. They say Honda is bringing somebody to see my car. Well.. i took action and called Honda. Talked to the recall Dept. They said the more people calling with this issue the better it will be. It will make Honda so something about it. Im so frustrated with this whole thing, that I dont know what to do. Im just frustrated. Now i have to send the car into the dealer again!!!!!!!!! Let me know if you all had any luch |
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| stupss |
I got my pilot serviced last week for the humming sound and they replaced the radio and said that took care of the problem.... As soon as I got out of the dealer, I'm still hearing the humming noise... Called the dealer back and had it schedule last monday... got my car back the next day and they said it's a known problem on 2wd pilot right now and American Honda is now aware of this problem since a lot more owners are complaining...
They said it's still under investigation and hopefully get this resolve soon... |
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| ryan2006 |
My wife and I started experiencing this humming resonance problem after we put about 1100 miles on our brand new 2006 2wd Honda Pilot LX. The problem is exactly as the rest of you are explaining. There are no other vehicles around, the windows are up, and I’m not an idiot, so it’s quite obvious that there is something wrong with the drive system in this vehicle. I tested out my theory by shifting the car into neutral when it was resonating at about 55mph. The sound immediately went away. If Honda can’t repair the problem, then they should at least replace defective vehicles.
We've called and talked to the dealership, the owner, a lawyer, and American Honda. I'll post any type of solution we can get. It looks like you guys have already done most of the leg work on this though. Thank you for saving us a lot of time by posting your problem.
If we don’t get a solution soon though, we may have to bite the bullet and upgrade to a 4wd just to take care of this problem. That noise is going to drive me insane.
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| stupss |
| When I called American Honda, they asked me the question what they can do or do better to make me a happy and satisfied costumer... I told them to replace my Pilot and then said to them that if its a known problem right now for 2wd Pilots then they're gonna have to give me a 4wd Pilot... The rep said that he's not sure about my request but he will put it on my case... You all should call American Honda @ 1 800 999 1009 and open a case for your complain... |
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| jenn922 |
| I just called American Honda to report the problem. He said that everyone needs to call them and report this so they can really start looking into it. So if you haven't call yet please do as soon as possible. The number is 1-800-999-1009. Thanks. |
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| rocky |
If its happening at a consistent speed range, I am wondering if it is body boom- a resonence that just happens to match the bodywork causing a booming like effect
This only makes sense if there were structural changes from prior years and I think there were some based on reports that floor mats don't fit |
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| andyschneider |
So - I'm looking at the differences between the 4WD and 2WD units. There are 3:
Variable Cylinder Management™ (VCM™)
Active Control Engine Mount system (ACM)
Active Noise Cancellation (ANC)
So we know folks have mucked with the ANC. But how does that ACM come into play, and how does it work? And the VCM? Is that in operation when the noise occurs? One of these 3 has to be the culprit, since the base tranny for the 2WD and 4WD must be the same - and the addition of the VTM-4 and associated gear is the main diff with the 4WD.
Something is amiss - will be interesting to see what it turns out to be...
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| gmj04 |
I have this problem also...
I called and complained and was told that this was the first time anyone has heard of such a problem! |
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| NCBuggy06 |
I bought an 06 LX 2WD this weekend and we love it .... except that strange noise. Is this the same noise you are hearing?.... It's a very low tone that starts softly and gradually gets louder then quits. Then, in a few seconds, it repeats ... or it may not. It is almost difficult to hear at first until it gets louder. It seems to happen when we are coasting around 35 to 45 mph. We haven't tried it on the highway yet.
I called the Am. Honda # that "stupss" offered and spoke to a customer service agent. I just asked if she had heard of this problem or had any suggestions and she said no. She stated that I should schedule a service inspection. She was not friendly and was no help. She said that they did not have any technical people at the customer service location. We are going to drive it more this weekend and listen for it.
I have heard that the ANC system produces a sound in which the wavelength masks the engine noise when VCM is active but you are not supposed to hear it. It could be produced by or related to this. I wish that I could disable it to see. It does not sound like engine noise but rather a low bass tone from all around - even with the radio off. |
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| stupss |
| You probably spoke to Clarissa which is the first person I spoke with and told me the same thing that they haven't heard about that.... then the next time I called I spoke to a Roger then to Annette which they both says they are getting more calls with this same problem... Did you get a case number open for your complain? |
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| gmj04 |
I will call back to get a case number but i am not sure what good that will do?
