| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by lizzy40
I have tracked almost every single fill up since I bought it 7 months ago so my readings are pretty much accurate of what I get.
I hate to ask, but I bet there is some interesting things to be learned by plotting them . |
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| rockman19762001 |
8/28/2007 2.769 7.295 $20.20 85,408 Sam's Club Y - [Edit] [ Delete]
8/23/2007 2.799 16.114 $45.10 85,281 7-Eleven Y 17.41 [Edit] [ Delete]
8/16/2007 2.839 9.861 $28.00 85,002 Murphy USA Y 17.31 [Edit] [ Delete]
8/12/2007 2.839 9.997 $28.38 84,818 Sam's Club Y 18.66 [Edit] [ Delete]
8/7/2007 2.879 16.291 $46.90 84,642 Murphy USA Y 17.61 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/29/2007 2.909 5.672 $16.50 84,325 Sam's Club Y 19.46 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/26/2007 2.929 11.984 $35.10 84,219 Sam's Club Y 18.69 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/22/2007 2.939 10.888 $32.00 83,964 Murphy USA Y 21.28 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/22/2007 2.849 12.812 $36.50 83,781 Chevron Y 16.81 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/13/2007 2.859 10.580 $30.25 83,512 Murphy USA Y 21.00 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/12/2007 2.959 8.719 $25.80 83,314 Murphy USA Y 18.71 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/8/2007 2.959 13.821 $40.90 83,145 Murphy USA Y 19.38 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/4/2007 2.959 9.259 $27.40 82,887 Sam's Club Y 18.67 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/3/2007 2.879 11.376 $32.75 82,708 Murphy USA Y 19.33 [Edit] [ Delete]
7/1/2007 2.739 12.121 $33.20 82,482 RaceTrac Y 19.87 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/28/2007 2.829 15.589 $44.10 82,231 Murphy USA Y 20.71 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/25/2007 2.959 11.185 $33.10 81,934 Murphy USA Y 19.05 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/21/2007 3.000 15.447 $46.34 81,750 Sam's Club Y 16.45 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/10/2007 3.069 15.313 $47.00 81,448 Sam's Club Y 19.55 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/4/2007 3.069 10.361 $31.80 81,153 Sam's Club Y 19.26 [Edit] [ Delete]
6/1/2007 3.149 1.450 $4.57 80,014 Sam's Club Y - [Edit] [ Delete]
5/30/2007 3.049 15.087 $46.00 80,937 Murphy USA Y 20.85 [Edit] [ Delete]
5/16/2007 3.019 6.791 $20.50 80,656 Sam's Club Y 18.63 [Edit] [ Delete]
5/13/2007 2.849 15.445 $44.00 80,534 Sam's Club Y 17.96 [Edit] [ Delete]
5/6/2007 2.799 12.397 $34.70 80,234 Sam's Club Y 19.42 [Edit] [ Delete]
5/2/2007 2.849 11.952 $34.05 79,971 Murphy USA Y 21.21 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/29/2007 2.779 7.917 $22.00 79,750 Sam's Club Y 18.49 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/26/2007 2.799 17.079 $47.80 79,614 Murphy USA Y 17.18 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/18/2007 2.739 13.144 $36.00 79,283 H-E-B Y 19.38 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/15/2007 2.739 11.100 $30.40 79,030 Murphy USA Y 19.25 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/15/2007 2.759 17.053 $47.05 78,802 7-Eleven Y 20.54 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/15/2007 2.759 13.827 $38.15 78,468 Shell Y 19.59 [Edit] [ Delete]
4/11/2007 2.689 17.145 $46.10 78,209 Murphy USA Y 18.73 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/29/2007 2.439 14.186 $34.60 77,900 Sam's Club Y 18.02 Bad Fuel Pilot stopped running in repair shop. [Edit] [ Delete]
3/28/2007 2.439 10.421 $25.42 77,617 Sam's Club Y 19.95 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/22/2007 2.389 15.330 $36.62 77,335 Sam's Club Y 27.06 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/18/2007 2.349 13.198 $31.00 77,041 Murphy USA Y 19.18 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/18/2007 2.439 12.040 $29.37 76,823 7-Eleven Y 16.52 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/16/2007 2.319 18.649 $43.25 76,569 Murphy USA Y 21.10 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/10/2007 2.339 13.400 $31.34 76,260 H-E-B Y 16.57 [Edit] [ Delete]
3/3/2007 2.289 12.777 $29.25 75,948 Sam's Club Y 23.28 [Edit] [ Delete]
2/22/2007 2.229 17.500 $39.01 75,655 Sam's Club Y 22.93 [Edit] [ Delete]
2/11/2007 2.039 14.812 $30.20 75,132 Sam's Club Y 29.89 [Edit] [ Delete]
2/8/2007 2.159 18.065 $39.00 74,841 7-Eleven Y 19.65 [Edit] [ Delete]
2/4/2007 1.939 14.954 $29.00 74,300 Murphy USA Y 29.95 [Edit] [ Delete]
2/2/2007 2.059 14.206 $29.25 73,900 Love's Y 26.75 [Edit] [ Delete]
1/20/2007 2.099 11.433 $24.00 73,390 Town & Country Y 35.90 [Edit] [ Delete]
1/14/2007 2.119 12.836 $27.20 73,178 Sams Club Y 18.54 [Edit] [ Delete]
1/8/2007 2.129 16.659 $35.47 72,949 Sams Club Y 17.84 [This the log of all my gasoline purchases for the 03 Pilot this year, the last number on the row is miles per gallon. Aside of some outlying values. So you can kick those out, I have never gotten below 16 in the Pilot and generally 19-20 when driving 75-80 on the interstate. |
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| N_Jay |
| Hey RM, looks like some bad data but darn near 20 MPG. |
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| rockman19762001 |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
Hey RM, looks like some bad data but darn near 20 MPG.
