| t2188na |
I'm a little shaken and concerned that I just came of an X-way on at 30MPH ramp, doing a little less than 30MPH with a slight right curve coming up to a light did a 180. I just finished raining but the pavement appeared clear and drying quickly.
I have driven that ramp countless times in 30 years and in any vehicle I have ever had or driven there I never, ever had that happen.
I'm feel very fortunate that I was away from the cars at the light with nobody around me. I am very lucky not to crash it or go into the grass. (Thank you big guy).
I have had my 2003 with 41,000 miles less
than one month. The tires are fine (Integrity). On Sat we are going from Detroit to Mackinaw City. I am obviously very concerned and so is my wife.
If this makes any sense the vehicle controlled itself (in the spin) very well.
Once the tires cool down I'm going to double check them set them at 32psi.
Yes I am a NEWBIE, yes, yes, yes to the nth degree. My wife has a CRV and no problems on that ramp - rain or shine.
$!@*_)!@*$!_$*!@_$*!@_$*!@_)$*_!!!!!
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| drm1111 |
| The Goodyears are know for poor traction in the rain. I personally like the Michelin Cross Terrains. I noticed a big difference after I put the Michelins on. I had several occasions where I got a little "loose" in the rain with the Goodyears. |
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| jay |
| Spinning on damp pavement was the last straw for me with those F%$%$ing Integrity tires. Switched to Michelin Cross Terrains and that problem went away. |
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| t2188na |
Thanks for the info guys.
I'm pretty ticked off since I just bought it and now have to put new tires on it.
I really hope that when I'm on I-75 going to Northern Lower MI (car will be loaded up) that I can drive in the rain at 60-65.
Should I be worried that I might be putting us at a big risk?
What do you think?
Thanks - Newbie
I just posted a my gas mileage. |
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| krygny |
I never had a problem with the Integritys but they only had 33K mi. on them when I replaced them with Goodyear Forterra TripleTreds, which I am convinced are the perfect tires for the Pilot.
The handling of the Pilot makes it feel tight, nimble and as if it's smaller and lighter than it really is. It's easy to forget it weighs 4400 pounds but physics dictates that it can't be driven like a lighter vehicle. It goes like the dickens in rain, snow or ice but it doesn't stop any better than anything else that weighs as much. |
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| hontor |
| I would consider new tires at this point. Tires with 41,000 are all done in my opinion. Especially the Integrity's. Not worth the risk at all to you or your family. |
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| Sportymonk |
Let's not forget that it has just lightly rained. The beginning of rain on roads that have been dry for a long time are especially dangerous until the oil and other things on the road are washed away.
That said, the Badyear lack-of-integrities have a reputation of poor wet and snow handling. All about all that can be said is that they are black, round and usually hold air.
A word of caution about trying the 30 trial tires. Make sure there is no mileage limitation on them. Also, try to pick a set that you may want to live with later. The top mentioned tires seem to be the Bridgestone Alenzas (sic?), the Goodyear Silent Armors, the Michelin Cross Terrains, and the Good year Triple Treads.
The Integrity's are some of the cheapest tires for the Pilot, I don't like "cheap" tires.
As stated above, at 41,000 most tires are in need of replacing. Some tires have a hard compound that gives long life but poor grip. I suspect that is the case with the lack-of-integrities.
Yeah I would be upset too about having to buy new tires but maybe you could go back to the dealer and see if he will help. (Maybe help get a price break on the new tires or something.) |
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| t2188na |
I checked my tires and they were at 36psi cold.
I lowered them to 32psi cold.
Do you think that I should keep it there for my trip? The Pilot will be fairly loaded up.
Do you think that it might give me little better grip on wet roads?
I'm not a tire expert.
Thank for the other responses. They were very helpful.
NJA (Newbie) |
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| humanoid |
| 32 seems a bit low to me. I would probably air them to 34, just to split the difference. |
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| sblvro |
| :4: try the bridgestone dueler A/T revos. you can't be wrong! best rated by tirerack and 4runner owners alike. especially if you plan to use it michigan a lot. I've been there and I know they don't plow the snow until 24 hours later(yup, even interstate highways). |
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| BigJimCalhoun |
I had a pair of Bridgestone Dueller (II APT ?) from Sears on the Tacoma and I got about 100,000 miles out of them. No complaints. :D
If you go to the Goodyear site, you will see that the Integrity is listed under passenger cars, not SUV.
I am considering getting the BF Goodrich All Terrain Radials for the Tacoma, maybe even the Pilot. The BFG AT/Rs are really aggressive. They will be loud and rough, but everyone in the Tacoma club swears by them. We live in Colorado and lots of roads around here are washboarded dirt.
