| k9bf |
Hi all
I bought a new pilot with Navi last week. On the trip home from Chicago where I bought it, I got 17 mpg highway. Only had 12 miles on it when I started. After about 500 miles, I am still getting about 17 on the highway and 12 in town. Is this the best I can expect or will it get better after a few thousand miles? thanks
Ben
k9bf@uiuc.edu |
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| PNW-Pilot |
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Originally posted by k9bf
Hi all
I bought a new pilot with Navi last week. On the trip home from Chicago where I bought it, I got 17 mpg highway. Only had 12 miles on it when I started. After about 500 miles, I am still getting about 17 on the highway and 12 in town. Is this the best I can expect or will it get better after a few thousand miles? thanks
Ben
k9bf@uiuc.edu
It gets better after break in. We were getting around 22 on the highway, it increased to 24 after about 5000 miles, stayed the same to 19K.
The speed you drive has a great effect on the Pilot, we drove on a trip to Portland, I set the cruise for 65 for the lower speed limit, set it for 70 when that was the speed limit. Drove around for about 40 miles of town the other 370 miles were all freeway, we averaged 23.8 MPG for the entire trip. |
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| BK_STYLEZ |
| I have 4300 miles on my 06 Pilot now and I get about 14.1 mpg here in NYC with highway/local combination. But I got 19 mpg on two trips to Maryland. I just hope my mileage gets better after my first oil change soon. |
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| Hannahsmommy |
| HAte to tell you guys im at 12,000 and I am still getting 19mpg |
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| BCinTX |
| 70 or lower makes a big difference. I got 22-24 on this weekend's long trip, rarely going over 70. If I get much above 70 I only get 19-21. |
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| chazexl |
| so 80 85 is why i have crappy milage? |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by chazexl
so 80 85 is why i have crappy milage?
Maybe, but look at it this way.
Driving 80 to 85 gives you the free time to worry about your mileage! ;)
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| cwa107 |
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Originally posted by chazexl
so 80 85 is why i have crappy milage?
Mileage is incredibly variable, it's hard to pin a number on any one factor. But yes, the higher the speed, the lower the mileage because your engine has to work that much harder.
The big things to think about that might impact your mileage are the following:
- Accessories that impact aerodynamics (i.e. deflectors, running boards, etc.)
- Weight
- Use of A/C (A/C is always on by default unless you manually turn it off).
- Tire pressure
- Rate of speed and use of cruise on long trips.
- How heavy your foot is during times that you're not just cruising.
Unfortunately, the Pilot's mileage - much like the other SUVs in its class, is just not that great. If you bought your Pilot expecting economy car mileage, you were sadly mistaken. EPA estimates are just that, estimates - they are achieved under idealic circumstances and will vary greatly in real world conditions, hence the phrase "your mileage may vary". |
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| ThePilotster |
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Originally posted by k9bf
Hi all
I bought a new pilot with Navi last week. On the trip home from Chicago where I bought it, I got 17 mpg highway. Only had 12 miles on it when I started. After about 500 miles, I am still getting about 17 on the highway and 12 in town. Is this the best I can expect or will it get better after a few thousand miles? thanks
Ben
k9bf@uiuc.edu
I think part of the issue is highway miles. The manual states no fast acceleration, braking, towing or constant highway miles for the first 600 miles.. motor & tranny need to be broken in. I could be wrong on the mileage, but it's in the book |
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| Wrazor |
I'm not all happy about my "city" mpg...but am thrilled about the "highway" mpg. Below is a spreadsheet showing my first 5 fillups with results:
Date Gallons Cost Milage MPG Odometer Distination
1 Jun 30, 2006 10.335 $29.65 472.2 Local
2 Jul 1, 2006 17.630 $52.52 398.1 22.581 870.3 Florence, Ala. to Maggie Valley, NC
3 Jul 5, 2006 12.039 $35.86 248.3 20.625 1118.6 Local
4 Jul 6, 2006 16.250 $45.16 397.4 24.455 1416.0 Maggie Valley, NC to Florence, Ala.
5 Jul 15, 2006 16.756 $49.58 204 12.175 1620.0 Local
6 Jul 22, 2006 9.438 $27.83 119.8 12.693 1740.0 Local
Let me know when your MPG improves
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| Poki |
| I am very disappointed in my milage also. I just took a trip to Reno from SoCal. I averaged just 18.5 for the trip. Although, I must say it was HOT (100 to 113) and very HUMID. I probably averaged about 80 mph. I had 3 people in the car along with luggage, golf bags and other stuff. I had expected to get around 20 or so. I've got around 5,000 miles now. I hope it improves. |
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| ctobio |
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Originally posted by Poki
I am very disappointed in my milage also. I just took a trip to Reno from SoCal. I averaged just 18.5 for the trip. Although, I must say it was HOT (100 to 113) and very HUMID. I probably averaged about 80 mph. I had 3 people in the car along with luggage, golf bags and other stuff. I had expected to get around 20 or so. I've got around 5,000 miles now. I hope it improves.
Dude, you were laden with 3 people + their stuff, which is probably conservatively 800lbs, the a/c running on a VERY hot day, and traveling at 80mph, which is not an optimal speed for fuel efficiency. You got 18.5 mpg, consider me impressed you got THAT much.
If you drove by yourself with the a/c off at 65, your fuel economy would have been much higher. I'm not sure what you could have done to make your fuel economy worse, short of towing a boat too. |
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| Mystique |
Does the use of premium gasoline improve gas mileage?
I've been using 87 regular unleaded fuel eversince I bought my Pilot 2 years ago. It's been running fine on this fuel grade for almost 25k miles. My fuel consumption is around 15-17 mpg city driving and around 18-19 mpg highway driving.