The lady acted like I was psychotic or something.... |
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| NCBuggy06 |
| I spoke with Tiffany. She was just very short with me. She did not offer to open a case (or anything else). I will call back and try to open a case as well. |
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| ryan2006 |
WOW! I just got off the phone with American Honda. We've waited over a week to hear back from these people. Guess what. They haven't heard of this issue and have done NOTHING to take care of the problem (according to my case manager). Nice. Honda, you just lost by business permanently.
So, it's back to the drawing board. I'm going to send this thread to my lawyer along with my contract so he can draw up a demand letter. I'm also going to go to the dealership weekly to raise a stink and get weekly service slips for the problem that can't be fixed.
I HIGHLY recommend that you folks contact American Honda and raise a stink as well. Otherwise, they may or may not be interested in fixing this problem. My other piece of advice: Get a lawyer on this!:3: |
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| stupss |
| I guess you need to at least have the dealer check the humming sound first then call American Honda if the dealer can't fix the problem before they can open up a case number for you... I guarantee you that your dealer won't be able to fix it... They will probably replace your radio or speakers just like what they did on mine... If your dealer can fix it, ask them what was it and how they fix it... |
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| RGZ Custom |
| For those encountering the humming issue maybe it would be a good idea to see if it's limited to a certain range of manufacturing dates. Are all of the 2WD manufactured in Alabama? |
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| bobart |
03 Pilot noise, I had my dealer look into this misterious noise. Mine started
at 60 mph, now it's starting at 35mph, the dealer came to the conclusion
it was a turbulance sound as wind passes over the windsheild. The added
window sealent caulk. Charged my $100.00, and it's still making noise.
If this means anything, i just changed my cabin filter, and ATM-4 fluid
and it seams to be about 50% quiter. It could be my amagination, or just luck for today. I will report back in a few days. My other thought was a whinning fuel pump. back soon. |
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| jlee2070 |
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Originally posted by bobart
03 Pilot noise, I had my dealer look into this misterious noise. Mine started
at 60 mph, now it's starting at 35mph, the dealer came to the conclusion
it was a turbulance sound as wind passes over the windsheild. The added
window sealent caulk. Charged my $100.00, and it's still making noise.
If this means anything, i just changed my cabin filter, and ATM-4 fluid
and it seams to be about 50% quiter. It could be my amagination, or just luck for today. I will report back in a few days. My other thought was a whinning fuel pump. back soon.
Your issue and the issues noted in this thread have NOTHING in common... The folks in the thread are referring to the "noise reduction" feature in the 2WD Pilots. In '03 (to '05), all they had were 4WD Pilots. You may have a noise issue but it certainly has NOTHING to do with what's going on in this thread... :rolleyes: |
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| pilotjorge |
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Originally posted by jlee2070
Your issue and the issues noted in this thread have NOTHING in common... The folks in the thread are referring to the "noise reduction" feature in the 2WD Pilots. In '03 (to '05), all they had were 4WD Pilots. You may have a noise issue but it certainly has NOTHING to do with what's going on in this thread... :rolleyes:
No need to be rude!:mad:
This is his first post , what do you expect.
First of all, the title of this thread never mentioned nor was it specific about "noise reduction" among 2WD Pilots. So any Pilot owner experiencing a similar problem associated with the title of this thread which is "Deep Humming Sound at 55 mph" would consider this as an open invitation to interact. Instead of being rude, the least you could have done was to extend the customary hp.org welcome greetings to a first time poster. |
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| ryan2006 |
After multiple attempts to get American Honda to help us, we gave in. We're going to leave this to the lawyer.
However, the service manager at the dealership showed an interest in helping us. No, she didn't have a fix, but she actually looked into the issue and told us what was probably going on. Apparently (as others have mentioned in this thread already), the Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) is new to 2006 because of the 2wd option. This feature shuts down a few cylinders in the engine and turns on the "ECO" green light on your dash. Well, when this happens the engine makes a little noise. Honda was aware of the noise and placed an Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) into the 2wd 2006 Honda Pilots to mask the original engine noise. Well, obviously this noise cancellation feature is defective in at least a few of the vehicles. So, replacing components won’t necessarily fix the problem.