When I first started this year my wife did not always write down the mileage or get a receipt , so she would go from memory. Now, I fuel the Pilot, get a receipt, write down the mileage and the data is much cleaner now. Bless her, she once asked "Why do you need the mileage when I fill the Pilot up". That is when I decided to just do it my self. |
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| powers1481@msn. |
| I agree with Lizzy40, I have tracked every tank since new, and I also know how to calculate MPG. It's disappointing to be promised "that or better" mileage by the dealer because "Honda Prides Itself on accuracy" and to receive a sizable difference. We were deciding between the Highlander and the Pilot, liked the legroom in the Pilots drivers spot. The other disappointing part is that the dealer confirmed our mileage and said although it was low, it would improve after 5000 miles - it did not, and now they say there's nothing they can do. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by powers1481@msn.
I agree with Lizzy40, I have tracked every tank since new, and I also know how to calculate MPG. It's disappointing to be promised "that or better" mileage by the dealer because "Honda Prides Itself on accuracy" and to receive a sizable difference. We were deciding between the Highlander and the Pilot, liked the legroom in the Pilots drivers spot. The other disappointing part is that the dealer confirmed our mileage and said although it was low, it would improve after 5000 miles - it did not, and now they say there's nothing they can do.
Let me ask a question (or three)
Realistically, what are you getting? (not the worst tank, but the annual average)
Realistically, what were you expecting?
How many miles do you drive a year? |
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| tfrain |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Let me ask a question (or three)
Realistically, what are you getting? (not the worst tank, but the annual average)
Realistically, what were you expecting?
How many miles do you drive a year?
I'll answer that myself with:
1. 17 MPG
2. 20 MPG
3. It looks like it'll be about 15K per year.
Now there is no need to figure out a $$ figure for the diff. between what I expected and what I got over a year. To me, it is just the fact that I typically get the same of better than what the OLD STICKER said on any car. My civic - right at 30 no matter how I drive. My old camry - 30 to 33 no matter how I drive.
3 MPG isn't a lot I grant that. But it is kinda like the difference between a $275 a month car note (under $300) and a carnote that breaks $300 - just something about it that bothers me.
In addition, I love the Pilot. I really do. Just recently i got into my BIL's Tahoe and thought "this thing looks huge on the outside, but the inside isn't that much diffferent than the pilot and of course mine is a honda" - BUT BUT BUT - his Tahoe has V8 power, can tow like a vehicle issupposed to tow, and gets only 1 MPG less in REAL WORLD DRIVING. I think that is what is frustrating about the Pilot. You are kinda ashamed to tell people it only gets 17 mpg - they say "is it a V8?" - no its a V6 you say - "Wow, I thought Honda's were supposed to get good gas mileage" - yeah, well me, too. - "My Tahoe, Sequoia, Excursion gets 16 mpg usually and we have a V8" - yeah, well screw you.
That sorta thing..
I think some of you know what I mean.
The pilot still rocks though - best bargain out there STILL! Just want 3 more MPG. |
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| larryziegler |
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Originally posted by lizzy40
I drive about 60 % city and 40 % highway so combined. Each time I take my milage I take the mileage of the previous fill up and the current mileage at the current fill up with how many gallons I fill it up with at the curent fill up then I go home subtract the two mileage amounts to find out how many miles I drove between fill ups and then divide the miles driven by the gallons it took to fill it up currently and walla I have my MPG.
If just taking the math component to task here, if you get 15 mpg in straight city driving and 22 mpg in highway driving, a 60/40 split of your driving usage would average just a shade over 17 mpg. Those are also figures that are usual to me and my driving style as well (I have the 4WD model). With the new EPA mileage of 15 City and 20 Highway, I am spot on with city estimates, but I exceed the highway estimates. In general, with all the Hondas I have owned, I have found them to be the most accurate to EPA standards than any other manufacturer. The people I know with Tahoes/Yukons are getting 12 mpg around town and 17-18 mpg on the highway, though some have told me if you are really conservative in driving technique and speed, 20 mpg is attainable on the highway. |
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| N_Jay |
I think the real issue is that the owners of all those "BIG" V8 SUVs are telling you what they get on a good tank, and not an average tank.
We Honda owners seem to have the opposite effect going on. We measure one bad tank, and get in a tissy over it. |
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| kraky |
At some point in time Honda gear down the Pilot considerably. I had an 03 with awd and it got 23 mpg pretty consistant at 70 mph. Now I have an 07 that won't get 21.
The 03 went 7 mph faster at the same rpm as the 07. If I remember right at 15-1600 rpm the 03 was doing 55 mph and the 07 is doing 48 mph.
I think that was the "deal breaker" in mileage and why so many are complaining.
The funny thing is I think Honda kept claiming the same epa estimates for all years of production from 03-07. They should have reduced the estimates when they geared it down about 10%. This is the only vehicle I've had for a long time that really is not capable of getting the epa mileage. (Although I'm not quite giving up yet as I've found a station without ethanol blend). I will see if that helps a bit but I'm not counting on it. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by kraky
The funny thing is I think Honda kept claiming the same epa estimates for all years of production from 03-07. They should have reduced the estimates when they geared it down about 10%.
Honda does not claim it.
The ratings are done by the trusty and all knowing US Government.
What did you want Honda to do, put out a press release that says; "We earned 17 and 20 for the EPA, but we think it will be worse.":confused: :rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by kraky
This is the only vehicle I've had for a long time that really is not capable of getting the epa mileage. (Although I'm not quite giving up yet as I've found a station without ethanol blend). I will see if that helps a bit but I'm not counting on it.
Maybe its the only one you have had, but just about every auto forum is full of similar complaints. |
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| kraky |
I wonder if the EPA retests every year what they think is the same auto. If they are unaware of the gearing change they may have just let the mileage rating keep sliding. If they do in fact retest EVERY vehicle EVERY year....then shame on them for not getting it right.
Having and liked the gas mileage and gear ratio's on the '03 I'm disappointed that Honda stepped backward over the next 3 yrs.
Having the newer V-6 in my '06 toyota AValon and being amazed by the mileage I'm getting I'm anxious to see actual reports of the same engine in the Highlander and Sienna. It's my guess it will be substantially better than the current Pilot layout. It will be a "hotbutton" for me on my next SUV purchase. |
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| larryziegler |
quote:
Originally posted by kraky
I wonder if the EPA retests every year what they think is the same auto. If they are unaware of the gearing change they may have just let the mileage rating keep sliding. If they do in fact retest EVERY vehicle EVERY year....then shame on them for not getting it right.