On few occassions I would splurge on using 91 grade premium fuel when traveling long distance to the same destination. My mileage would go up from 18-19 mpg to 20-21 mpg. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by Mystique
Does the use of premium gasoline improve gas mileage?
I've been using 87 regular unleaded fuel eversince I bought my Pilot 2 years ago. It's been running fine on this fuel grade for almost 25k miles. My fuel consumption is around 15-17 mpg city driving and around 18-19 mpg highway driving.
On few occassions I would splurge on using 91 grade premium fuel when traveling long distance to the same destination. My mileage would go up from 18-19 mpg to 20-21 mpg.
Not likely. The Pilot's engine is designed for 87 octane. Using anything higher is just wasted money. In fact, premium unleaded is about 10 cents higher a gallon than regular unleaded. That's about 5% higher. You'd better be getting at least 5% higher MPG to make it worthwhile.
Just doing a few tanks with premium isn't a good test. Try going a few months with premium to see if you really get higher MPG. Like it has been stated before, there are so many variables that affect gas mileage (e.g. road conditions, temperature, load, stop-and-go driving, amount of idling, etc.).
BTW, we've had our Pilot since November last year. Since we got it, we've had an overall average of 17.7 MPG. We've got about 9500 miles on the odometer, and I've noticed that gas mileage has started to slowly improve. In our experience, our gas mileage has matched the EPA estimates (17 city/22 hwy).
Last week we went on a 350 mile trip and averaged 22 MPG. This was with the cruise set at 75 mph, the A/C on, fully loaded with cargo (both rows of seats down) and about 400 lbs in people. In addition, we have side steps and cross bars installed. |
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| helpless |
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Originally posted by Mystique
I've been using 87 regular unleaded fuel eversince I bought my Pilot 2 years ago. It's been running fine on this fuel grade for almost 25k miles. My fuel consumption is around 15-17 mpg city driving and around 18-19 mpg highway driving.
On few occassions I would splurge on using 91 grade premium fuel when traveling long distance to the same destination. My mileage would go up from 18-19 mpg to 20-21 mpg.
I've noticed the same thing.
Everytime I use premium gas, my gas mileage goes up 1 to 2 miles to a gallon. I always use regular 87 grade fuel on my 04' Pilot. But when my employer assigns me to an out-of-town project, my gas allowance allows me to use premium grade. This now gives me a chance to compare. When comparing both grades though under similar driving circumstances, I don't notice any difference with the way the Pilot runs, just the added 1 to 2 miles to a gallon of gasoline. :) |
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| PNW-Pilot |
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Originally posted by ctobio
Dude, you were laden with 3 people + their stuff, which is probably conservatively 800lbs, the a/c running on a VERY hot day, and traveling at 80mph, which is not an optimal speed for fuel efficiency. You got 18.5 mpg, consider me impressed you got THAT much.
If you drove by yourself with the a/c off at 65, your fuel economy would have been much higher. I'm not sure what you could have done to make your fuel economy worse, short of towing a boat too.
Not to mention that the trip from SoCal to Reno is very mountanious. I'm pretty impressed too, if you kept the 80MPH through the grapevine and the reno mountains. |
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| Aru4mie |
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Originally posted by sjlee
Not likely. The Pilot's engine is designed for 87 octane. Using anything higher is just wasted money. In fact, premium unleaded is about 10 cents higher a gallon than regular unleaded. That's about 5% higher. You'd better be getting at least 5% higher MPG to make it worthwhile.
Why not?
If I can get 2 more miles to a gallon with just paying 10 cents more.
On a tankful of gas, that just translates to $ 1.70.
(assume $3.00 cost of regular fuel and $3.10 for premium fuel, and 17 gallons to fill her up).
And if I my fuel consumption which is 18 mpg on the freeway now becomes 20 mpg, thats an added 34 miles to my traveling distance.
I think its worth using premium in this case.
However in my area, the price differential between regular 87 fuel and premium 91 fuel is at least 22 cents which doesn't add up to any cost benefit albeit the supposed increase in mileage. |
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| Poki |
Thanks for the comments on my gas mileage. I just thought that I would get at least 20 mpg. Yes, I did maintain that speed through the grapevine and mountains to Reno.
It was stinking HOT that day and I had my AC set to 60-70 degrees.
Maybe next time I'll slow it down and see what kind of mpg I can get. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by Aru4mie
Why not?
If I can get 2 more miles to a gallon with just paying 10 cents more.
On a tankful of gas, that just translates to $ 1.70.
(assume $3.00 cost of regular fuel and $3.10 for premium fuel, and 17 gallons to fill her up).
And if I my fuel consumption which is 18 mpg on the freeway now becomes 20 mpg, thats an added 34 miles to my traveling distance.
I think its worth using premium in this case.
However in my area, the price differential between regular 87 fuel and premium 91 fuel is at least 22 cents which doesn't add up to any cost benefit albeit the supposed increase in mileage.
Not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not with your "why not?", but your last statement pretty much says what I'm saying... unless your MPG increase is at least equal to the increase in price, it's not worth using premium. |
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| PNW-Pilot |
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Originally posted by Poki
Thanks for the comments on my gas mileage. I just thought that I would get at least 20 mpg. Yes, I did maintain that speed through the grapevine and mountains to Reno.
It was stinking HOT that day and I had my AC set to 60-70 degrees.
Maybe next time I'll slow it down and see what kind of mpg I can get.
I think that might have done it (ac and 80). While not the same vehicle the principle is the same. On our Sienna, it has a instant MPG guage, when going up hill the MPG drops like a rock, worse on the same hill the faster we go, mostly because it has to downshift to maintain speed. It's lower when the AC is on, so I suspect both had something to do with it.
