| BigJimCalhoun |
The dealer had an open house last night where they take all new car buyers and separate by vehicle and have a mechanic jack it up and explain where the tires are, muffler is, etc.
In the shop I saw about 20 valvoline 30 gallon oil drums - spreadout by service bay, but no Honda ones. Methinks that even they do not use Honda Oil.
Anyway, I found that, and the unsold 2006 Pilot (leaking oil from the front diff) interesting. |
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| humanoid |
| I think $tealers use whatever they can get their grubby little hands on. |
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| nolan65 |
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Originally posted by BigJimCalhoun
In the shop I saw about 20 valvoline 30 gallon oil drums - spreadout by service bay, but no Honda ones. Methinks that even they do not use Honda Oil.
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Honda does not make oil. Many believe "Honda Branded" oil to be Exxon/Mobil. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by humanoid
I think $tealers use whatever they can get their grubby little hands on.
I agree. The local Acura dealership uses Castrol Syntec. |
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| wp3gi |
| Valvoline here in Puerto Rico. |
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| mmmmark |
Hopefully Honda is smarter than our local VW dealer. My Passat is supposed to take either 0w40 or 5w40 or supposedly warranty is void.
What does the local dealer use? Well, 10w30 Castrol, thankyouverymuch.
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
Hopefully Honda is smarter than our local VW dealer. My Passat is supposed to take either 0w40 or 5w40 or supposedly warranty is void.
What does the local dealer use? Well, 10w30 Castrol, thankyouverymuch.
Nimrods:3:
Did you ever bring that to their attention? What was their response? |
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| CMasten |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
Hopefully Honda is smarter than our local VW dealer. My Passat is supposed to take either 0w40 or 5w40 or supposedly warranty is void.
What does the local dealer use? Well, 10w30 Castrol, thankyouverymuch.
Nimrods:3:
I just noticed this.... Right on! I could not agree more...
"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers - and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerce - and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution - and it vas not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831 |
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| mmmmark |
| Thanks. Most people never notice, but it means something to those who share those ideals.:) |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
Did you ever bring that to their attention? What was their response?
They cite a portion in the owner's manual that says something like other oils are ok to use, but then it goes on to say "ONLY when topping off or when not available."
VW is different than any other brand in that very little is top-down directives on how to do their business. Everything flows from the bottom up, so you hope to God you have a good dealer. They are like a loose collection of independent dealers that each do their own thing. This inconsistency is hurting their national image and they are reportedly trying to provide more controls and standards for their dealers. |
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| Guiltyr1 |
| Anybody using synthetic? If so, are you changing every 5K? |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by Guiltyr1
Anybody using synthetic? If so, are you changing every 5K?
Mobil still recommends following the manufacturer's maintenance schedule for Mobil 1...
"This is a limited warranty covering the Mobil 1 motor lubricant you purchased. ExxonMobil warrants its lubricants to be free from defects and will replace any Mobil lubricant that is defective. For all vehicles follow the recommended oil change interval in your owner's manual. ExxonMobil warrants that the Mobil 1 lubricant you purchased will protect your vehicle’s critical engine parts from oil related failure. If not, provided the engine was serviceable at the time the oil was installed, Exxon Mobil will have your vehicle repaired and replace the oil at no cost to you."
For Mobil 1 Extended Performance, their warranty is a little different. They still recommend following the manufacturer's maintenance schedule, but only until the vehicle warranty runs out. At that point, they will warranty it for 15k mile oil changes or 1 year, whichever comes first.
"This is a limited warranty covering the Mobil 1 Extended Performance lubricant you purchased. ExxonMobil warrants its lubricants to be free from defects and will replace any Mobil lubricant that is defective. For vehicles covered by a warranty, follow the vehicle's oil life sensor or the oil change interval recommended in your owner's manual. Follow your owner's manual if the vehicle is operated in any of the following severe services: racing or commercial applications including taxis, limousines, etc.; frequent towing or hauling; extremely dusty or dirty conditions; or under excessive idling conditions. If your vehicle has exceeded the duration of the manufacturer’s warranty, ExxonMobil warrants that the Mobil 1 Extended Performance lubricant you purchased will protect your vehicle’s critical engine parts from oil related failure for 15,000 miles or 1 year, which ever comes first. If not, provided the engine was serviceable at the time the oil was installed, Exxon Mobil will have your vehicle repaired and replace the oil at no cost to you." |
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| hondacuraworld |
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Originally posted by nolan65
Honda does not make oil. Many believe "Honda Branded" oil to be Exxon/Mobil.