We took our Pilot over to the dealership and had the ANC unplugged until they can actually fix the problem. BIG improvement for us. Yah, there's a bit of noise, but it's MUCH more tolerable. I highly recommend doing this. This will also get this problem more exposed to Honda and the dealerships.
Anyway, our service manager at the dealership informed me that Honda was having a meeting this week to discuss this and other issues. She told me that she would be getting back in touch with us to let us know what the outcome of the meeting was. I'll repost with further info when I get it. |
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| f00sballer |
Hi all,
This is my first posting so I'm kinda new at this so please bear with me.
I have an '06 Pilot 2WD EXL and I'm getting this whistling sound when I accelerate. The best way to describe it is it sounds like a cricket chirping/whistling. I noticed this happens when I accelerate right after starting a cold engine. This whistling sound consistently hums around 2500 rpm when I'm accelerating, whether from a complete stop, or on the freeway. I noticed that after the engine warms up enough after substantial accelerating, it WILL eventually go away. Of course the two times I tried to take this to the dealer, the sound was already gone. They think I'm nuts and claim they don't hear anything. When I'm in a parking garage, this sound is amplified and much more noticable.
Not sure if this is related to the humming sound you're all speaking of. Does this sound anything like that? Could this be related to the Active Noice Cancellation (ANC)? I would appreciate any suggestions on what I can do to address this. Other than that, I can't complain about anything else with my Pilot.
Please help!
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| NCBuggy06 |
Thanks for the update - Ryan 2006. Sounds like the growing number of cases is getting heard. Keep us posted with anything you hear. This is the first Honda I have had and I love it so far (2-3 weeks)- other than the sound, but I was surprised and disappointed at the uninterested reception that I received when I called the Honda customer service number. She was absolutely not concerned with my problem. I hope the management expresses some more attention to it's customer's concerns. Sounds like they are.
F00sballer, your noise sounds unrelated to the problem reported on this thread. The noise in my Pilot is a very low bass sound which resonates as the vehicle cruises at low rpm's - when ECO light is on. The pitch does not seem to change but the volume will. "Humming" is a good description because it does sound somewhat muffled yet possibly coming from inside the cab. I thought it was the CD player at first until I heard it without any music on. It is a very odd sound - unlike any engine or road noise. It sounds kind of like the sound when a semi truck or car with a bad muffler is passing you. |
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| stupss |
Dealer have unplugged the ANC unit on my Pilot and It's not humming that bad anymore... It's been almost 2 weeks now and I've noticed my gas mileage is pretty bad... Ryan, did you notice a change on your gas mileage?
I'm wondering that they might have disabled the VCM on my Pilot as well...
I asked them but they said they only disabled the ANC but since then my gas mileage is terrible... I'm now like on minimum 18mpg... |
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| whopang |
Well, this thread is exactly why I ended up on this site! I just bought an '06 Pilot 2WD LX and am experiencing these exact issues with the low humming sound at 45-55. I thought at first I was driving into the rivetted grooves they put on the side of the highway to keep people awake! Even my "hard of hearing" father heard it and asked what it was...
Calling Honda tomorrow and making an appt. with the dealership. Thanks for all of your postings - I'm going to keep checking in...:rolleyes: |
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| jaxbill |
The humming seems to occur at speeds less that 45 and normally only during light acceleration. Also only seems to happen when it is really hot out but that may just be a coincidence.
I only have 500 miles on my '06 Pilot LX and this sucks...
Sure hope that it's not related to the VCM. That is the only thing that worried me about this car.
Guess I'll call tomorrow |
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| cwahls |
My Wife and I just bought an '06 Pilot LX 2WD and are noticing the hum also. We too, feel that it is heat related, happens between 40-55MPH under light engine load. We have also noticed that it has nothing to do with the A/C being on or off, and that it's not necessarily when it is in VCM mode. We have the entry level audio system so I don't know if it has the noise cancellation system installed or not. It seems to me that the system is so anemic that there is no way it can make enough low end to mask any noise at all :)
Something I had thought about that I wondered if anyone had also..... The front end has A LOT of plastic body parts. I'm wondering if the heat may make the plastic soft enough to allow it to flex and resonate at certain speeds. It does sound like it's coming from the front, ANY speed change will cause the sound to go away, like a tap of the gas pedal, etc.