It get's better overall with more milage after breakin. Ou r average went up over each fill up over hte 19K milages. Driving the same as before. The best trip milage was a freeway only 24.4MPG, with NO AC. We used the AC once for a trip and averaged 22.9.
Hot sucks, that heat wave down there is pretty bad. |
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| andyschneider |
Some experiences with 2 Pilots - 06 and 04
- Optimum speed for Pilot MPG is 60mph. At that speed average, our '04 would get 22-23 mpg regardless of weight and A/C usage. You start going 65-70 it drops a bit - down to 20-22. You get going over 75 and it drops below 20 quickly. The aerodynamics of a brick come to mind at that speed....
- Gas octane rating does nothing to MPG. In order to track this you need to run multiple tanks and track it accordingly. And try to go to the same pump at the same station to make sure it's shutting off in the same manner. The extra 1-2 mpg for a 91 octane could be due to different shut-off behavior of the pump, or different pressure settings at differing stations. Trying to map an MPG average from a single tank isn't scientific at all. And I've tried running 91 and 93 on occasion on our '04 and it makes no difference....
- Break-in patterns also have no MPG bearing. On our '04, we drove a 1500 mile round trip to Pennsylvania with only 300 miles on the clock. Definitely not something the book recommends. At 29k miles, it uses zero oil and gets 22 mpg consistently. On my '06, I did break-in by the book, and while it uses zero oil at the 7500 mile mark, the mpg is worse than the '04 even at the same number of miles.....
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| ClayDoh44 |
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Originally posted by Poki
I am very disappointed in my milage also. I just took a trip to Reno from SoCal. I averaged just 18.5 for the trip. Although, I must say it was HOT (100 to 113) and very HUMID. I probably averaged about 80 mph. I had 3 people in the car along with luggage, golf bags and other stuff. I had expected to get around 20 or so. I've got around 5,000 miles now. I hope it improves.
I got 18MPG when driving my '03 Pilot from Dallas to the mountains in North Carolina. We had five people in the car (2 adults 3 kids) with a week's worth of luggage for all, A/C on most of the time, and I consider myself an agressive driver. I often cruised at 85 MPH, even up and down the mountains.
In town I get 15.5, but again that's Dallas area driving with the A/C on. I wish it was better but it's better than the 12 MPG my '97 F-150 got! |
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| jrinjax |
I have read some technical literature [Bosch etc..] on loop tuned fuel injection.
The ECM on the new engines will continue the "tune" until the knock sensor picks up the 6.6khertz "ping" in a particular cylinder. When the ping happens, only the "pinging" cylinder is de "tuned" and then the loop continues sharpening the "tune" again. It is a "circular cycle".
With a higher octane fuel the ECM can sharpen the "tune" until either the engine pings or it runs to the end of the fuel "map".
When pulling a trailer, the manual recommends higher octane, so the ECM can keep a sharp "tune" under the increased load.
My Honda Turbo jet ski can run on 87 octane, but the boost and timing "ping-pull" limits the RPM by 300 RPM. By using 93 octane, the boost is max [12.8] and the timing and rpm are maxed.
There could be a Mileage improvement under high loads/speeds using higher octane, but might not justify the increased cost.
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by jrinjax
There could be a Mileage improvement under high loads/speeds using higher octane, but might not justify the increased cost.
JR
EXCEPT, that at higher speeds knock is NOT an issue.
It is at LOWER SPEEDS with higher loads and higher intake and head temperatures. (like when towing) |
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| jaycee |
| 2 weeks ago, I drove from NYC to Niagara falls (about 430 miles each way). Doing about 70 MPH, I got 21 MPG. My Pilot EXL NAV had 1200 miles when I started the trip. I am getting 13 MPG in city driving. I have 2200 miles on it now. |
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| Medic721 |
I live on Long Island (NYC Area) I generally have been getting 12-14 mpg alsmost all city.... last fill up i adjusted the tires to 38psi, i'll let you know how it goes.....
-MIke. |
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| andyschneider |
So I've posed on here before that my wife's 04 4WD with 29k miles gets consistently 20-22 mpg, and my '06 4WD with about 7500 miles has been getting high teens. Today, after a mixed tank of highway and around-town driving - I finally hit 20 mpg!!!
I can't remember when the wife's started getting into the 20's most of the time - maybe it was at the 10k mile mark. Guess mine is still breaking in!
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| Tcm 01 CL-S |
| We just got an 06 Pilot EX-L , just hit 500 miles today (its nice to see only 3 digits on the odometer) so we are still breaking her in. First tank with a combination of my driving and my parent's driving using a/c we got 17 mpg with a decent mix of highway (70 mph) and suburban driving. We were pretty disappointed. This week with only me driving I hit 22.6 mpg with mainly suburban and a few quick highway runs. I did this by coasting to red lights and trying to use 5 gear as much as possible in 45 +/- mph areas (wish it had tiptronic like my car), windows down instead of a/c and of course trying to say in eco mode as much as possible. Tire's psi was at 35 cold and using 87 octane gas. |
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| rocky |
Did 950 miles in my Pilt yesterday. First tank 22.8, second 19.9 third 24.2. Only reasons for the second tank, hotter, more hills and quicker than the first tank.
Interstate all the way. Love the 70mph limit in WV, NC, SC. Traffic in Charlotte NC worse than anything we saw in Nj or NY. Made it down in 15.75 hours average speed 66mph.
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| t2188na |
This is my first measurement for the vehicle I purchase a month ago. Now have 42,000 on it.
Unscientific Conditions
-Mostly city driving and a hurry to get to the golf course 45 min drive two round trips.
-95+ degree heat for a week - air on often.