Having and liked the gas mileage and gear ratio's on the '03 I'm disappointed that Honda stepped backward over the next 3 yrs.
Having the newer V-6 in my '06 toyota AValon and being amazed by the mileage I'm getting I'm anxious to see actual reports of the same engine in the Highlander and Sienna. It's my guess it will be substantially better than the current Pilot layout. It will be a "hotbutton" for me on my next SUV purchase.
Technically, the gearing change raised (lower numerically) the gearing so that highway mileage should be slightly better, not worse. A lower numerical value is better for economy than a higher number. Both differential gearing and transmission gearing were raised. The difference is the engine. A 2003 has the 240 hp 6 cyl, and the newer models have the 255 hp (now revised to 244 hp) 6 cyl. |
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| kraky |
Not sure what they did "technically" but if an engine has to spin 10% faster to go the same speed....which is what my '07 has to do to match the speed of my '03....I would think it's going to use more fuel. (I'm going by tachometer readings in both vehicles).
Yes my 03 downshifted a bit more on hills but in general I would much prefer a vehicle going the same speed at lower engine rpms' for gas mileage.
By the way...it seems that when I read through the "mileage" posts I usually see people having complaints on the newer pilots and then when someone chimes in and says they are getting good mileage it's the guys with the 2003 and 2004 pilots that are doing good. |
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| kraky |
Just did a google search and yes the 07 pilot is gear lower than the '04. Gear ratio in 5th gear for '07 is .595:1 gear ratio for '04 was .520:1.
Maybe a 6 speed tranny with that older gear ratio as 6th gear would bring mileage back to life. |
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| tfrain |
quote:
Originally posted by kraky
This is the only vehicle I've had for a long time that really is not capable of getting the epa mileage.
Exactly.... |
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| BigDozer66 |
quote:
Originally posted by kraky
Just did a google search and yes the 07 pilot is gear lower than the '04. Gear ratio in 5th gear for '07 is .595:1 gear ratio for '04 was .520:1.
Maybe a 6 speed tranny with that older gear ratio as 6th gear would bring mileage back to life.
My F150, with V-6 5 speed, truck with 3:55 rear end in it gets better gas mileage than my older one's that had 3:23 rear ends in them.
The engine just doesn't have enough power to hold 70 on the highway with the 'higher' gear (lower number) rear ends in them.
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| kraky |
I can believe it might have worked that way for the Fords. But in my 2 Honda pilots it was the opposite. AND...once again looking at posts about gas mileage it seems the guys with the '03 and '04's are definately having the best luck.
I've been watching a forum on the new highlander and the guys are real happy with the mileage.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t209980.html
I haven't driven the new highlander but plan to soon. I have been in one in the showroom and it has the extra room in the middle seat that I'm looking for. (although I admit the pass through to the back isn't too clever).
I'll probably have my 07 pilot till the new pilot comes out...then it will probably be decision time between the highlander and the pilot. |
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| BigDozer66 |
quote:
Originally posted by kraky
I can believe it might have worked that way for the Fords. But in my 2 Honda pilots it was the opposite. AND...once again looking at posts about gas mileage it seems the guys with the '03 and '04's are definately having the best luck.
I've been watching a forum on the new highlander and the guys are real happy with the mileage.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t209980.html
I haven't driven the new highlander but plan to soon. I have been in one in the showroom and it has the extra room in the middle seat that I'm looking for. (although I admit the pass through to the back isn't too clever).
I'll probably have my 07 pilot till the new pilot comes out...then it will probably be decision time between the highlander and the pilot.
Unless they increased the size of the Highlander exponentially then it would still be to small for our tastes. The '07 Highly was considerably smaller than the Pilot as we were looking at one of the Hybrids.
Our combined total MPG's on our '07 is just over 21 MPG's with almost 4000 miles on it.:)
We had one road trip that was 24.4 IIRC and the lowest was 19.8.:cool:
It isn'a quite the 29+ combined that we were getting in the '04 Accord but the Pilot is more versatile for us.
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| pratzert |
quote:
Originally posted by BigDozer66
Unless they increased the size of the Highlander exponentially then it would still be to small for our tastes. The '07 Highly was considerably smaller than the Pilot as we were looking at one of the Hybrids.
Our combined total MPG's on our '07 is just over 21 MPG's with almost 4000 miles on it.:)
We had one road trip that was 24.4 IIRC and the lowest was 19.8.:cool:
It isn't quite the 29+ combined that we were getting in the '04 Accord but the Pilot is more versatile for us.
BigDozer66
I bought the 2006 Pilot.... we looked very seriously at the Hilghlander Limited model. It is considerably smaller on the interior AND with the Limited model it requires PREMIUM fuel.
And the final blow to getting the Highlander was: It Costs more !
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| kraky |
The '08 highlander is much bigger than the previous models. AND the better news is that they are now running the same V-6 as the Avalon. We had an 03 Accord (traded on a '06 Avalon) and couldn't believe the bigger Avy could consistantly beat the mileage on the Accord. It does hand's down. Going to the cabin 90 miles away we consistantly get 35mpg with cruise on 62mph. Last weekend we went to a Packer game with the cruise on 73mph and got a consistant 32.5 mpg going into a slight headwind with 4 people in the car.
This engine runs on regular gas.
If you are getting 21 mpg combined out of an '06 Pilot and you have AWD that is phenominal. If you have the 2 wd with cyl management then that is not surprising. |
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| halzhu |
Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:
Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.
I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get. So I searched Google for "Complaints Honda Pilot Gas mileage" and found this website very first time. I have read some defensive responses here, such as your driving habit, tire pressure, how your gas miles were measured, how hard you push the gas pedal or break, etc.... None of the obvious reasons apply to my situation, I am always a driver caring about gas miles to most extent over many cars I have driven. As a habit, I measure and calculate my gas miles every single tank of gas and average them even monthly. I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.