Unfortunately I rarely drive the vehicle so I'm going on her description, she is a bit upset about the noise to say the least. I'll certainly be keeping you informed of our findings, and checking back often.
Thank you for this wonderful forum!!!
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| whopang |
Well, we took our Pilot in and they unplugged the ANC according to the Honda Technical Teams suggestion - probably because of ryan2006 :) It was fine for a couple of days of light driving. Then we drove it up to the mountains for a camping trip and a half hour into the drive it started again - BAD. It will make that gawd awful sound after it's been driving for 30 minutes ALL THE TIME - regardless of speed.
I'm calling today to have them plug it back in - or whatever they did because it made it worse. I'll post again to see if they have another temporary "fix"...or if they just put it back the way it was...
I actually don't think they have a clue now what will fix it...back to sqare 1.
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| jaxbill |
My update:
I was driving my car for the last week alone (no passengers) and did not experience the humming even once. Then this last weekend the kids were in the back seat (middle) and within the first minute of getting on the road the hum was back. I was going about 25-30 mph, ECO/ANC was not engaged and I had time to turn the radio on and off to see if it mattered and it did not.
Has anybody else noticed the humming with just a driver in the car? My kids only weigh a combined 160 lbs and I find it hard to believe that this would make the difference but as far as I can remember I did always have passengers when the sound occured before.
I have an appointment with the local Honda dealer for this Friday were they are going to let me take them for a ride to see if I can get the noice to occur. |
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| cwahls |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
My update:
I was driving my car for the last week alone (no passengers) and did not experience the humming even once. Then this last weekend the kids were in the back seat (middle) and within the first minute of getting on the road the hum was back. I was going about 25-30 mph, ECO/ANC was not engaged and I had time to turn the radio on and off to see if it mattered and it did not.
Has anybody else noticed the humming with just a driver in the car? My kids only weigh a combined 160 lbs and I find it hard to believe that this would make the difference but as far as I can remember I did always have passengers when the sound occured before.
I have an appointment with the local Honda dealer for this Friday were they are going to let me take them for a ride to see if I can get the noice to occur.
It does it with just my wife in it after she dropps the boy off at school, So yes it happens when she is alone, she's a petite woman too.
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| whopang |
It happens to me when I'm alone...
Seems to me it has more to do with how long I'm driving it...if I'm just going to the store and back I don't notice it at all. After about 15 to 30 minutes it's much more noticeable. |
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| ryan2006 |
We received a call from the service manager a few days after my last post. It appears that American Honda is more than aware of the problem. The service manager told me that we are now in 'waiting for service bulletin' mode. We're routinely talking with her and taking our vehicle in to get additional service invoices. If you aren't doing this, I recommend that you do. If your state has any type of lemon law, then you may need these to get out of the vehicle (regardless of any work done at the time of the invoice) if they don't fix this soon.
Another note: I've noticed that the VCM engine noise isn't necessarily directly related to the ECO light coming on. They may be related, but the sound and the light coming on may not be happening at the same time.
I haven't noticed any changes to the gas mileage since the disconnection of the ANC unit. The vehicle sound is still much more tolerable since the disconnection. |
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| jpecore |
Also have a 2006 Pilot 2WD with the same humming problem as 55.
First dealership I took it to could not find what the problem was problem. They replace wheel bearings, muffler, and removed roof rack.
Took it to a second dealership and just got it back. They never heard of problem but concluded that it was a "normal" harmonic noise under load when transmission is in "lock up converter" mode.
They said there is nothing they can do until they get a service bulliten from Honda. |
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| cwahls |
When I first heard of the problem from my wife I immediately thought of the torque converter locking. When this happens the torque converter no longer has as much fluid damping and allows the vibration of the engine to transfer thru the housings and drive train. I have heard the lockdown noise in other cars but never this prominent. It is a GREAT lead though!
Another thing... We have the plane-Jane single DIN audio system. We have only one "microphone spot" it's in the center of the headliner, the one in the overhead cabin area is absent... FYI.
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| jaxbill |
Had the humming today numerous times while driving alone. Today it seemed that I could create the problem at will by slowly accelerating from 35 to around 40 which is where it seems to occur most often. One thing I tried this time was to shift to neutral while the hum was occuring and it does stop. Also had it happen while just coasting downhill which was a first.
This sucks.