-only person in the car lugging nothing more than a briefcase
The low fuel light just came on (drove about 14 miles with the light on) and I really packed 18.239 gallons in my 19.2 gallon tank. So my calc was
17.09 MPG.
This may sound crazy but we should standardize on an excel template that everyone can use. In that way we're talkin apples to apples. Sorry to insult anyones math skills.
***Note*** I bought my wifes CRV from a guy who is a bearing engineer (never heard of that before) and he said that Honda uses a product off the line called FX1. This is a mono molecular surface modifier that is supposed to reduce friction. He said that he adds a quart to his engine once a year. He also said it is used to reduce wear in jet engines and industrial machines and is used my the military. It looks like a quart of oil container on the front is says "The Engineer's Choice" and "First in low Friction". This stuff is hard core.
I don't have a source anymore. Let me know if anyone finds a source. THIS IS A CHALLENGE.
t2188na@yahoo.com
Of course Nobody is happy with gas mileage at the price of gas. Look up how much EXXON/MOBIL made in profit the last two quarter. I don't see an extra dividend check in my #*#(*(* mailbox.
NJA (Yes NEWBIE)
Yes I'm a Newbie, yup, yup, yup. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by t2188na
This may sound crazy but we should standardize on an excel template that everyone can use. In that way we're talkin apples to apples. Sorry to insult anyones math skills.
Of course Nobody is happy with gas mileage at the price of gas. Look up how much EXXON/MOBIL made in profit the last two quarter. I don't see an extra dividend check in my #*#(*(* mailbox.
Welcome!
Actually, if you look in this thread, you'll see a link to a website that'll track gas mileage for you. That way you can definitely compare apples to apples. Personally, I do have an Excel spreadsheet, which I track all my vehicles gas mileage on. It's actually not that difficult to calculate gas mileage if you reset your odometer when you fill-up the tank... just divide that by the number of gallons you pumped and that's it.
You know, I used to complain about oil refining companies like Exxon/Mobil making record profits (all of them are). But then I started to look at their financial statements. One of the main reasons that their profits are up is because global demand is up. Obviously if your sales are up, your profits will be higher as well. |
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| N_Jay |
Here is the problem with single tank MPGs.
Even a small over or under fill will throw off your measurements.
Lets say the car gets a absolutely steady 20 MPG.
This is why I consider anything less that measuring EVERY TANK, and TAKING A THREE TANK AVERAGE, not much better then a guess.
As for those who insist that after a few drives they have found some MPG improving formula (High Octane Gas, sme gas additive, etc.), I have teh same suspicion. |
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| Ytailhtr |
Just took my first looong drive in my 2004 Pilot with 68,000 miles on it....first tank was bucking a 25 mph headwind, 100º weather so the A/C was DEFINITELY ON.....drove on the interstate, cruise set on 76 mph......first tank was 20.2 mpg....not bad, I thought to myself.....since I usually get around 17 mpg around town, and I did have a hard head wind....then on the trip back, filled up and headed back, this time with a 10-15 mph tail wind...same highway, same 76 mph, same 100º weather....25.4 mpg....now "That's what I'm talkin' about!!!".....the next weekend I did a similar 700 mile round trip excursion....I got 21.4 driving down, and haven't filled up yet, will tonight, but suspect that I will get similar or just a tad more......this trip was not interstate so the speeds were 72 mph......overall, I was pleased.....
On a side note, I took a friend with me that had a GPS, handheld model....and with the 245R70 Michelin XLT M&S (hope that is right, pretty sure) that are a tad bit taller tire than the original tires, the speedometer was only .3-.4 mph slower than the GPS-noted speed....I thought that was EXCELLENT....which means the smaller factory tires would have you running several mph SLOWER than you are ACTUALLY going.....interesting and fun to play with the GPS.....does the factory navigational equipment tell you the speed you are going, if so, how much are the factory speedometers normally "off".....
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by Ytailhtr
On a side note, I took a friend with me that had a GPS, handheld model....and with the 245R70 Michelin XLT M&S (hope that is right, pretty sure) that are a tad bit taller tire than the original tires, the speedometer was only .3-.4 mph slower than the GPS-noted speed....I thought that was EXCELLENT....which means the smaller factory tires would have you running several mph SLOWER than you are ACTUALLY going.....interesting and fun to play with the GPS.....does the factory navigational equipment tell you the speed you are going, if so, how much are the factory speedometers normally "off".....
Thanks, Kelly
Factory speedometers are pretty inaccurate... and the amount off can vary from vehicle to vehicle.
The size difference between your tires and the stock size is pretty insignificant.
Using this website:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalcold.html
Your speedometer would be off about 1.9% (too slow). |
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| ecsw |
my average for the past 12,000 miles were around 14~16mpg except the best from the road trip of 5000 miles which gets 18mpg in average.
I just had 2nd oil change and changed my VTM-4 fluid and tire rotation. The past weekend's road trip to Portland, I got amazing 19.5mpg. :2:
omg, I couldn't believe my eye when I saw the 19.5mpg result on my Pilot which including 85~90mph drivering a lot of the time and revving on hwy over 4700rpm to pass other vehicles.
I am happy now. :) |
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| deaconblue |
| The problem with fuel mileage with SUVs on the highway is that they sit up so high. They're grabbing a lot of air. The Pilot is even worse because it is also a very wide vehicle. I expected similar mileage to a minivan, so I'm pretty dissapointed. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by deaconblue
The problem with fuel mileage with SUVs on the highway is that they sit up so high. They're grabbing a lot of air. The Pilot is even worse because it is also a very wide vehicle. I expected similar mileage to a minivan, so I'm pretty dissapointed.
