| jctatman |
| Thought this might help some of you with that seat noise. |
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| jctatman |
| I can't get the image to show up..... I'll keep trying! |
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| vegasdude |
| Darn it I am on the Vin# range again......oh well c'est la vie! |
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| SoapPlant |
Got off the hook on the Pilot, but looks like the Accord is affected. Been noticings a slight shift or pop in the driver's seat sometimes when going around corners.
So I'm not crazy afterall! |
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| whitepilot |
and once again I am NOT in the vin range, but am definatly experiencing this issue.....
water pump
strut
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| jctatman |
So sorry to hear that!
We have been lucky so far, we missed the water pump one on both Hondas. We did have that nasty noise from the strut weld, but he took care of that. Our biggest complaint has been the tires. Our first road trip we ended up with a flat & when we researched getting a new tire to match the rest discovered the low numbers in those GoodYears. So we replaced all 4. It changed the ride big time! When he did the weld thing, he found the aliignment was way in. That also helped the ride improve. It's funny how things feel normal until you make a change then it feels better!
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| jctatman |
With the seats, you can probably still get them fixed. After all it's still new enough! I don't remember seeing a list about the struts, we just took it in & had it taken care of. The vans had the same weld do the same thing. (price we pay for not owning ones built in Japan) I was thrilled to not need the water pump done, that means it wasn't built during the faulty part era & we shouldn't have the problem. In therory anyway!
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| jctatman |
"So I'm not crazy afterall!"
:rolleyes:
Well, maybe not about the noises........ |
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| MG Pilot |
| How does alignment affect the ride of a vehicle??? |
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| jctatman |
The tow was so far in that it was feeling like it was dragging the tires sideways! When we took our foot off the gas, it slowed down a lot faster than most cars. But it wasn't until having the alignment redone that we really noticed. It was about an inch tow'd in on each side! Now it feels good. It slows at a normal pace.
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| N_Jay |
An inch??
That would have killed the tires in no time.
Maybe it was an inch after they did the weld fix, but I doubt before. |
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| jctatman |
We did already have tire wear! I pointed it out on our pre-trip inspection. Mr JC did the weld fix & alignment the same day. We were actually happy to find a cause & not have one of those mystery problems! It's just hard to explain the difference now. When letting up on the gas was slower than we thought it should be, we blamed the weight of the Pilot vs. the Accord.... Now it's just plain normal! He's the primary driver of the Pilot & for about a week after the weld fix & alignment he had to tell me daily how happy he is with it now! The daily "I love my Pilot" was more specific. We have past 3000 miles & are VERY happy with it!
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| seadog |
| Whats this weld fix? Yesterday when returning our new Pilot to the Dealer for paint issues I also asked the SM about the delayed coasting when foot is removed from gas pedal. Although only have 100 miles on it (basically from the dealer to home and this return trip) it was really a "different" feel. To me, upon removing my foot from the gas pedal there was a delay in the anticipated "coasting" and then a noticable (but slight) braking action of short duration and then it felt as if it was coasting but with more drag than any vehicle I've ever driven - and thats a lot of them (showing my age). Anyway, the SM told me he knew what I was talking about and it was caused by this new transmissions "fuzzy logic" system and that the mild braking action that I described was actually the transmission downshifting from 5th to 4th gear. Sounded logical to me but after reading the post about the misalignment and the fact that it still does not feel as thought it has that "free-wheel" coast sensation I plan to have the alignment checked pronto before get any abnormal wear pattern set into the new set of tires. |
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| jctatman |
seadog
The weld fix is for a "popping" sound coming from the front suspension. It was on the Oddessys also.
The decel problem I had sounded much like yours. When having the popping fixed it was realigned (standard proceedure) I discovered the "tow" was off by a total of one inch. Since then drag is gone & it just plain feels better!
I replaced the tires just because I didn't like the OEM Honda chose. These feel better to me... more meat, less sway. |
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| MizzouHavasu |
| Can someone post a printable PDF version of the Seat TSB or give a link to a webstite.......Please. Thank you. |
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| jctatman |
I could try emailing you a GIF version
MrsJC |
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| seadog |
| Dealer reluctantly checked only the toe portion of alignment today on all four wheels - checked out ok. SM said he drives a pilot and his also feels like has a slight decel drag. So, guess will have to learn to live with it. |
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| jctatman |
seadog,
Sorry to hear that! Since it fixed our's, I was hoping it would be a fix for others.
Did you already have the weld done?
MizzouHavasu,
Did you find a printable version of the seat bulletin? |
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| PILOTinginCO |
What is this popping noise that is coming from the front suspension and the weld to fix it.
Reason I ask is, the other morning I was making a u-turn (left) and it sounded like something popped or snapped on the right front suspension.
I didn't feel anything in the steering wheel and my PILOT isn't driving or handling any different.
Anyone have an answer? |
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| jctatman |
PILOTinginCO
On ours it made a clicking/popping sound when turning into driveways. It's not loud. It's more of a sound than a feel.