That's exactly what it is. We have Honda/Mobil dino oil in our tanks here, although we used Pennzoil for years. |
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| ctobio |
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Originally posted by Guiltyr1
Anybody using synthetic? If so, are you changing every 5K?
For the '06, I would follow the maintenance minder, dino or synthetic. The first oil change on mine was 6100 miles, but this is quite variable based on operating conditions. |
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| Mystique |
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Originally posted by hondacuraworld
If anyone wants to read my soliloquy on synthetic oils, have a look ;)
http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31320
After reading the thread, I feel like switching back to dino oil.:)
Do you think switching back to dino oil will do more harm than good at this point?
I've been using Mobil 1 5w-20 synthetic oil eversince my Pilot's first recommended oil change. Changing it every 5k miles. I've got 25k on my odometer now.
Thanks... |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by Mystique
After reading the thread, I feel like switching back to dino oil.:)
Do you think switching back to dino oil will do more harm than good at this point?
I've been using Mobil 1 5w-20 synthetic oil eversince my Pilot's first recommended oil change. Changing it every 5k miles. I've got 25k on my odometer now.
Thanks...
I don't think it will do any harm to switch back to conventional oil. |
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| andyschneider |
I use a synthetic blend in all of my Hondas (and have in other cars as well). Since I use a 4K mile change interval, using synthetic is overkill, but for the times I have the real cold winter startup or the 100+ degree heatsink situation, I want just a tad more oomph to the oil. For the extra buck a quart for the synthetic blend, it gives me (probably false) peace of mind. :D I switch between Castrol/Valvoline for my synthetic blend, depending on what I can find at 5W20. Walmart has one or the other typically, around $3 a quart.....
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| helpless |
quote:
Originally posted by Mystique
After reading the thread, I feel like switching back to dino oil.:)
Do you think switching back to dino oil will do more harm than good at this point?
I've been using Mobil 1 5w-20 synthetic oil eversince my Pilot's first recommended oil change. Changing it every 5k miles. I've got 25k on my odometer now.
Thanks...
Switched back to conventional oil.
My Pilot still runs the same.
I'm glad I did! :) |
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| doberwiler |
Folks,
I am a new Honda Pilot owner, but an experienced mechanic with cars, tractors, and especially motorcycles.
I mean no disrespect to hondacuraworld, but he is very wrong in his bias against synthetics.
If you want to wrench your own vehicles, save some money, and be good to the environment, synthetics are a GREAT choice.
The 3000 mil oil change was a scam brought to us by Jiffy Lube. While most “dealers” and “oil change” places now encourage the 3K interval, most maintenance schedules in real cars were at 7500 miles over 10 years ago. Trust me – engines and oils have gotten better since then!!!
With Synthetic Oil's (Mobile 1, AMS Oil, others), you can easily do 25K between changes. Some cars and now being shipped with synthetics and specify longer intervals.
I use synthetics in my motorcycles with great results and use 3 times the recommended change intervals. You can also buy filters that last as long as the oil to make everything simpler.
The Pilot is my wife's car, so she is going to do the schedule with Honda with whatever oil they specify (too busy to change it myself).
HOWEVER: If you change the oil yourself, and care about the environment – you should USE synthetic oil / filters and widen your change intervals considerably.
There is tons of good research online.
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| Rapid Rob |
If synthetics last so long, why does my '01 ZX-9 shift easier after I just change my oil? I'm going between 4k. to 5k. on the oil.
This isn't a "trick" question. I just think that with all the research & facts about synthetics, my oil shouldn't be that noticeable between changes. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
Folks,
You can also buy filters that last as long as the oil to make everything simpler.
Name 'em |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Name 'em
The normal filter is already good enough for 15,000 miles acording to Honda. |
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| nolan65 |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
Folks,
I
With Synthetic Oil's (Mobile 1, AMS Oil, others), you can easily do 25K between changes. Some cars and now being shipped with synthetics and specify longer intervals.
Doberwiler
I dont believe any OEM would say a 25k oci is good!! Based on what? I would say if you have sent in oil samples and the lab says the oil still looks good then go ahead. But NEVER without data to back you up. And, there is not a oil filter made that I would come close to running 25k!! |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
Folks,
I am a new Honda Pilot owner, but an experienced mechanic with cars, tractors, and especially motorcycles.