Why would you expect that? Like you said, the Pilot is less aerodynamic than the Odyssey. In addition, even though the engines are the identical, they are tuned differently (max HP comes at a lower RPM on the Pilot). |
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| CMasten |
I get almost exactly the same mileage on my Ody as I do my Pilot.
If anything the Pilot gets better mileage on the open road than the Ody does. I have peaked out at 24 mpg on a road trip in the Pilot and only 23 tops in the Ody. Same load very similar conditions. I would think the shape and the much slimmer tires on the Ody would give it the advantage but doesnt seem so.
I have a bit of a softer foot than my wife does... so that in my case plays into a bigger factor than aerodynamics. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by CMasten
I get almost exactly the same mileage on my Ody as I do my Pilot.
If anything the Pilot gets better mileage on the open road than the Ody does. I have peaked out at 24 mpg on a road trip in the Pilot and only 23 tops in the Ody. Same load very similar conditions. I would think the shape and the much slimmer tires on the Ody would give it the advantage but doesnt seem so.
I have a bit of a softer foot than my wife does... so that in my case plays into a bigger factor than aerodynamics.
Even though the Odyssey has a more aerodynamic shape and narrower tires than the Pilot, it is actually heavier than the Pilot EX-L AWD.
Depending on the year and model of your Pilot and Odyssey, your MPG numbers wouldn't be that unbelieveable...
On 2006 models... I think the Pilot EX-L AWD is rated to get 17/22 MPG, while the Odyssey EX is rated at 18/25. With VCM, the Pilot (2WD) is rated to get 18/24 (very close to the Odyssey EX), with the Odyssey (EX-L and Touring) rated at 20/28 MPG. |
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| mmmmark |
First tank results in on my 06 EXL (2wd): 14.7 mpg about 60% city and 40% highway to and from work.
Hoping it will improve. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
First tank results in on my 06 EXL (2wd): 14.7 mpg about 60% city and 40% highway to and from work.
Hoping it will improve.
If this was the tankful that you got when you picked up your Pilot, then it will. Most times the dealer does not fill it up all the way right before you pick it up. I know my worst MPG on one tank was the first one.
Otherwise, you'll see it improve as the engine breaks in. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
First tank results in on my 06 EXL (2wd): 14.7 mpg about 60% city and 40% highway to and from work.
Hoping it will improve.
ALL one tank MPG measurements should be considered to be +/- 2MPG.
All MPG measurements where you have not personally fill the tank at both the start and end should be tossed out. |
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| mikeslc |
1st tank = 14.8mpg (about 40% highway)
2nd tank = 15.6mpg (about 50% highway)
3rd tank = 18.6mpg (about 70% highway)
Using 85 octane regular gas in Utah.
I'm waiting to see what I'll be getting with my 4th tank of gas.
This is on a 2006 EX-L 4wd with Nav. |
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| ecsw |
hahaha.... I waited for 12000 miles and finally start seeing the difference. :2:
N_Jay is right, it's very difficult to get accurate 1 tank MPG. |
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| t2188na |
Driving on vacation from Detroit to Cheboygan/Mackinaw City Area and back.
Drove 795 Miles this past week
Left August 5/06
Arrived Home August 11/06
Averaged 22.39099493
Driving home at 80-90 MPH today. Drove in high speed lane 95% of the time I-75 southbound. Led the pack. Got 21.54854864 today. Regular gas.
No A/C on. Didn't need it.
Pilot was loaded up with vacation stuff and two people.
I was happy with the power. When I needed it , it was there! People in Michigan drive very fast to and from cottage country.
Newbie, Newbie, Newbie.
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| jon4uu |
| Just got back from a 2900 mile trip from Southern California to Sturgis, South Dakota. I was towing a 400 lb. motorcycle trailer with 2 full size Harley Davidsons at 750 lbs. each. 2-200lbs adult passengers and about 250 lbs. of gear. I kept very accurate fuel records and averaged 20 mpg. I have a 06' 2wd EX with 5000 miles on it and drove approx. 70 to 80 mph. Pretty happy with the way it towed, no slowing down on the grades and plenty of power in reserve. |
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| 2006pilot |
| My Pilot has been giving me ~18.5 mpg but I don't drive like I used to yet. It is about 50/50 highway and city. |
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| fjwagner |
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Originally posted by t2188na
Of course Nobody is happy with gas mileage at the price of gas. Look up how much EXXON/MOBIL made in profit the last two quarter. I don't see an extra dividend check in my #*#(*(* mailbox.
NJA (Yes NEWBIE)
Yes I'm a Newbie, yup, yup, yup.
As is being discussed in another forum, you cant look at absolutes. The oil industry is huge, thus numbers are huge. Not only are profits up, but so are investments. The oil and gas industry is no better than average. Ratios are the key. yup yup yup. |
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| VENZ2006EXL |
| Looks like I am not the only one that is disappointed on the gas mileage. I just bought the 2006 Pilot (2WD EXL) 2 weeks ago and drove around town (both on highway/city). My avg was just 16.93 mpg combine. My driving speed was 40 mph on city and 65 mph on highway. This baby burns more gas than my 1999 Jaguar XJ8L (V8). |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by VENZ2006EXL
Looks like I am not the only one that is disappointed on the gas mileage. I just bought the 2006 Pilot (2WD EXL) 2 weeks ago and drove around town (both on highway/city). My avg was just 16.93 mpg combine. My driving speed was 40 mph on city and 65 mph on highway. This baby burns more gas than my 1999 Jaguar XJ8L (V8).
First, you are not broken in yet? Give it a few 1000 miles before trying to get a decent MPG.
Second, in 2 weeks how many full tanks have you gone through to get a decent measurement? (assume the first tank is way off unless you personally filler it up.