I have an appointment this Friday at a Honda dealer to take a tech for a ride. Guess we'll what happens after that... |
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| jaxbill |
Did the test drive with three Honda service people in the car and was able to reproduce the humming at will. They wrote it up and told me that they are starting to hear about a possible short-term fix that has to do with the noise cancelling system.
At least it is documented. We'll see what and how long it takes for a fix. |
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| whopang |
I took my Pilot in this week to have them change back the unplugging of the ANC. The noise happens much less frequently now. Mostly at 45 and 55 and only after I've been driving it for over an hour throughout the day. MUCH better than with it unplugged.
The Service Rep at the dealership told me to do what I think is best in terms of bringing it in every week to get service tickets and calling the Corporation frequently and being a pain. So that's what I'm going to do...There is really is no "fix" right now. |
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| andyschneider |
So, after watching this thread for several weeks - I just gotta ask...
Did anyone notice this sound before they signed on the dotted line? I mean, before I took delivery of our '04 EX 4WD and '06 LX 4WD, I did a 30+ mile test drive to make sure things didn't sound weird, no vibration, drove fine, etc. I'm wondering if this noise happens right out of the box when new, or does it take a while to show up?
I'm just amazed at how many people are running into this problem, and given the high level of annoyance - why nobody noticed it during the test drive?
curious... andy |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by andyschneider
I'm just amazed at how many people are running into this problem, and given the high level of annoyance - why nobody noticed it during the test drive?
Did not occur during mine or my wifes test drive. Hers was about 5 miles or so and mine was about 15. Seems to be getting worse everyday. I was driving with the family yesterday and the humming occured everytime I went up thru about 35mph or back down thru 35mph. So freakin' annoying.
Just so you guys know. This is not like a little noisy tire thing. It is like somebody installed a set of subwoofers and cranks them into a feedback at 110 decibels. My kids have held their ears.
I'm going to call Honda tomorrow and try to get out of this car. 1,000 miles on it and I don't even want to drive it. |
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| jpecore |
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Originally posted by andyschneider
d anyone notice this sound before they signed on the dotted line?
My wife and I did not notice it during test drives. We only noticed after about a 1,000 miles of local driving and then took it on a long drive out to mother-in-laws where we were consitantly driving highway speeds for hours.
It does appear to be getting louder. Not sure if it's just because we are more attuned to it, or because it really is.
I definitely would not have bought it if I heard it during test drive. |
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| kingpilot06 |
i think i might have the same problem, but am not sure.
is everyone hearing this noise through their speakers?
i also drive a 2006 pilot lx 2wd. i have the oem head unit, 2 subwoofers (that are wired through the rear speakers using an line output converter) and an amplifier to power the amp. i am hearing the noise through my subwoofers, but even while parked and the engine running. this is the wierd thing: the noise is NOT present when i have the DOOR(S) OPEN. i even drove around with the door not fully closed and the noise went away. it only happens with all the doors closed. is it because anc is activated only when doors are all closed? will someone drive with the door slightly closed and tell me if they still hear that humming noise everyone is talking about?
i posted something similar in the audio/electronics thread, but we dont think it has anything to do with wiring, grounding, etc., so i'm kinda thinking maybe its the anc |
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| whopang |
| I also didn't notice it during the half hour test drive. And we also didn't notice it until our first big trip up to the mountains the weekend after we bought it. I had to drive for 20 minutes with the technician in my car for him to finally hear it when I took it in. It seems more and more noticeable the longer we have it too... |
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| jaxbill |
Got a call from Honda today. I was told "They are working on the problem but have no fix".
Also there was an earlier post where somebody asked about the noise going away with the door open. I'm really tired of this crap but did find that the noise stops immediately if you open the door. Does not stop with windows opened, already had tried that. |
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| jdeanski |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
Got a call from Honda today. I was told "They are working on the problem but have no fix".
but did find that the noise stops immediately if you open the door.
Just to understand you better, are you saying that if you open the door while driving 55mph the offending noise will go away? |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jpecore
My wife and I did not notice it during test drives. We only noticed after about a 1,000 miles of local driving and then took it on a long drive out to mother-in-laws where we were consitantly driving highway speeds for hours.
It does appear to be getting louder. Not sure if it's just because we are more attuned to it, or because it really is.