I mean no disrespect to hondacuraworld, but he is very wrong in his bias against synthetics.
If you want to wrench your own vehicles, save some money, and be good to the environment, synthetics are a GREAT choice.
The 3000 mil oil change was a scam brought to us by Jiffy Lube. While most “dealers” and “oil change” places now encourage the 3K interval, most maintenance schedules in real cars were at 7500 miles over 10 years ago. Trust me – engines and oils have gotten better since then!!!
With Synthetic Oil's (Mobile 1, AMS Oil, others), you can easily do 25K between changes. Some cars and now being shipped with synthetics and specify longer intervals.
I use synthetics in my motorcycles with great results and use 3 times the recommended change intervals. You can also buy filters that last as long as the oil to make everything simpler.
The Pilot is my wife's car, so she is going to do the schedule with Honda with whatever oil they specify (too busy to change it myself).
HOWEVER: If you change the oil yourself, and care about the environment – you should USE synthetic oil / filters and widen your change intervals considerably.
There is tons of good research online.
Doberwiler
Yes, but there is also a ton of crap online.
Unless you are stressing you engine, or plan to keep the car a VERY long time, there is no practical benefit to running synthetic. |
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| doberwiler |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Name 'em
AMS Oil makes long life filters that will last as long as the synthetic's recommended change interval. I am not sure of they make one for the Pilot, but they do for my motorcycle and most cars and trucks. |
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| humanoid |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
AMS Oil makes long life filters that will last as long as the synthetic's recommended change interval. I am not sure of they make one for the Pilot, but they do for my motorcycle and most cars and trucks.
Amsoil does make one, it's the EaO13 or the SDF13, using the EaO13 right now actually.
Bowrrowed from the Amsoil site:
AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters
Made with premium-grade full synthetic media. Ea Oil Filters feature advanced full synthetic nanofiber technology, making them the highest efficiency filters that are available for the auto/light truck market. AMSOIL EaO Filters are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil in gasoline and diesel vehicles in normal service, 15,000 miles in severe service. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
If you want to wrench your own vehicles, save some money, and be good to the environment, synthetics are a GREAT choice.
Save some money? That's not necessarily true. I purchase my conventional oils by the case when it is on sale. I think the last time I bought oil, it was about 59 cent/qt. Synthetics are about 10 times more expensive.
I do 7500 mi OCIs. That means that just to break even, I would need to change my oil every 75,000 miles with synthetic. Even if I paid $1/qt for conventional oil, I'd still need to do 30-35k OCIs with synthetic to break even.
Good to the environment? Did you really mean, "lessen our dependency on foreign oil"? Because, synthetic oils pollute the environment as much as conventional oil if not disposed of properly. In addition, the chemicals used in making synthetic oils pollute the environment as much as petroleum. |
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| sjlee |
It's nice to claim that synthetics are good for 25k OCIs, but what about warranties if something goes wrong?
Mobil recommends following the manufacturer's maintenance schedule while the car is under warranty. After that point, they only warranty to 15k miles or 1 year.
AMSOIL claims their oils are good for 35k or 1 year (whichever comes first), however, reading their warranty info doesn't really seem to indicate what they will cover.
Unless you put alot of miles on in a year, you're likely not going to come close to 25k miles. In addition, it seems that even oil filters aren't warrantied to last beyond 1 year.
Like N_Jay said, unless you're putting alot of stress on your engine (racing conditions), you don't need to use synthetic. |
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| jay |
| We're also still waiting for anyone, absolutely anyone, to report any oil-related engine failures, when maintained according to the manufacturer's recommendation, synthetic or not. |
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| hondacuraworld |
quote:
Originally posted by doberwiler
Folks,
I am a new Honda Pilot owner, but an experienced mechanic with cars, tractors, and especially motorcycles.
I mean no disrespect to hondacuraworld, but he is very wrong in his bias against synthetics.
No disrespect taken. Motorcycles and tractors are far different animals than Honda vehicle engines because they see different usages and extremes. I've worked on and own both as well. And I still stand by my convictions even in those circumstances. |
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| 5Gs |
quote:
Originally posted by hondacuraworld
No disrespect taken. Motorcycles and tractors are far different animals than Honda vehicle engines because they see different usages and extremes. I've worked on and own both as well. And I still stand by my convictions even in those circumstances.
you are such a bull$h1t artist!
(j/k :D I read through your link, and that's how it closed. thought that was funny :2: ) |
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