I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim. |
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| lizzy40 |
| I would be more then willing to be in on a class action suit. I too am very carefull on my driving habits and on freeway I keep it between 65 to 70 to conserve on gas and I have been taking my gas millage ever since I got my pilot and my average is 16 MPG. I have never hit 18 at all yet. I have a 2 wheel drive pilot that is almost a year old and has almost 9000 miles on it. It has never gotten better since I bought it. If a class action suit agains Honda Corp. happens I want to be in on it. I have been very upset about the claims that my pilot is supposed to get between 18 to 25 MPG and I have NEVER even hit the 18 MPG yet. Like I said my average is 16. |
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| Nathan_P |
quote:
Originally posted by halzhu
Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:
Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.
Those are EPA estimates...not Honda's estimates. Go ahead & sue the government if you want to. :rolleyes:
I don't understand everyone's gripes about mileage...if you needed/wanted a full size SUV for the same reasons many of us did (cargo space, safety, towing/hauling, etc) you won't find a better choice than a Pilot in my opinion. Mileage is as good or better than nearly all of it's competitors (Ford Explorer-14/20mpg, Jeep Grand Cherokee-15/20mpg, Buick Rainier-15/20mpg, Chevy Trailblazer-14/18mpg, Dodge Durango-14/18mpg to name just a few) & all of those have no capability of seating 8 people BTW. Obviously there are many other choices but feel free to look them up & compare their EPA mileage against the Pilots.
If all you are looking @ is just the MPG, you should have gotten a Toyota Prius or Honda Fit because you obviously didn't need a SUV. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by halzhu
Pilot False gas mileage from Honda like its Accord Hybrid:
Two years ago, I bought a new Pilot EX-L because Honda's ad "Best mileage of the SUV in its kind, when I was comparing with Toyota 4Runner. After breakin and after 5000 miles, I was never able to get the Pilot claimed 17-22.
I was just curious about what gas miles the other Pilot owner would get. So I searched Google for "Complaints Honda Pilot Gas mileage" and found this website very first time. I have read some defensive responses here, such as your driving habit, tire pressure, how your gas miles were measured, how hard you push the gas pedal or break, etc.... None of the obvious reasons apply to my situation, I am always a driver caring about gas miles to most extent over many cars I have driven. As a habit, I measure and calculate my gas miles every single tank of gas and average them even monthly. I disappointed with my Honda Pilot gas mileage mostly 16 mpg on a routine 40 mile daily trip with 70% freeway and good Salt Lake County urban highway and no traffic jams.
I agree a suggestion to file a class action against Honda's false gas mileage claim.
Good luck with that. I think many people fail to realize that the gas mileage estimates are determined by the EPA, not the manufacturer. Besides, the Pilot isn't the only vehicle that consumers have been disappointed with actual gas mileage. Do another Google search on the Toyota Prius.
Despite all the complaints, there are many Pilot owners that DO get gas mileage that falls within the EPA estimate... including myself. There are many variables that affect gas mileage that are not in your control (gas formulation, temperature, elevation, etc.). |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan_P
If all you are looking @ is just the MPG, you should have gotten a Toyota Prius or Honda Fit because you obviously didn't need a SUV.
Heh, those same people would probably be wanting a class action suit against Toyota because they wouldn't be getting gas mileage matching the EPA's estimate for the Prius. |
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| discgolfer |
I have a 2005 Pilot 4wd with 60k at first a mix of city and highway was averaging about 17 mpg, first long trip all highway with some stop and go traffic got up to 23 mpg. When I bought it I was expecting about 20 mpg and it looks like thats what I will be getting
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| pilotnc |
2005 103,00 miles.
W/AC 15 stops in town 16.8-18 MPG, no AC 17.4-18.5MPG
Hwy within 5-10 of speed limit 22.5-24.5MPG add .5 with no AC. |
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| lizzy40 |
| I think the 2003 - 2005 pilots get better gas millage then the 2006 and 2007 pilots. |
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| Nathan_P |
quote:
Originally posted by lizzy40
I think the 2003 - 2005 pilots get better gas millage then the 2006 and 2007 pilots.
I read somewhere on here that 03-05 Pilots were geared just a little bit lower than the 06-07's, but I doubt it would make a drastic difference in MPG. Driving style is the largest factor in fuel economy. |
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| GreenMachine |
I was driving yesterday on the way to work, and my scanguage II was reading a constant 30mpg at 57mph in a 55 zone, with no A/C, flat road, tires at 35psi, cool temps outside and just me in the car. I know it's not totally exacty, but that's still pretty good.
It is possible to get good mileage, but they say it really plummets as you go over 60mph |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
It is possible to get good mileage, but they say it really plummets as you go over 60mph
I think that isn't always true. A co-worker has a 2007 Pilot EX-L. He said that no matter if he drives the speed limit or 5-10 mph over, with or without the A/C, his gas mileage is the same.
He made frequent trips to visit his daughter in college and has tried different things, but nothing seems to improve the gas mileage... gets about 19-20 mpg. |
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| tim.s |
It seems that since the weather changed (cooled), I've been getting better mileage. My last three tanks have been right around 18.7 mpg with the normal commuter/sidestreet driving.
I recently drove round trip on the highway (about 175 miles, non-stop, both ways) and had the following averages:
21.6mpg - daytime driving, cruise set at 75 or higher
23.7mpg - night time driving, cruise set at 70-75
I was the only passenger and I wasn't carrying any gear. Seemed pretty reasonable for a solo trip. Other trips with family and luggage seem to drag the mileage back down around 18-19mpg. |
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| GreenMachine |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
I think that isn't always true. A co-worker has a 2007 Pilot EX-L. He said that no matter if he drives the speed limit or 5-10 mph over, with or without the A/C, his gas mileage is the same.
He made frequent trips to visit his daughter in college and has tried different things, but nothing seems to improve the gas mileage... gets about 19-20 mpg.
well, like I said before the Scanguage isn't 100% accurate I'm sure, but when I go faster on the highway, the instant gas mileage reading goes down. That's using the cruise control too. Even between 70 and 75, it still reads about 23 - 25mpg in the same conditions stated above. I can live with that. :4: |
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| powers1481@msn. |
We're glad you have a solid opinion and pertinent information that will help.