I definitely would not have bought it if I heard it during test drive.
thats me that posted that earlier....drive when the door is not latched completely (halfway latched)....the noise is gone. i'm hearing it through my amp powered subwoofers and stock head unit!
i'm hoping that when i replace the factory head unit, the noise will go away |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
Got a call from Honda today. I was told "They are working on the problem but have no fix".
Also there was an earlier post where somebody asked about the noise going away with the door open. I'm really tired of this crap but did find that the noise stops immediately if you open the door. Does not stop with windows opened, already had tried that.
woops...sorry, i meant to quote this one.
that was me who posted earlier, stating that when you leave the door latched halfway (not latched completely), the noise will go away. i'm hearing the noise through my amp powered subwoofers with a factory head unit. i hope when i change out the head unit, the noise goes away. |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jdeanski
Just to understand you better, are you saying that if you open the door while driving 55mph the offending noise will go away?
dont open the door completely!...just latched halfway! and yes!...the noise goes away when you do this.
read my thread in audio and electronics here |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
Got a call from Honda today. I was told "They are working on the problem but have no fix".
Also there was an earlier post where somebody asked about the noise going away with the door open. I'm really tired of this crap but did find that the noise stops immediately if you open the door. Does not stop with windows opened, already had tried that.
thanks for testing this out for me (in response to my earlier post). i now can eliminate my new amp and subwoofers as the culperate! |
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| kingpilot06 |
next test...
does anyone posting with this problem have a stereo other than the standard factory cd player??? how bout the navigation or res or 6 disc changer? or an aftermarket stereo?
i have the oem factory single cd player and am getting that annoying noise |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by ryan2006
We took our Pilot over to the dealership and had the ANC unplugged until they can actually fix the problem. BIG improvement for us. Yah, there's a bit of noise, but it's MUCH more tolerable. I highly recommend doing this.
how did they unplugg the anc unit? did they disconnect the harness that was plugged into the rear of the head unit? look at these diagrams on this thread. pins: B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 are the pins associated with anc. they are the wires that emits the sound waves to the speakers. the thread is :
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(larrys first and second reply for the LX model) |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by jdeanski
Just to understand you better, are you saying that if you open the door while driving 55mph the offending noise will go away?
The humm occurs on me at between 35-45mph, usually right around 40mph but yes if you crack the door open at all the noise stops. |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by kingpilot06
how did they unplugg the anc unit? did they disconnect the harness that was plugged into the rear of the head unit? look at these diagrams on this thread. pins: B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 are the pins associated with anc. they are the wires that emits the sound waves to the speakers. the thread is :
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(larrys first and second reply for the LX model)
There are other posts in this thread were people had the ANC disconnected and it did no good or made the noise worse. Maybe it is the ANC but there seems to be differing opinions. |
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| ars |
Just called honda about my 06 2wd, I have taken in to a dealer in Jacksonville, FL while on vacation and they mentioned the active motor mounts, could be causing the problems, I hear the humm but it doesnt seem as load as others have noted, mine is quite bearable, but the transition from VCM out to regular power is horrible, like a hard jerk in the car.
Hope they do something
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| cwahls |
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Originally posted by ars
Just called honda about my 06 2wd, I have taken in to a dealer in Jacksonville, FL while on vacation and they mentioned the active motor mounts, could be causing the problems, I hear the humm but it doesnt seem as load as others have noted, mine is quite bearable, but the transition from VCM out to regular power is horrible, like a hard jerk in the car.
Hope they do something
Andy
That transition should be seamless. In fact, I was amazed how seamless it was!
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| mmmmark |
| You guys are making me nervous about my impending Pilot purchase!!:confused: |
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| ars |
I agree and when i first bought the pilot it was, seemed ,like 10000 miles until it started, or maybe I am just sensing more ???
anywho I hope honda does something, but I still love the car, looking at all the DIY stuff, to decide what my first mod will be
Andy |
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| ars |
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Originally posted by mmmmark
You guys are making me nervous about my impending Pilot purchase!!:confused:
I would still get the pilot, its a great car
but dont think that the 24 mpg will come through for you, I have only acheived that one time at night with the ac off, doing 65-70 on the I-16
mostly we get around 20, so If I were to do it again, I would get the 4wd in a heart beat,
Andy |
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| whopang |
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Originally posted by mmmmark
You guys are making me nervous about my impending Pilot purchase!!:confused:
I LOVE my Pilot...it has this annoying noise going on but call me naive- I believe they will fix it sooner or later. If you don't want to mess with that - I just suggest you get an AWD...I saved about 4K on my 2WD and really don't regret it...It really is "just a noise"...there's nothing that is going to cause you be on the side of the road. The drive is great, the room is wonderful. I test drove the Toyota Highlander and was hands down more impressed with the Pilot. If I could have afforded a 4Runner I MIGHT have gone that direction instead...but who knows.