Third, Around town, (even with some highway) is much closer to City then to Highway type MPG.
Fourth, the Pilot has a good bit more size and probably a little weight on your Jag.
Fifth, round MPGs to full numbers unless you are really careful and use several consecutive tank measurements. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
First, you are not broken in yet? Give it a few 1000 miles before trying to get a decent MPG.
Second, in 2 weeks how many full tanks have you gone through to get a decent measurement? (assume the first tank is way off unless you personally filler it up.
Third, Around town, (even with some highway) is much closer to City then to Highway type MPG.
Fourth, the Pilot has a good bit more size and probably a little weight on your Jag.
Fifth, round MPGs to full numbers unless you are really careful and use several consecutive tank measurements.
Exactly... track your gas mileage over the next 2-3 months and let us know what you're getting. |
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| pilot747 |
My Pilot (2005 EX-L) has about 17K miles and everytime I fill up I calculate the PMG and I can say that my Pilot in average gives me about 20-21mpg in a 50/50 driving.
Definitely do better than 22mpg when cruise on highway. It hardly fell below 20mpg.
(No running Board, wind-deflector, windows always up) |
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| ClayDoh44 |
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Exactly... track your gas mileage over the next 2-3 months and let us know what you're getting.
I tracked it on www.dalllasgasprices.com over several months in 2005 and this is the result. I excluded a few fillups where it wasn't able to calculate due to me not filling up the tank previously.
MPG
15.12
18.10
14.79
14.63
14.32
14.34
14.44
15.75
15.53
14.41
16.47
12.46
14.91
14.33
15.59
15.57
13.48
14.52
14.67
16.86
17.38
14.31
14.97
17.33
18.40
16.03
14.09
18.34
14.81
15.72
15.44
16.00
13.56
15.93
16.49
14.10 |
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| poconopilot40 |
New 06 Pilot - 2800 miles
In-Town Mileage 15-17mpg regularly with Air on
First Highway Mileage at 60mph(100 miles): 21.6 mpg no Air conditioning on
Mileage is getting better each mile I drive it. I did change to synthetic oil recently. I'll keep you posted about mileage changes/etc. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by poconopilot40
New 06 Pilot - 2800 miles
In-Town Mileage 15-17mpg regularly with Air on
First Highway Mileage at 60mph(100 miles): 21.6 mpg no Air conditioning on
Mileage is getting better each mile I drive it. I did change to synthetic oil recently. I'll keep you posted about mileage changes/etc.
I would say that the increasing gas mileage is more due to the motor breaking in rather than because of the synthetic oil. |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
I would say that the increasing gas mileage is more due to the motor breaking in rather than because of the synthetic oil.
I second that. |
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| tgrimes |
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Originally posted by pilot747
My Pilot (2005 EX-L) has about 17K miles and everytime I fill up I calculate the PMG and I can say that my Pilot in average gives me about 20-21mpg in a 50/50 driving. Definitely do better than 22mpg when cruise on highway. It hardly fell below 20mpg. (No running Board, wind-deflector, windows always up)
Here are your stats:
MPG
Mean 15.37
Standard Error 0.23
Median 15.05
Standard Deviation 1.38
Sample Variance 1.92
Range 5.94
Minimum 12.46
Maximum 18.40
Confidence Level (95.0%) 0.47
COV 9.01%
Upper CI 15.83
Lower CI 14.90
I just bougt mine this weeken. Still on the original tank. I'll post my data in three months. |
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| Asfand |
Greetings All,
I have noticed that keeping the right tire pressure has a big effect on the milage. Also curising at 65-70 MPH range gives you the best milage. I am getting 21 MPG on Freeways and about 18 on surface all the time.
:) :) :) |
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| Wrazor |
| Most of my milage is city, rarely get over 40 MPH in daily commute to school. As you can see from chart I'm not putting on that many miles on the Pilot. But I'd sure like to see more than MPG of last two tanks...11.541 and 11.987. I suppose the increased MPG is due to engine break-in. |
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| fjwagner |
A few comments.
I see the local to be essentially the same with the one exception and that must have been a different route or conditions. A few tenths here and there is slight difference in fill, more or less stopping, etc. A high 11 is probably the same as a mid 12.
Your highway mpg is really good.
Three significant digits is probably overkill and I am an engineer saying that. I wouldnt use more than 1 significant digit to the right of the decimal since that is probably well within the realm of accuracy.
My local Houston is anywhere from 14-16, so you must really have lots of stop and go. But, I only get 20 to 21 on the hwy driving 75 or so.
My personal experience is that I have never really seen much difference between my first few thousand miles and where I am now at 25000. I am not convinced that break-in is that observable unless a very well controlled experiment with similar conditions. I think we all try to see what we want to believe.
Nice table and good for discussion. |
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| ClayDoh44 |
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Originally posted by Asfand
Greetings All,
I have noticed that keeping the right tire pressure has a big effect on the milage. Also curising at 65-70 MPH range gives you the best milage. I am getting 21 MPG on Freeways and about 18 on surface all the time.
:) :) :)
What do you run the pressure at?
I keep mine at 36 on all four. I will drop to 32 or so in the winter if there's ice, to get a better footprint. |
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| BigJimCalhoun |
Date Cost MPG
7/29/2006 $49.52
8/4/2006 $53.21 19.70
8/12/2006 $61.99 18.20
8/25/2006 $55.68 18.54
9/2/2006 $50.96 20.21 |
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| Pilot21 |
Recently I had long road trip about 3000 miles,
and according to to my PDA's fuel log, average was 23 mpg.
highway speed was 75 ~ 80 mph in average I think,
some of local highway was very hilly.
my total mileage is now around 6500 miles, and the first 3500 miles were mostly city drive, and it's average was 17 mpg, if my pda is correct. |
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| LarsCA |
| I drive like a grandpa and mostly highway at 75 mph. I NEVER get more than 17.5 MPG. City driving puts me at 14-15 MPG. I have an 05 Pilot and I'm not too impressed with its lack of milage. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by LarsCA
I drive like a grandpa and mostly highway at 75 mph. I NEVER get more than 17.5 MPG. City driving puts me at 14-15 MPG. I have an 05 Pilot and I'm not too impressed with its lack of milage.