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodye...tarea=Passenger
http://www.bfgoodrich.com/ (sorry, no direct link as they have a stupid web site with frames and therefore, no direct links to pages. :confused: |
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| Sportymonk |
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Originally posted by sblvro
:4: try the bridgestone dueler A/T revos. you can't be wrong! best rated by tirerack and 4runner owners alike. especially if you plan to use it michigan a lot. I've been there and I know they don't plow the snow until 24 hours later(yup, even interstate highways).
I have been puzzled by the Revos as they are an All Terrain tire which you would normally expect to be noisier and not have as smooth a ride but Tire Rack indicates they are quieter than the Bridgestone Alanzas. |
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| xGS |
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Originally posted by BigJimCalhoun
I am considering getting the BF Goodrich All Terrain Radials for the Tacoma, maybe even the Pilot. The BFG AT/Rs are really aggressive. They will be loud and rough, but everyone in the Tacoma club swears by them. We live in Colorado and lots of roads around here are washboarded dirt.
http://www.bfgoodrich.com/ (sorry, no direct link as they have a stupid web site with frames and therefore, no direct links to pages. :confused:
The web page you want is here: [http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfga...terraintako.jsp] |
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| Sunday Rider |
quote:
Originally posted by t2188na
I checked my tires and they were at 36psi cold.
I lowered them to 32psi cold.
Do you think that I should keep it there for my trip? The Pilot will be fairly loaded up.
Do you think that it might give me little better grip on wet roads?
I'm not a tire expert.
Thank for the other responses. They were very helpful.
NJA (Newbie)
I have the same tires on my 2003, I keep them at 34-36, and when it rains I keep lots of distance between me and the guy in front, and drop to the speed limit. I once hydroplaned when I first got it, so I know exactly how you feel. With it loaded down, you will also have better grip.
If you get a chance, change them as the above posters have indicated. No sense on the added stress. But if you keep them, just know their limitations. |
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| N_Jay |
I would guess the road was slick, the tires were marginal, but what caused the problem was that for some reason the VTM-4 came on hard (probably detecting slip) and locked the back wheels together.
With no differential action between the rear wheels in a corner rear traction was lost and the back end came around.
You might have been coming in to the turn under power, and when it felt a bit loose you lifted the throttle suddenly. (my guess)
You say the Pilot was loaded? If you had a lot of weight in the rear, it would increase the tendency to do this.
This is classic "Trailing Throttle Over-steer". |
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| rocky |
My Pilot lost traction in very similar conditions and stepped sideways.
Its truly the tires. They are bad to begin with and after three years most tires start to harden and loose traction as the rubber ages.
For your family replace the tires |
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| andyschneider |
My wife is pretty "numb" when it comes to tire traction - but after she got her '04 with the Integrity tires, it only took 1 rain storm for her to say "swap out those tires, I almost spun out today". On her '04 I put on a set of Michelin LTX M/S after 1 week of owning the Pilot, and at 29k miles today, she's still smiling and the tires still measure out at 10/32 of tread.
On my '06, it came with the Bridgestone Dueler's from the factory, and I'll say that I'm still pretty happy even at 8k miles. Do well in the rain, and did well in the winter (although they were essentially new when I last drove in the snow) - the acid test will be this coming winter, since they are wearing already - but it's more than I expected with them, that's for sure.
Anything you swap to with that number of miles will be an improvement - trust me. :D
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| t2188na |
Other than myself the car was not carrying any cargo.
Since I'm new to this vehicle (Newbie) I don't understand the VTM-4 system capability and what to be aware of to manage my interaction with it.
I will be in Northern Lower Michigan around Mackinaw City.
If I get stuck and have to buy tires I'll need to know at least a good brand that generally works well with this vehicle. There is probably not much choice in that area. The biggest store around there is a Wal-Mart in Cheboygan, MI.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Macki...y-Michigan.html
Thanks
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| andyschneider |
Having been in that area of Michigan before, you'll need all the help you can in the winter time, even with the 4WD pilot. The VTM-4 system requires virtually no input from you - it will put tractions to the rear wheels if it detects slippage from the front wheels - works really well. The VTM-4 button on the dash is only to be used if you're stuck and not moving (look at the owners manual).
In general the Michelin LTX M/S and Michelin CrossTerrain are two great tires, and folks have been happy with the Goodyear Forteras (couple of tread designs if I remember correctly).
I wouldn't want to be running fairly-worn Integrity tires during the winters up where you live!! I'd replace the tires now before winter so you dont have to worry about it - you'll be happy right from the start, on dry-pavement driving and on wet roads, and still be smiling in the winter...