Thanks |
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| Mcsierra |
I don't recall what day we bought our Pilot but I can tell you when it's been to a gas station. I have a detailed Spread sheet from the day it was purchased.
It's been filled up 67 Times to date, so everyone posting get 3 or 5 readings to get an accurate reading I hope my 67 will cover your standards...
Rather than an individual breakdown on every tank. I'll share my Monthly averages...
- Month - Driven - Gallons - PPG - Cost - MPG - PPM - MP$
- August-06 - 549.1 - 36.15 - $2.85 - $103.4 - 15.22 - $0.189 - 5.35
- Sept-06 - 695.8 - 51.66 - $2.53 - $130.43 - 13.5 - $0.188 - 5.33
- Oct-06 - 1100.90 - 69.14 - $2.13 - $147.05 - 16.14 - $0.135 - 7.56
- Nov-6 - 941 - 66.59 - $2.09 - $139.25 - 14.06 - $0.149 - 6.73
- Dec-06 - 992.3 - 68.58 - $2.21 - $151.45 - 14.48 - $0.153 - 6.56
- Jan-07 - 736 - 52.29 - $2.13 - $111.58 - 14.05 - $0.152 - 6.58
- Feb-07 - 826.8 - 61.79 - $2.10 - $130.17 - 13.46 - $0.157 - 6.43
- Mar-07 - 978.7 - 71.17 - $2.45 - $174.76 - 13.76 - $0.178 - 5.61
- Apr-07 - 1428.9 - 89.7 - $2.71 - $242.46 - 16.03 - $0.172 - 5.90
- May-07 - 815.8 - 54.04 - $2.91 - $157.27 - 15.09 - $0.193 - 5.18
- Jun-07 - 1091.10 - 68.55 - $2.93 - $200.40 - 16.07 - $0.185 - 5.48
- Jul-07 - 1134.2 - 71.24 - $2.78 - $198.00 - 15.9 - $0.176 - 5.73
- Aug-07 - 2828.6 - 147.88 - $2.65 - $391.69 - 18.92 - $0.145 - 7.14
- Sept-07 - 1160.20 - 71.74 - $2.51 - $180.36 - 16.25 - $0.156 - 6.46
- Oct-07 - 1058.1 - 68.57 - $2.54 - $174.17 - 15.39 - $0.165 - 6.06
- Nov-07 - 734.3 - 49.81 - $2.87 - $142.69 - 14.83 - $0.194 - 5.15
AVG - 1101.55 - 70.85 - $2.50 - $178.11 - 15.19 - $0.167 - 6.13
Oil was Changed with Royal Purple on 12/31/2006 & 5/27/2007 & 9/16/2007
Note: on the 9/16/2007 I also changed to the K&N Replacement filter |
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| RKW |
| 2006 model. Best around town 15 MPG. Best highway 24 MPG. You really have to watch your technique to achieve that MPG though. I have a 2007 GMC truck with a 5.3 liter engine that gets exactly the same numbers. I aint *****in', just sayin'. :) |
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| hondapeople |
| People don't buy a Pilot for better gas mileage over a full sized SUV. Full sized SUV's (we owned an '03 Sequoia) typically get 12-20mpg--City/Hwy. The Pilot is a reliable mid sized for those of us who like Honda products. So yeah, we're going to get 14-22mpg out of our Pilots--It's expected. |
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| archie |
quote:
we're going to get 14-22mpg out of our Pilots--It's expected.
Many owners did not expect 14-22 mpg. That is why so many owners post about mileage. 2007 Pilot 4wd EPA rating is 15-20. The old rating was 17-22.
Some owners have posted the number of gallons and miles and got only 15.xx mpg. They have the facts and can not be discredited.
If vehicles like Pilot get only 15.xx mpg, Honda will lose the reputation for fuel efficiency. 15.xx mpg is not high mileage. They need to improve mileage. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by archie
Many owners did not expect 14-22 mpg. That is why so many owners post about mileage. 2007 Pilot 4wd EPA rating is 15-20. The old rating was 17-22.
Some owners have posted the number of gallons and miles and got only 15.xx mpg. They have the facts and can not be discredited.
If vehicles like Pilot get only 15.xx mpg, Honda will lose the reputation for fuel efficiency. 15.xx mpg is not high mileage. They need to improve mileage.
But there are plenty of people getting 17 to 22 also (probably more since they have no reason to post).
There are 100's of reasons a car will get worse then the EPA mileage.
Most have to do with the driver and how it is driven and |
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| mainerunr |
So from what I've read of this thread (not all 16 pages of it), if I were to buy a Pilot, I could reasonably expect 15 city, 19-20 highway with it?
Not that I am all that concerned but, we are considering replacing the Accord with something that has room for the dog (other than between the car seat and booster seat) and I like to have some idea of what I can expect for 'budgeting' purposes. |
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| sjlee |
We've had our Pilot for a couple years and our average gas mileage over that span of time is approximately 18 MPG (mixed driving). We've never driven an entire tankful with city driving, so I cannot comment on what to expect. With all highway driving, we've gotten 21-22 MPG.
Some things that are probably contributing to our gas mileage:
1. Set the tire pressure to 36 PSI.
2. Still running the stock tires.
3. Ease onto throttle when driving (keep RPMs under 3k). |
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| GYG |
We've been getting around 15-17mpg in town (depending on the weight of my foot!), and just got a bit over 21mpg on the second half of a 400 mile highway trip.
Actually, on the way to ] our destination we averaged about 73mph, and got about 19.5mpg. On the way back, I kept it at around 67-68mph, and got just over 21mpg. Seems awful sensitive crossing that 70mph mark. No real wind to speak of either way, and it was about 20 degrees all day long.