My posts are strictly for finding out what's going on with everyone else having the same problem - not to convince anyone not to get a Pilot...
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| cwahls |
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Originally posted by ars
I agree and when i first bought the pilot it was, seemed ,like 10000 miles until it started, or maybe I am just sensing more ???
anywho I hope honda does something, but I still love the car, looking at all the DIY stuff, to decide what my first mod will be
Andy
Ours started making the noise at about 200 miles :(
We purchased out of state and were on the way home.
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| mmmmark |
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Originally posted by whopang
If I could have afforded a 4Runner I MIGHT have gone that direction instead...but who knows.
Andrea
Thanks for the feedback. I realize that these problems aren't as widespread as this board make them "seem". Just that pre-purchases jitters, ya know?
As far as the 4-Runner, the interior measurements show it as smaller than the Pilot, FWIW. |
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| whopang |
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Originally posted by mmmmark
As far as the 4-Runner, the interior measurements show it as smaller than the Pilot, FWIW.
Well, I never even looked at the 4Runner because they were out of our price range. But if that's the case, I would have gotten this really nice green fully loaded AWD Pilot EX then...;) |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by ars
Just called honda about my 06 2wd, I have taken in to a dealer in Jacksonville, FL while on vacation and they mentioned the active motor mounts, could be causing the problems, I hear the humm but it doesnt seem as load as others have noted, mine is quite bearable, but the transition from VCM out to regular power is horrible, like a hard jerk in the car.
Hope they do something
Andy
I pulled the fuse for the active motor mounts and no difference - still got the sound. On the VCM mine is so smooth you cannot tell it is switching. |
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| jaxbill |
Got a call from American Honda today. They said that the Honda tech line will be telling dealers that the temporary fix is to disconnect the ANC and that they are working on a fix that will involve a part update/replacement for all 2006 2WD Pilots (both LX and EX).
Based on what I've seen in this forum as far as what dealers have done for others with this problem like replacing everything to do with ANC and also just disconnecting it, I'm wondering if Honda really knows what is going on out here. It seems like this is a delay tactic...
Any thoughts? |
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| jay |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
Got a call from American Honda today. They said that the Honda tech line will be telling dealers that the temporary fix is to disconnect the ANC and that they are working on a fix that will involve a part update/replacement for all 2006 2WD Pilots (both LX and EX).
Based on what I've seen in this forum as far as what dealers have done for others with this problem like replacing everything to do with ANC and also just disconnecting it, I'm wondering if Honda really knows what is going on out here. It seems like this is a delay tactic...
Any thoughts?
Would you prefer the GM or Ford approach, which would be to tell you :30:
Give them a chance to engineer a reasonable fix, so they get it fixed the first time. |
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| mmmmark |
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Originally posted by jay
Would you prefer the GM or Ford approach, which would be to tell you :30:
Give them a chance to engineer a reasonable fix, so they get it fixed the first time.
Actually, Ford has always been very proactive over the years. The last one I had, there were several recalls and some were voluntary. NHTSA did not mandate them. They did them just because it "was the right thing to do" and they weren't safety issues either.
GM is pretty bad and only does them if they are forced to. |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
There are other posts in this thread were people had the ANC disconnected and it did no good or made the noise worse.
u said that disconnecting it did no good or made the noise worse. what was the scenario on your pilot when you disconnected it????
thanks for keeping us posted! |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by kingpilot06
how did they unplugg the anc unit? did they disconnect the harness that was plugged into the rear of the head unit? look at these diagrams on this thread. pins: B1, B2, B3, B4, and B5 are the pins associated with anc. they are the wires that emits the sound waves to the speakers. the thread is :
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(larrys first and second reply for the LX model)
when you say disconnect, do you mean unplugging it from the rear of the stereo head unit??? noone ever responded to my earlier post. |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by jay
Would you prefer the GM or Ford approach, which would be to tell you :30:
Give them a chance to engineer a reasonable fix, so they get it fixed the first time.