Mrs. JC |
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| jctatman |
PILOTinginCO
On ours it made a clicking/popping sound when turning into driveways. It's not loud. It's more of a sound than a feel.
Mrs. JC
"This is the same noise that the Odyssey has had and it is cause by a spot weld on the underside of the strut tower. It protrudes sightly so that the top of the strut does not sit flush. The fix is to remove the strut grind the weld flush, coat it with touch up paint, then reinstall the strut. I would have thought that Honda would have taken care of this on the Pilot because it has been on the Odyssey for a couple of years now." |
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| mtroisi |
| Has anyone had this problem satisfactorily fixed by a Honda dealer? I just removed the plastic cover from the side of my Pilot's driver seat. It appears that the cause of sideways play in the seat is the bracket that moves the rear of the seat up and down. I noticed that if the seat is in its highest vertical position, there is no side to side movement; however, once the seat is lowered, the bracket's connections to the motor and seat become too loose, and there is considerable unwanted horizontal movement in the seat (and an accompanying annoying clicking sound). I plan to call my dealer on Monday, but I am concerned that the service bulletin relating to this problem recommends shims as the solution. I am not an engineer, but the prescribed solution seems unlikely to work. By the way, I am well out of the VIN range. Please let me know your thoughts on this. |
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| MG Pilot |
| I am now starting to get this. Has anyone else had this and gotten it fixed yet??? |
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| whitepilot |
| The seat shift MG? if so, hen yes Ive had it fixed never to return again (so far). |
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| mtroisi |
MG,
When I first brought this problem to my dealer's attention, the dealer ordered the shims that were specified in the TSB. Unfortunately, after the dealer received the shims and looked at the car again, the service technician decided that the problem could not be rectified by installing the shims. In the technician's opinion, there was no problem. In fact, the service advisor I dealt with seemed unable to notice the play in the seat, and that was with me in the passenger seat while he was driving. Trust me, the seat moved during his test drive.
Unwilling to live with the annoyance of a loose driver's seat, I called the service manager, who has proved to be very helpful. He finally recreated the problem on the Pilot he drives daily. Since he realized (as I did when the problem first materialized on my car) that the shims would not solve the problem, he attempted to recreate the problem under controlled conditions with a new seat assembly in his service department. He succeeded. When he called me last week, he told me that Honda is aware of the problem and is working on a solution. When the problem is finally resolved, I will let you know.
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| MG Pilot |
Mike,
Really??? That is interesting. Why would the shims not solve the problem???
The shifting is really noticable when you take sharp turns and u-turns. Otherwise, you don't really notice it. Same with you??? |
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| whitepilot |
I think there are 2 shifs being discussed here mg's (and mine) side to side (shim fixable) and Mtroisi's front to back shift (shim no-fix)
this clarify things?
The side to side shift is definatly shim fixable, had it done months ago with no relapse. |
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| mtroisi |
MG,
I believe the shims are designed to reduce excess space in the seat base linkange. When I looked at the linkage on my Pilot, there did not appear to be anything wrong with the connection between the seat base linkage and the track. There is, however, a loose connection netween the seat and the seat base linkage. As I mentioned in my first post about this issue, the L-shaped bracket that raises and lowers the rear of the seat likely is the source of the problem. Also, keep in mind that I am not within the VIN range that is listed on the TSB. If you are within the VIN, the shims might work; but your problem sounds identical to mine: It only arises duing sharp turns.
Please keep me apprised what happens. I would be interested to know if the shims rectify you problem.
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| mtroisi |
Whitepilot is probably right: There might be two separate and distinct problems; but the symptoms of both sound quite similar. My seat does move from side to side, not fore and aft. I know that a regional service manager from Honda was present at my dealership on the day the service department decided that the shims would not work. I must say that I was quite surprised that the dealership did not even try to use the shims to remedy the defect.
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| MDXlite |
I, too, have the front-to back looseness problem with the seat bottom. Had it at a second dealer today as the first one was of no help. We compared mine to others on the lot and we all agreed mine was a little looser than new ones.
This dealer is confirming with Honda if they can replace seat sub-assembly. They are worried that Honda may not think there is enough difference between mine and a new one and not reimburse them for the work. I will be meeting with them and the District Manager to make it happen.
For kicks and grins, they put the shims in even though I wasn't in the VIN range and wasn't having the side play issue. It actually did help a little.
The noteworthy thing is, depending on your seat position, you will feel different amounts of play.
With the seat all the way back there is no play at all.
With the seat bottom in the mid position, flat or tilted down it does have more play. Very annoying.
Let you know what they say. |
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| TheWorm |
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Originally posted by mtroisi
Whitepilot is probably right: There might be two separate and distinct problems.
I think that's right.
Side-to-side can be fixed in most cases w/the shim TSB.
Fore-and-aft requires new seat rails - or at least has on a number of X's. |
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