Lovin' the pilot though...got it about 45 days ago, and it feels very solid. Feels HUGE compared to our old CR-V though, but being 6'5", 315lbs, it fits me MUCH better than the CR-V. |
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| jdeanski |
| I filled up New Year's Eve for the last time in 2007. For the entire year I filled up 46 times with a total of 593.266 gallons costing me $1639.67 and averaged 19.75 MPG. The lowest mileage was 17.07 MPG, my best was 25.28. In 2006 I averaged 19.59 MPG. I continue to be impressed with my Pilot's mileage. |
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| chilidogbb |
Just curious if anyone else has had this experience too. I have an '04 Pilot with 105k. just had the timing belt, fuel cleaner, etc. done. also put new ltx tires on it. Of course it could be winter, but I'm now only getting 250 miles per tank vs. 330 previously. any ideas?
I love the new tires for the pilot. they've been outstanding in the ice. no problems whatsoever! |
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| BigDozer66 |
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Originally posted by chilidogbb
Just curious if anyone else has had this experience too. I have an '04 Pilot with 105k. just had the timing belt, fuel cleaner, etc. done. also put new ltx tires on it. Of course it could be winter, but I'm now only getting 250 miles per tank vs. 330 previously. any ideas?
I love the new tires for the pilot. they've been outstanding in the ice. no problems whatsoever!
I find myself letting mine idle more to keep the heater toasty and warm during the winter.:4:
With all the Christmas shopping, running to family and touring the lights in neighborhoods I saw the mileage drop considerably.
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by chilidogbb
Just curious if anyone else has had this experience too. I have an '04 Pilot with 105k. just had the timing belt, fuel cleaner, etc. done. also put new ltx tires on it. Of course it could be winter, but I'm now only getting 250 miles per tank vs. 330 previously. any ideas?
I love the new tires for the pilot. they've been outstanding in the ice. no problems whatsoever!
Have you tracked your gas mileage since you bought the Pilot? Did your mileage drop last winter too?
In the wintertime, as BigDozer pointed out, peeople's driving habits tend to change. People let their car idle longer and also take more short trips (more shopping trips). In addition, many gas stations switch to a winter gas formulation may hurt gas mileage.
The LTX tires also will negatively affect your gas mileage... as they have more rolling resistance than the OEM Michelins.
Each of these things don't have a big impact on gas mileage individually, but together they would make a difference. |
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| mainerunr |
quote:
Originally posted by chilidogbb
Just curious if anyone else has had this experience too. I have an '04 Pilot with 105k. just had the timing belt, fuel cleaner, etc. done. also put new ltx tires on it. Of course it could be winter, but I'm now only getting 250 miles per tank vs. 330 previously. any ideas?
I love the new tires for the pilot. they've been outstanding in the ice. no problems whatsoever!
I think that's pretty typical. Winter gas, colder air and it is also likely that the engine is set to run rich until it reaches operating temperatures and it takes longer to get there in the winter.
are the tires the same size the the ones that came off? if not, everything speedo/odo related will be off. not only that but if the new tires are heavier, there is more rotating mass, more inertia, etc and that affects mileage as well. |
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| gvsukush |
Just purchased a 2008 Honda Pilot VP. The first 3/4 of a tank only got about 14.5 MPG, mixed city/hwy and some snowy roads here in west Michigan. I've been VERY consious to not punch the gas at all and keep it around 75 on the Freeway. The second tank got about 15-16. The pilot only has about 500 miles on it, would I expect to get better gas mileage after a couple thousand miles and maybe even some warmer weather? I've always felt like cold weather + winter mix gas = crappy gas mileage. I'm just hoping to get around 19 overall, the Ford Freestyle we got rid of got around 22 overall and I feel owning a Pilot with 4wd and superior constructon is worth the loss of a couple MPG's.
It WILL get better won't it?? |
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| BigDozer66 |
quote:
Originally posted by gvsukush
Just purchased a 2008 Honda Pilot VP. The first 3/4 of a tank only got about 14.5 MPG, mixed city/hwy and some snowy roads here in west Michigan. I've been VERY consious to not punch the gas at all and keep it around 75 on the Freeway. The second tank got about 15-16. The pilot only has about 500 miles on it, would I expect to get better gas mileage after a couple thousand miles and maybe even some warmer weather? I've always felt like cold weather + winter mix gas = crappy gas mileage. I'm just hoping to get around 19 overall, the Ford Freestyle we got rid of got around 22 overall and I feel owning a Pilot with 4wd and superior constructon is worth the loss of a couple MPG's.
It WILL get better won't it??
Welcome to HondaPilot.org!:cool:
I think it will get better when you get to the warmer months as the gas is mixed a little different then.
I find myself leaving mine running more when one of us has to run in somewhere for a second if the temperature is really cold.:4:
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| gvsukush |
quote:
Originally posted by BigDozer66
Welcome to HondaPilot.org!:cool:
I think it will get better when you get to the warmer months as the gas is mixed a little different then.
I find myself leaving mine running more when one of us has to run in somewhere for a second if the temperature is really cold.:4:
BigDozer66
Thanks!
You mean cold as in 7 degrees with a 30 mph west wind like this morning? Solid ice on the freeway? 6 inches of new snow? THAT kinda cold? ;) |
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| rlapid |
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Originally posted by jdeanski
I filled up New Year's Eve for the last time in 2007. For the entire year I filled up 46 times with a total of 593.266 gallons costing me $1639.67 and averaged 19.75 MPG. The lowest mileage was 17.07 MPG, my best was 25.28. In 2006 I averaged 19.59 MPG. I continue to be impressed with my Pilot's mileage.
how do you get such good mpg?! :eek: i've tried many different techniques (keeping highway speed under 75, easing on the throttle, overinflating tires, coasting, a/c off, etc.) and the best i could ever come up with was 21.9 MPG. on average (mixed city/highway), i'm getting about 18 MPG. what's your secret? |
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| jdeanski |
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Originally posted by rlapid
how do you get such good mpg?! :eek: .........................................i'm getting about 18 MPG. what's your secret?