I would prefer that I didn't have a problem that makes me not want to drive a car that I just put ~26K into. I didn't buy a Ford/GM because my experience with owning 5 Hondas is that this doesn't happen with them, new or used.
As far as giving them a chance. Have you experienced a problem with your brand new car where it makes you wonder if the car is going to crap out at any time. It's not like just a little squeak in the dashboard. |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by kingpilot06
when you say disconnect, do you mean unplugging it from the rear of the stereo head unit??? noone ever responded to my earlier post.
I said earlier that I removed a fuse for the motor mount stuff and that had no effect. I also said that Honda is saying that they are going to tell my dealer to disconnect the ANC, I have not had it done but if you read through this thread there are others who have and it did no good. See posts from hannasmom and others. |
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| ars |
I too just received a call from Honda, telling me to go and have the ANC disconnected, and that they will be coming out with a fix, sometime. So we will just have to wait i guess
hey can anyone recommend a good hitch, I have been reading on the site and no one is really supporting one or another,
Andy |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by jaxbill
I said earlier that I removed a fuse for the motor mount stuff and that had no effect. I also said that Honda is saying that they are going to tell my dealer to disconnect the ANC, I have not had it done but if you read through this thread there are others who have and it did no good. See posts from hannasmom and others.
you still didnt answer my question. the question was, did you unplug the anc from the rear of the stereo head unit? you only took the fuse out for the active motor mounts. plus, others who have had the anc disconnected did not specify how it was disconnected (maybe you should go back and read the threads). i know that those who had it disconnected still have the problem (but they didnt specify how it was disconnected, go back and read the threads and let me know if there was a post indicating how it was disconnected). the noise is being audible through the speakers (this is in my case), and if we disconnect the wires that are connected to the rear of the head unit, the sound wont be audible through the speakers. if you read the wiring diagram, it reads that the anc has a wiring harness plugged into the back of the head unit, wiring that leads to left front speaker, right front speaker, left rear speaker, and right rear speaker. the anc will still be on, it just wont be able to produce the sound through the speakers.
the reason why i ask, did you unplug the anc from the rear of the stereo head unit, was to eliminate possibilities. |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by ryan2006
The vehicle sound is still much more tolerable since the disconnection.
jaxbill:
hannasmom never had it disconnected, only the associated components replaced. whopang and ryan2006 were the only ones who had it disconnected. ryan2006, as you can read from the above quote, said it was much more tolerable disconnected, and i have not seen a follow-up post from him. whopang was the only person who had it reconnected. so maybe you're the one who should go back and read threads before trying to make the remark you made towards me. when you removed the fuse for the active motor mounts, you deactivated all of the components that make anc active. |
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| jaxbill |
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Originally posted by kingpilot06
you still didnt answer my question. the question was, did you unplug the anc from the rear of the stereo head unit?
King. I thought I had answered you in that I said I have not disconnected my ANC. As far as I know the motor mounts are not tied to the ANC or the VCM directly but they all seem to be there to help with noise and vibration individually. I only pulled the fuse for the motor mounts. Looking at only the owners manual there doesn't appear to be a way to disconnect the ANC other than unplugging it from the radio or disconnecting the speakers neither which I want to try to do.
Hope that answers the question. |
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| kingpilot06 |
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Originally posted by kingpilot06
when you say disconnect, do you mean unplugging it from the rear of the stereo head unit??? noone ever responded to my earlier post.
jaxbill, you finally answered my question.
if you read this post, it says, "do you mean unplugging it from the rear of the stereo head unit?" |
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| planedog |
I bought an LX 2WD with 500 miles on it and immediately went on a cross-country trip pulling a pop-up camper. We noticed the noise before we were out of Georgia and I was able to thorougly examine this noise due to the extended amount of time behind the wheel (5000 miles in three weeks).
The sound occurs between 1500 and 2000 RPMs (only), it is independent of speed or engine load. It can happen accelerating up a hill of coasting down one or cruising on level ground. It happens when the ECO is on or off. You can let off or press the gas when it happens and there is no change. It doesn't matter what gear it is in. The ONLY factor is the engine RPM.
Sometimes it will oscillate over and over and sometimes it will be a long drawn out noise but it almos | | | |