I'm not sure what to make of it when people say that they "drive like a grandpa/grandma". Does that mean that they drive like they are oblivious to the rest of the vehicles on the road... switching lanes whenever they feel like it? Or does it mean that they drive so slow a bicycle could pass them? By the way, I don't know too many "grandpas" who drive 75 mph on the highway.
In any case, driving slowly does not necessarily mean that you are going to get optimal gas mileage. They key is gradual acceleration/deceleration. Light turns green... ease on the gas... you don't have to be the first one off the line. Light turns red... ease off the gas... don't brake at the last minute.
In addition, tire pressure also plays an important role in gas mileage. Make sure that your tires are inflated to at least 32 psi. Some on this site (including myself) even go as far as inflating to 36 psi.
On the highway, optimal speed for gas mileage is more like 65 mph. |
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| N_Jay |
| While it is inarguable that gradual deceleration and minimal use of the brakes is valuable for saving as, there is considerable debate on whether slow or brisk acceleration is best. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by sjlee
I'm not sure what to make of it when people say that they "drive like a grandpa/grandma". Does that mean that they drive like they are oblivious to the rest of the vehicles on the road... switching lanes whenever they feel like it? Or does it mean that they drive so slow a bicycle could pass them? By the way, I don't know too many "grandpas" who drive 75 mph on the highway.
In any case, driving slowly does not necessarily mean that you are going to get optimal gas mileage. They key is gradual acceleration/deceleration. Light turns green... ease on the gas... you don't have to be the first one off the line. Light turns red... ease off the gas... don't brake at the last minute.
In addition, tire pressure also plays an important role in gas mileage. Make sure that your tires are inflated to at least 32 psi. Some on this site (including myself) even go as far as inflating to 36 psi.
On the highway, optimal speed for gas mileage is more like 65 mph.
I take it to mean they drive just like my grandmother did - staring at the roof with terminator sunglasses on leaving a trail of vehicles that have smashed into other things to avoid her....:D. Terrain has a huge effect on Pilot (and MDX) mpg also. If you drive in a hilly area (even mildly hilly) the mpg plummets drastically. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
While it is inarguable that gradual deceleration and minimal use of the brakes is valuable for saving as, there is considerable debate on whether slow or brisk acceleration is best.
Good point... there's an ideal place somewhere between "slow" (i.e. 0-60 mph in minutes, not seconds) and "fast" (i.e. flooring it). |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
Good point... there's an ideal place somewhere between "slow" (i.e. 0-60 mph in minutes, not seconds) and "fast" (i.e. flooring it).
Basically you want to get as close to wide open throttle without telling the transmission to downshift or hold the gears too long. |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
Good point... there's an ideal place somewhere between "slow" (i.e. 0-60 mph in minutes, not seconds) and "fast" (i.e. flooring it).
I think you're right. On my Passat which has a mpg readout, I've done some highly unscientific tests that shows, if you accelerate TOO slowly, it appears to actually consume relatively more gas. |
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| LarsCA |
Driving like a grandpa means accelerating at a "normal" pace. Here in SoCal that means I end up with cars right on my back bumper because they think I'm not accelerating fast enough.
I've tried 36 and 32 psi tire pressure and there's no difference at all.
Trust me, I've tried driving as if I had an egg underneath my right foot, and I've tried driving like I'm in a race. No matter what I do I can't get over 18- MPG. With all other cars I have owned or driven, I end up close to the EPA high estimate (if EPA is 24-30, I'm at 28 - if it's 20-26 I'm at 25). This is the only vehicle I have ever owned or driven where I end up close to or below the EPA. The Honda technician checked the engine and didn't find anything out of the ordinary, so I believe I'm just SOL. Considering how much I drive per month, and the price of gas, I figure I'm "losing" about $20/month in additional gas payments. I can live with that until it's time for a new car again (but then I'm buying a Volvo - don't even bother telling me about reliability issues with them, I've made up my mind:D ) |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by LarsCA
Driving like a grandpa means accelerating at a "normal" pace. Here in SoCal that means I end up with cars right on my back bumper because they think I'm not accelerating fast enough.
I've tried 36 and 32 psi tire pressure and there's no difference at all.
Trust me, I've tried driving as if I had an egg underneath my right foot, and I've tried driving like I'm in a race. No matter what I do I can't get over 18- MPG. With all other cars I have owned or driven, I end up close to the EPA high estimate (if EPA is 24-30, I'm at 28 - if it's 20-26 I'm at 25). This is the only vehicle I have ever owned or driven where I end up close to or below the EPA. The Honda technician checked the engine and didn't find anything out of the ordinary, so I believe I'm just SOL. Considering how much I drive per month, and the price of gas, I figure I'm "losing" about $20/month in additional gas payments. I can live with that until it's time for a new car again (but then I'm buying a Volvo - don't even bother telling me about reliability issues with them, I've made up my mind:D )
The only other thing I can think of is the gas formulation. I believe in CA due to pollution restrictions, they have "cleaner" gas which tends to get you lower gas mileage.
Any other Pilot owners out there in SoCA getting similar gas mileage as LarsCA?