Well Florida is pretty flat but I do have you use my A/C 7 months of the year. I don't have a real heavy foot and I do use the cruise control alot. On my drive to work there are two areas that just beg you drive over the posted limit and they provide ripe hunting for smokey which is why I use my cruise control...................It must work, I haven't had a ticket in forty years (and boy did I deserve that one). |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by gvsukush
Just purchased a 2008 Honda Pilot VP. The first 3/4 of a tank only got about 14.5 MPG, mixed city/hwy and some snowy roads here in west Michigan. I've been VERY consious to not punch the gas at all and keep it around 75 on the Freeway. The second tank got about 15-16. The pilot only has about 500 miles on it, would I expect to get better gas mileage after a couple thousand miles and maybe even some warmer weather? I've always felt like cold weather + winter mix gas = crappy gas mileage. I'm just hoping to get around 19 overall, the Ford Freestyle we got rid of got around 22 overall and I feel owning a Pilot with 4wd and superior constructon is worth the loss of a couple MPG's.
It WILL get better won't it??
Well, you really shouldn't base your expectations on just one tankful. Give it at least a few months to get an idea of what you're getting for gas mileage (on average).
That being said, gas mileage will improve slightly once the engine is broken in. In addition, some find that adding 3-5 psi more than what Honda recommends is helpful. Also realize that some accessories will negatively affect gas mileage.
The Ford Freestyle is a smaller SUV than the Pilot, so you can't really expect the same gas mileage. |
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| archie |
quote:
That being said, gas mileage will improve slightly once the engine is broken in.
If that were true, a new Honda engine and drive train would have much more friction than an old one. That would mean lots of rubbing and binding of internal parts until they wear down to size. An engine build that way probably would not very long. Never did own a new car that got better mileage as it got older. Not even Honda. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by archie
If that were true, a new Honda engine and drive train would have much more friction than an old one. That would mean lots of rubbing and binding of internal parts until they wear down to size. An engine build that way probably would not very long. Never did own a new car that got better mileage as it got older. Not even Honda.
MANY people here have experienced steadily improving mileage for the first 5000 mils or so.
It takes very little extra drag to reduce mileage, so your assumption is not true.
There are also "tuning" algorithms in the engine controller that I believe take several tanks of gas to fine tune to your driving.
I am also a firm believer that the driver becoming used to the car has some effect.
How many cars have you owned that you took careful mileage measurements over the first several thousand miles? |
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| gvsukush |
I never expected 22 MPG, especially with the large size of the Pilot, I'd honestly be happy with 18 MPG overall, but to me, 15 seemed a little low. We'll keep track of it closely, especially with the spike in gas prices that I hear is coming.:eek:
On the bright side, I drove the Pilot to work yesterday on the iciest roads I've ever been on in 12 years of driving and it never flinched. :) |
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| sblvro |
quote:
Originally posted by gvsukush
On the bright side, I drove the Pilot to work yesterday on the iciest roads I've ever been on in 12 years of driving and it never flinched. :)
because it is FWD all the time:4: |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gvsukush
I never expected 22 MPG, especially with the large size of the Pilot, I'd honestly be happy with 18 MPG overall, but to me, 15 seemed a little low. We'll keep track of it closely, especially with the spike in gas prices that I hear is coming.:eek:
Single tank MPG measurements are notoriously unreliable.
Partial tank measurements are only 1/2 as accurate! :D ;)
Give it time to break in and for you to get used to the car (and to get out of winter gas season).
BTW, for most people the difference between 15 and 18 MPG is only about 3 cents a a mile. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
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BTW, for most people the difference between 15 and 18 MPG is only about 3 cents a a mile.
With my annual mileage last year, 3 cents a mile was $329 for the year. Less than a buck a day, but still a nice little chunk of iPod nano change. :cool: |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by jay
With my annual mileage last year, 3 cents a mile was $329 for the year. Less than a buck a day, but still a nice little chunk of iPod nano change. :cool:
But way less than the cost of trading your car in less than 3 years, or leasing at all.:D :D |
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| jay |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
But way less than the cost of trading your car in less than 3 years, or leasing at all.:D :D
:1:Touche' |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by archie
If that were true, a new Honda engine and drive train would have much more friction than an old one. That would mean lots of rubbing and binding of internal parts until they wear down to size. An engine build that way probably would not very long. Never did own a new car that got better mileage as it got older. Not even Honda.
It is true. Many long-term vehicle tests show gas mileage improvement after the engine has broken in. On our Pilot, I've recorded every single gas fill-up and calculated the milage. I noted an increase in gas mileage after the 10k mile mark.
If you need more proof...
EPA's website
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/factors.shtml
"New vehicles will not obtain their optimal fuel economy until the engine has broken in. This may take 3-5 thousand miles." |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
It is true. Many long-term vehicle tests show gas mileage improvement after the engine has broken in. On our Pilot, I've recorded every single gas fill-up and calculated the milage. I noted an increase in gas mileage after the 10k mile mark.
If you need more proof...
EPA's website
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/factors.shtml
"New vehicles will not obtain their optimal fuel economy until the engine has broken in. This may take 3-5 thousand miles."
People seem to forget that there is much more then just the engine breaking in. You have the entire drive line to break in. |
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| whizmo |
quote:
Originally posted by archie
If that were true, a new Honda engine and drive train would have much more friction than an old one. That would mean lots of rubbing and binding of internal parts until they wear down to size. An engine build that way probably would not very long. Never did own a new car that got better mileage as it got older. Not even Honda.
It might surprise you at the amount of internal friction there is in any engine - it's on the order of 10% of the total engine output. It's not "rubbing and binding" per se - it's just the normal oil drag and friction in bearings, chains, gears, piston rings, valve trains, final drives, cam drives, cam followers, etc. Even perfectly meshing gear drives will lose 5% or more of their power to friction. It's completely normal. In most places, the oil supply carries away this frictional heat and rejects it to the cooling system.
A new engine will have slightly higher levels of friction than one after 5K or 10K miles. For example, a new engine might have internal friction of 11% whereas a well-broken in engine it would be 9%. So you can expect correspoding increases in gas mileage after break-in, a few percent max. It's not a huge deal as some say, but it is definitely there and measurable.