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| andyschneider |
A quick look shows that Michelin tires are carried by either WalMart or Spies auto in Cheboygan, or for goodyear Mannings, also in Cheboygan. Sounds like there are some options for tires in that town, shown as 16 miles from Mac City....
andy |
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| Mainer |
Hydroplaning with my OEM Bridgestones put me in the new tire market.
Another vote for Michelin Cross Terains - I love them and wish I'd gotten them sooner. |
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| Caf2461 |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I would guess the road was slick, the tires were marginal, but what caused the problem was that for some reason the VTM-4 came on hard (probably detecting slip) and locked the back wheels together.
With no differential action between the rear wheels in a corner rear traction was lost and the back end came around.
You might have been coming in to the turn under power, and when it felt a bit loose you lifted the throttle suddenly. (my guess)
You say the Pilot was loaded? If you had a lot of weight in the rear, it would increase the tendency to do this.
This is classic "Trailing Throttle Over-steer".
I think you are right about the vtm-4 kicking in to aid in traction and not helping matters when slipping in the middle of a corner. Speaking from experience - Staying on the power and drifting through the corner in true pro-rally fashion is the only way to manage these situations. Something I did all the time while racing my rx-7 with limited slip. However to be honest it is not something I would probably remember to do while hauling the family in the pilot.
The true cause however is the Goodyears. They are not a bad minivan tire for 99% of the time but are vere greasy in turning situations when the road is greasy. Mine had 3/4 tread when I pitched them and if I had to do it all over again they would have been gone day one. Bridgestone Dueler Alenza's here.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surve...ay.jsp?type=HAS
Family safe now and the ride/quietness is improved significantly. |
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| t2188na |
What size are suggested?
Stock according to the Honda Owners Manual states:
P235/70R16. and whatever 104S means
Thanks,
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| BigJimCalhoun |
| For those who do not know, there are many different Bridgestone Dueller models, just like Goodyear Eagles. |
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| andyschneider |
quote:
Originally posted by t2188na
What size are suggested?
Stock according to the Honda Owners Manual states:
P235/70R16. and whatever 104S means
Thanks,
NJA
The 235/70R16 is the size you should get. 104S is the load and speed rating. Typically, if you get the size listed, the load/speed ratings will be the same or better... The Michelin LTX M/S I put on mine was that size. The tread on this model tire is really good in the winter - lots of outer-edge biting tread sections while still really quiet on dry pavement. The wife loves them, even on the icy/snowy backroads in the hilly section of NH that we live.....
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| andrec8513 |
| At 41k miles, those tires are deadly! I swapped those tires out before I even picked up my 05 pilot. Put 245/70-16 Open Country Toyo tires on it and have never had a problem. |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by t2188na
I have had my 2003 with 41,000 miles ... The tires are fine (Integrity).
As others have already said, Integrities are crappy tires. Some have driven them longer than 41k, but, even when new, look at how Goodyear rates them (esp for wet traction) against some of their better tires:
Integrities..............Triple Treads....Silent Armor
Dry Traction . = 7 .............= 10.........= 8
Wet Traction = 6........... = 10.........= 8
Sno traction . = 7.............= 10..........= 7
Ride Comfort = 8...............= 5...........= 5
Quiet Ride ... = 8...............= 8.........= 10
Wet traction is always one of the most important criteria I look at when buying tires. Thanks to Sportymonk for finding that comparison on Goodyear's website.
Thanks also to krygny for posting this comparison of SUV tires from Consumer Reports last year (newer one, anyone?): |
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| krygny |
quote:
Originally posted by andyschneider
Having been in that area of Michigan before, you'll need all the help you can in the winter time, even with the 4WD pilot. The VTM-4 system requires virtually no input from you - it will put tractions to the rear wheels if it detects slippage from the front wheels - works really well. The VTM-4 button on the dash is only to be used if you're stuck and not moving (look at the owners manual).
In general the Michelin LTX M/S and Michelin CrossTerrain are two great tires, and folks have been happy with the Goodyear Forteras (couple of tread designs if I remember correctly).