BTW - I also have a 2005 Pilot, and we're seeing gas mileage right in the EPA range... about 18-19 MPG with mixed driving. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
I think you're right. On my Passat which has a mpg readout, I've done some highly unscientific tests that shows, if you accelerate TOO slowly, it appears to actually consume relatively more gas.
and if you accelerate more quickly, you then accelerate for less time.
So unless you calculate like Mr. Data, its not worth trying to figure out by watching the MPG reading. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Basically you want to get as close to wide open throttle without telling the transmission to downshift or hold the gears too long.
It seems a bit more specific than that... I remember reading an article that stated this only works for lower RPMs (i.e. under 3000). That's a bit tricky with an AT.
Also, does this apply to EFI engines? Seems some articles indicate it is useful for carburated engines... but no reference to EFI. |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
and if you accelerate more quickly, you then accelerate for less time.
So unless you calculate like Mr. Data, its not worth trying to figure out by watching the MPG reading.
Well, it does momentary mileage and also long-term. The long term mileage is simply a compilation of the short term momentary readings.
You can also reset the daily 'trip' mileage and do the same stretch with different driving styles. Suffice it to say, with some trial and error you can definitely see tangible, objective mileage differences. |
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| mattchalmers |
I find that accelerating in a more reasonable fashion may only help the mpg a little, but helps the insurance a lot! :-)
We have only filled up 3 times and all three we around 17.5 in mixed driving. |
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| mmmmark |
I've had only 3 tanks. The first was 14.6, second was 16.6 (both primarily in town). Third tank which was primarily highway was 22.3.
Still too early to make any wild assumptions.
Oh, BTW, I have 2wd. |
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| ClayDoh44 |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
I'm not sure what to make of it when people say that they "drive like a grandpa/grandma". Does that mean that they drive like they are oblivious to the rest of the vehicles on the road... switching lanes whenever they feel like it? Or does it mean that they drive so slow a bicycle could pass them? By the way, I don't know too many "grandpas" who drive 75 mph on the highway.
I was made a grandpa a few weeks ago, and at 47 years young, I'll challenge any of you young whipper-snappers to an (off) road race, Pilot against Pilot! :)
No really, I'm just your average Joe who feels that they drive better than most people (75% of all drivers do). I consider myself an aggressive but careful driver, I never inconvenience other drivers (intentionally) and stay at the head of the pack. My "pass rate", which I define as the number of cars I pass vs. those who pass me on any given trip, is always a positive number.
So there, put me in the "new" class of granny drivers. (grin) |
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| Hpilot06 |
Hello all!
Found this forum looking for info on fuel economy on my new Pilot.
V6 LX purchased 7/29 of this year with 10 miles. So far my fuel ecomomy is right were everyone else is at. I'm a bit anal but here is my spread sheet. Hope it copies ok.
70% of the miles are highway driven between 70 and 80 mph.
The other 30% of the miles are city driving split between Hammond, IN and Plainfield, IL.
File can be opened with Excel |
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| whizmo |
quote:
Originally posted by Hpilot06
Hello all!
Found this forum looking for info on fuel economy on my new Pilot.
V6 LX purchased 7/29 of this year with 10 miles. So far my fuel ecomomy is right were everyone else is at. I'm a bit anal but here is my spread sheet. Hope it copies ok.
70% of the miles are highway driven between 70 and 80 mph.
The other 30% of the miles are city driving split between Hammond, IN and Plainfield, IL.
File can be opened with Excel
Thanks, but most of us really don't want to download a spreasheet file from a stranger and fire up Excel just do generally know what mileage you're getting. Too much information, too much trouble and risk.
- Mark |
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| Hpilot06 |
quote:
Originally posted by whizmo
Thanks, but most of us really don't want to download a spreasheet file from a stranger and fire up Excel just do generally know what mileage you're getting. Too much information, too much trouble and risk.
- Mark
Looks like 7 peole have, so speak for yourself.
Trouble, risk... understood. Roll th edice if you like. The info is there and so is a spread sheet.
With that kind of attitude I think this may be my last post here. |
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| rocky |
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Originally posted by Hpilot06
Looks like 7 peole have, so speak for yourself.
Trouble, risk... understood. Roll th edice if you like. The info is there and so is a spread sheet.
With that kind of attitude I think this may be my last post here.
If that is your attitude after 2 posts to your credit, please go elsewhere.
We try to be collegial, cordial and helpful. The problem with Excell/word etc is that they are capable conduits of viruses trojan horses etc. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
If that is your attitude after 2 posts to your credit, please go elsewhere.
We try to be collegial, cordial and helpful. The problem with Excell/word etc is that they are capable conduits of viruses trojan horses etc.
:werd: Exactly. |
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| Hpilot06 |
delete me from this forum.
I understand how it is here. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Hpilot06
delete me from this forum.
I understand how it is here.
As one of the local TV political talking heads here says, "Buh-Bye!":p
And I never even had the chance to use my fav smiley. :o |
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| ctobio |
quote:
Originally posted by Hpilot06
delete me from this forum.
I understand how it is here.
Ok, you've been deleted. :D |
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| cwa107 |
quote:
Originally posted by Hpilot06
delete me from this forum.
I understand how it is here.
The sad thing is that you really don't. I've particpated in a number of forums and this is probably the friendliest group I've been privileged to call myself a part of. I really don't see cause for offense here. |
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| 2006pilot |
Back to the original subject here...
I was getting about 18 mpg while I drove like a grandma during the breakin period (gradual accel and no hard brake, etc.). Now that the breakin is over and I am driving a little bit more like myself, drum roll here... I am only getting around 16 mpg. I guess I will have to go back being a grandma... |
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| Aru4mie |
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Originally posted by 2006pilot
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