| 25psi |
First off I'd like to say hi, this board has been a great help for purchasing a Pilot. Love my new 06' EX 2WD.
I've just notcied the driving from a stop it tends to hold on to first gear of a couple seconds longer then you would assume. Unless you feather the throttle it wont shift until 31-3200RPMs. It still shifts great but is just a little annoyance in an otherwise great vehicle. Anyone else notice this in there 06'-07'? |
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| andyschneider |
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Originally posted by 25psi
First off I'd like to say hi, this board has been a great help for purchasing a Pilot. Love my new 06' EX 2WD.
I've just notcied the driving from a stop it tends to hold on to first gear of a couple seconds longer then you would assume. Unless you feather the throttle it wont shift until 31-3200RPMs. It still shifts great but is just a little annoyance in an otherwise great vehicle. Anyone else notice this in there 06'-07'?
Absolutely - and if you look at earlier threads (say 6 months ago) you'll see where I talked about the very same thing, esp. as compared to my '04 Pilot. They changed the shift patterns in 2005, I believe, when they added the 'drive by wire' throttle changes. It adds more "pep" to the Pilot since it doesn't tend to hunt for gears as much as the older models and downshifts easier than the older ones as well. The downside so far is that the MPG is a tad lower on the '06 than the '04, so the gearing changes might have had an impact there. But it is different tohear the 1-2 shift point be higher than one would expect...
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| whizmo |
I think the problem is that when they upped the peak output of the engine in 2005 from 240 to 255 (subsequently re-measured to be 244 in 2006 when they changed the method of measuring SAE hp), they gave up enough low-end torque, that they had to hold onto 1st gear longer to avoid falling into a hole on the shift to 2nd.
I've driven a pre-2005 and they went backwards on the engine to chase a better-looking spec sheet. Everybody was upping their SUV hp and Honda felt they had to, but the pre-2005 engine was better suited to the vehicle, especially for towing.
- Mark |
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| 25psi |
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Originally posted by whizmo
I think the problem is that when they upped the peak output of the engine in 2005 from 240 to 255 (subsequently re-measured to be 244 in 2006 when they changed the method of measuring SAE hp), they gave up enough low-end torque, that they had to hold onto 1st gear longer to avoid falling into a hole on the shift to 2nd.
I've driven a pre-2005 and they went backwards on the engine to chase a better-looking spec sheet. Everybody was upping their SUV hp and Honda felt they had to, but the pre-2005 engine was better suited to the vehicle, especially for towing.
- Mark
It really has plenty of power down low and I know it would be fine if it would shift at say 2400-2500 under light throttle situations. I tried a little expirement and put the tranny in "2" and started off in 2nd gear, you can barely tell the difference and pulls away fine in 2nd gear, just smoother in the fact that you dont have play with the throttle to get it to shift into 2nd. |
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| andyschneider |
The one thing you'll notice if you drive an 03-04 vs an 05-06 is that the earlier models hang in a gear much longer, and you get "bogging down" with more dramatic downshifting. The later models have a much more responsive shift behavior, with smooth downshifts when it has a hint of a need for more power - much more friendly to drive on those long highway trips with gradual upslopes and downslopes.
My wife drives the '04 and doesn't like the shifting on the '06. I drive the '06 and see the pros/cons of both setups - but my more "spirited" driving seems to favor the '06's method. But it is different to hear the motor rev up over 3k rpm for that 1-2 shift point. But I just don't listen to it any more.....
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| skyking |
| When I first got my '06 last October it was a bit disconcerting at first, because compared to my prior car, an '02 CR-V, the Pilot seemed to hold the first-to-second upshift quite a bit longer. However, you get used to it quickly, at least I did, and now it just seems to shift 1-to-2 at under 3,000 RPM most of the time. Perhaps it is a matter of getting used to the DBW throttle. |
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| mattchalmers |
| I have noticed that the Pilot seems to decelerate quickly when you let off the gas. I assumed that this had something to do with the transmission set up, because it feels like it immediately downshifts. I would think this would definitely impact fuel efficiency negatively. |
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| andyschneider |
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Originally posted by mattchalmers
I have noticed that the Pilot seems to decelerate quickly when you let off the gas. I assumed that this had something to do with the transmission set up, because it feels like it immediately downshifts. I would think this would definitely impact fuel efficiency negatively.
Most Hondas do that - not like the "freewheeling" I've felt in GM transmissions.....I like it - sort of like a manual downshift to help slow down, esp when coming to a toll booth or offramp....
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| juz |
| You'll also notice the 06's stay in lower gears longer when cold in an attempt to bring the engine up to temp faster. Once warm the shift point drops. |
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