I wouldn't want to be running fairly-worn Integrity tires during the winters up where you live!! I'd replace the tires now before winter so you dont have to worry about it - you'll be happy right from the start, on dry-pavement driving and on wet roads, and still be smiling in the winter...
andy
I haven't used my Fortera TripleTreds in snow or slush yet but they have the "Snowflake on the Mountain" symbol which makes them bona fide snow tires. But I can say the wet and dry performance is outstanding. Oh, and they really look cool too. The thing I hated most about the Goodyear Integritys - they suggested "minivan". :o |
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| TerryP |
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Originally posted by andyschneider
On my '06, it came with the Bridgestone Dueler's from the factory, and I'll say that I'm still pretty happy even at 8k miles. Do well in the rain, and did well in the winter (although they were essentially new when I last drove in the snow) - the acid test will be this coming winter, since they are wearing already - but it's more than I expected with them, that's for sure.
andy
Your signature indicates you have the LX model. Do all LX models come with the Bridgestone Duelers and the EX come with the Integrity? If so, maybe I could get a dealer to swap while new?
I am Pilot shopping, hoping to buy with all the great deals going on right now on the '06 models.
It would be nice to drive away from the dealership with not only a new Pilot, but also better tires!
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| Sportymonk |
quote:
Originally posted by TerryP
Your signature indicates you have the LX model. Do all LX models come with the Bridgestone Duelers and the EX come with the Integrity? If so, maybe I could get a dealer to swap while new?
I am Pilot shopping, hoping to buy with all the great deals going on right now on the '06 models.
It would be nice to drive away from the dealership with not only a new Pilot, but also better tires!
Terry
I was told by one dealer that the cloth seat Pilots come with Bridgestones and the leather ones come with Goodyears. Besides the insanity of the logic of that, it seems the some have reported buying experiences to the contrary. Bottom line is to look and see what your Pilot comes with and and them to swap to Bridgestones. |
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| t2188na |
Made it back from Mackinaw City alive!
Went to one Tire dealer today and asked what's suited to my 2003 Pilot.
H I S Answer:
Michelin LTX MS
Toyo Open Country HT
BF Goodrich Long Trail T/A
He suggested the Toyo.
Will be checking other places soon.
If anyone can tell me the best chain to deal with in the Detroit Metro area, I would appreciate it.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
NJA
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| rocky |
My personal top replacement tire currently is the Michelin LTX which is on the list.
Only picture of the Toyo I can find, doesn't give me confidence in its rain slush clearing abilities which in MI is important
The BFG isn't a bad tire but rates #28 in Tireracks survey
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| fjwagner |
quote:
Originally posted by t2188na
Made it back from Mackinaw City alive!
Went to one Tire dealer today and asked what's suited to my 2003 Pilot.
H I S Answer:
Michelin LTX MS
Toyo Open Country HT
BF Goodrich Long Trail T/A
He suggested the Toyo.
Will be checking other places soon.
Dealers recommend what they stock. Plus, most of the people working at those stores dont have much of a clue. I take the opposite approach and do independant research, then find a dealer that will sell at a competitive price. I sacrifice wear life for performance, but most dealers assume I want max tread life. Already a mis-match.
In my book, the top three are the Triple Tred, Dueler Revo, Pirelli Scorpion STR (not the North American STR-A). But, this has been bantered about to great lengths within this forum. I think Michelin has been surpassed which is borne out in the Consumer Reports ratings published earlier in the thread. Plus they are pricey! Fred |
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| Sportymonk |
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Originally posted by fjwagner
... snip ..In my book, the top three are the Triple Tred, Dueler Revo, Pirelli Scorpion STR (not the North American STR-A). ... snip ...Fred
I I wonder why Tire Rack rates the Revo quieter than the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Revo is an A/T tire and I would think it is noisier. |
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| fjwagner |
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
I I wonder why Tire Rack rates the Revo quieter than the Bridgestone Alenzas. The Revo is an A/T tire and I would think it is noisier.
I have the same curiosity. I am replacing my Integrities in another 5k (30 k total) and the Revo has continually picqued my interest. The fact that it is All Terain, but yet has quiet rating goes against the grain. I think that doubt is why I have chosen the Pirelli STR as my replacement in a few months. |
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| yosemitesamiam |
Anyone I've ever talked to with even the most modestly built SUV or truck for offroad and onroad use has always sworn by either the BFG ATs or MTs (for the real hard core). I'm going to try and talk the dealer into putting a set on ours. We are planning on purchase around Wednesday or Thursday of next week.
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Originally posted by BigJimCalhoun
I had a pair of Bridgestone Dueller (II APT ?) from Sears on the Tacoma and I got about 100,000 miles out of them. No complaints. :D
If you go to the Goodyear site, you will see that the Integrity is listed under passenger cars, not SUV.
I am considering getting the BF Goodrich All Terrain Radials for the Tacoma, maybe even the Pilot. The BFG AT/Rs are really aggressive. They will be loud and rough, but everyone in the Tacoma club swears by them. We live in Colorado and lots of roads around here are washboarded dirt.