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| jestmaty |
| Just got 23.3 on a Houston to Austin one day run. About 330 miles roundtrip on 14 gallons. Great job!!! |
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| 2pilot |
| On my 07 2wd Pilot, I get 19.8 in 50% highway and 50% city driving. Its got 9k and has been consistently improving.....I went to Virginia on a trip to the Insurance Institute For Highway Safety and got 25mpg going 75mph with A/C on low. I wonder if my mileage with get any better later on....the 06 4wd Pilot I used to have, got 18.5mpg in my everday highway/city driving whare the 07 gets 19.8, the 06 got 23 highway and my 07 2wd gets 25. The 06 had 20k and the 07 has 9k and still gets better milage....that VCM really helps on the highway. Im surprised I get what get both, the way I drive, I always tac up from 3000rpm to 4000 rpm alot. On my trip in the 07 when I got the 25 mpg, I passed 3 people letting the rpms run up to 4500, and I still got that mileage, very impressive. Its easy to get up to like 90mph on the highway and Ill look down and go WHOAH and ill have to set the cruise. The Pilot really goes fast.....:2: |
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City driving really varies. If you have to go through a lot of stop lights, and there are a lot of inclines, the mileage will be bad.
With highway driving, speed kills mileage. With my 2001 Accord V6, I could get over 30mpg driving in the 60-65 mph range on flattish highways, but if I did the same route at 90mph, the mileage would drop by 10mpg. |
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| bjriffel |
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Originally posted by sjlee
In addition, some find that adding 3-5 psi more than what Honda recommends is helpful. Also realize that some accessories will negatively affect gas mileage.
2 questions:
Won't the extra air effect the wear and tear on the tires? You might get better mpg, but have to replace the tires more frequently.
Which accessories are these? I'm getting ready to get an '08 EX.
THANKS! |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by bjriffel
2 questions:
Won't the extra air effect the wear and tear on the tires? You might get better mpg, but have to replace the tires more frequently.
Which accessories are these? I'm getting ready to get an '08 EX.
THANKS!
Unless you are extremely over inflated, more air reduces tire wear, so you tires actually last longer.
Any accessory that adds weight or drag is negative on MPG. |
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| bjriffel |
Thanks!
Here's another question:
I'm trying to decide between the 2wd and the 4wd models of the 2008. The salesman said that we would see little or no difference in MPG between the two. That would mean that the Honda website is just blowing smoke about their "Variable Cylinder Management"
http://automobiles.honda.com/pilot/...x?Feature=ivtec
Can anybody give any evidence either way? I know that the 4wd can tow more, but are there any other major differences (besides obviously having all 4 wheels moving:)
Thanks! |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by bjriffel
Thanks!
Here's another question:
I'm trying to decide between the 2wd and the 4wd models of the 2008. The salesman said that we would see little or no difference in MPG between the two. That would mean that the Honda website is just blowing smoke about their "Variable Cylinder Management"
http://automobiles.honda.com/pilot/...x?Feature=ivtec
Can anybody give any evidence either way? I know that the 4wd can tow more, but are there any other major differences (besides obviously having all 4 wheels moving:)
Thanks!
5-Speed Automatic (City/Highway/Combined; 2WD) 16 / 22 / 18
5-Speed Automatic (City/Highway/Combined; 4WD) 15 / 20 / 17
Most people find the their MPG has much more variability than the EPA numbers, so you may never notice the 1 to 2 mpg difference. |
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| whizmo |
The EPA numbers are representative of what you're likey to experience. If you do the math and drive 12K a year, the 2WD will save you about $150 a year. You may not notice it, but everything else being equal, that's what you'll save.
- Mark |
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| rocky |
I'm in the middle of my Feb roadtrip, having covered about 1200 miles since Sat.
mpg has been 20.3 and 20.4 with the most recent tank 22.4. Haven't hit the 24s that I've done in the past but I think I've been driving a little quicker than I have in the past living above 70 most of the time. Moving average speed so far is 64mph! |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by bjriffel
2 questions:
Won't the extra air effect the wear and tear on the tires? You might get better mpg, but have to replace the tires more frequently.
Which accessories are these? I'm getting ready to get an '08 EX.
THANKS!
1. A 3-5 psi increase won't affect tire wear. Going higher, you will start to wear out the enter faster than the rest of the tread.
2. I have the crossbars, side steps and towing package. All three will affect the weight and aerodynamics of the vehicle... causing a negative impact on gas mileage. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by bjriffel
Thanks!
Here's another question:
I'm trying to decide between the 2wd and the 4wd models of the 2008. The salesman said that we would see little or no difference in MPG between the two. That would mean that the Honda website is just blowing smoke about their "Variable Cylinder Management"
http://automobiles.honda.com/pilot/...x?Feature=ivtec
Can anybody give any evidence either way? I know that the 4wd can tow more, but are there any other major differences (besides obviously having all 4 wheels moving:)
Thanks!
The 2WD is rated to get slightly better gas mileage. If you don't need the extra towing capacity and 4WD, then you should get the 2WD. It's really a personal preference. Personally, I felt that having the 4WD was worth small drop in gas mileage. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
1. A 3-5 psi increase won't affect tire wear. Going higher, you will start to wear out the enter faster than the rest of the tread.
It would take much more than 5 psi over recommended to significantly wear radial tires.
Even with the center wearing faster, the overall tire life will still increase.
You are probably safe all they way up to the sidewall rating. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
It would take much more than 5 psi over recommended to significantly wear radial tires.
Even with the center wearing faster, the overall tire life will still increase.
You are probably safe all they way up to the sidewall rating.
Safe.. yes, but depending on the tread design, wearing out the center faster might affect all-season traction. Some tires have most of their all-season tread pattern down the middle, which means that wearing down the center faster will leave you will less all-season traction.
But you're right about needing to go much higher to start affecting wear. The biggest impact of going with a higher psi is probably the harsher ride. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
Safe.. yes, but depending on the tread design, wearing out the center faster might affect all-season traction. Some tires have most of their all-season tread pattern down the middle, which means that wearing down the center faster will leave you will less all-season traction.
But you're right about needing to go much higher to start affecting wear. The biggest impact of going with a higher psi is probably the harsher ride.
Links???
Most all-weather tires have nearly a slick bar in the center to reduce highway noise. |
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