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodye...tarea=Passenger
http://www.bfgoodrich.com/ (sorry, no direct link as they have a stupid web site with frames and therefore, no direct links to pages. :confused:
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| yosemitesamiam |
| oh...btw...tirerack doesn't even sell the BFG ATs... go to onlinetires.com Found them there for $133 each. |
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| charliekhonda |
| Am I correct in assuming that an 06 with VSA will correct itself-if your at a reasonable speed? I have had the system kick in a couple of times. It is remarkable. |
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| t2188na |
Hello Everyone,
Narrowed the search to the following:
235/70/R16
Michelin Cross Terrain
Michelin LTX M/S
Costco told me the Cross Terrains give you more of a Car Ride. Per Costco should get about 60,000 miles.
LTX M/S are not as smooth of a ride and noisier than the Cross Terrains. Per Costco Should get -
a * little more than* 60,000 miles.
I want solid traction in rain and the best I can get in ice rain and snow. I don't want to "screw" around or worry. I want to get in and drive.
Feedback would be appreciated.
It's a personal thing and we might think about running a poll - Tire White Letter showing or Not.
Thank you,
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| 2ndhonda |
if you want best in ICE RAIN and SNOW, then go with the LTX M/S.
mine are no louder than the original bridgestones that came with the car. |
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| fjwagner |
| Consumer Reports has the Goodyear Fortera, Pirelli STR and Hankook RH03 at the top of the list. Both cited Michelin's are towards the bottom now in overall rating. The LTX though has much better hydroplaning resistance than the Cross Terrain which is borne out by the lack of siping to expel water from the edges for the Cross Terrain. Fred |
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| andyschneider |
30k miles on a set of Mich LTX M/S through 2 (so far) NH winters - no issues. Have run this model of tire on 4 vehicles thru the years - and are outstanding in the snow on a 4WD vehicle. I'm a bit of a winter tire "fanatic", and run studded snow tires on all of my FWD vehicles, but have never considered snows on a vehicle with the LTX M/S on them. That's real life....
As far as black vs. white letter - the '04 Pilot is my wife's and she didn't want white letter's out - so that's the way it was. On my '06 4WD, when I replace the factory Bridgestones, it'll be LTX M/S with white letters out! :2:
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| mthomas |
I have about 20K miles on my A/T REVOs (as opposed to just A/T). These tires split the middle of the off-road / on-road equation.
Yes, they're noisier than street tires.
No, they're not as noisy as most A/T tires (actually quiet for that category).
If I lived in Utah or Wyoming, I'd be driving an H2, or a Jeep Wrangler, and getting into serious off-road situations on a semi-regular basis, I'd get something more agressive than the REVOs.
If I was never going to drive in 10+ inches of snow, in the mountains of WV and PA, I wouldn't be driving a 4WD Pilot, and wouldn't want A/T tires. Sooo, a little extra noise is worth the added traction when it's really needed. I also like the appearance of the more agressive tread, sporty with letters out. Truth be told, I like the sound they make on the highway. |
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| ncelk |
Well, now I can do the happy dance. The Goodyears are gone!
Now I know what VSC does. I slid in a 20 mph turn Thursday night in the rain and almost went into a guardrail.
Friday, drove straight to the tire store, got Cross Terrains put on.
I had 15,400 on the Goodyears. It is criminal that these tires are put on ANY vehicle, much less one weighing over 4000 pounds.
Honda should be ashamed of themselves (I have said it before, and I am saying it again:3: ).
I know that a lot of people like the Forteras, but I refuse to give Goodyear $1 of my money ever again. |
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| t2188na |
Summary:
I bought the Cross Terrains @ Costco. They told me to inflate to 35 PSI.
Thanks for all the input and feedback.
Goodyear Integrity - very poor tires and dangerous.
I hated to buy a vehicle and then turn around and change tires that still had lots of tread but I had to for safety sake.
Shame on Honda.
Again, thanks everyone.
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| tangotango99 |
quote:
Originally posted by t2188na
Thanks for the info guys.
I'm pretty ticked off since I just bought it and now have to put new tires on it.
I really hope that when I'm on I-75 going to Northern Lower MI (car will be loaded up) that I can drive in the rain at 60-65.
Should I be worried that I might be putting us at a big risk?
What do you think?
Thanks - Newbie
I just posted a my gas mileage.
Please change the tires asap and have your suspension checked just in case,It is not worth the aggravation an accident |
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| deparson |
I know this has been posted to death but I have to give the Goodyear Fortera TripleTreads another plug.
Amazing difference from the stock 'tires' on the Pilot.
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