| betsyschair |
| I have driven Laredos for the last 6-7 years but I am done with them. Has anyone else made a switch from Jeep to Pilot? what pleasant or unpleasant surprises might be encountered? |
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Originally posted by betsyschair
I have driven Laredos for the last 6-7 years but I am done with them. Has anyone else made a switch from Jeep to Pilot? what pleasant or unpleasant surprises might be encountered?
i drove 2002 4,7 LTD, then i schwitched to 03 Pilot EXL.
somewhere in comparisons, there are mentioned advant. disadva. of both.
now i drive 2006 (2007 in USA) Grand 3,0 CRD Limited.
IMO_ from laredo to exl, no unpleasant. same equipment same quality. from limited - in eqipment an build quality - difference.
pilot is more versatile, better mpg, No.1 transmission. jeep doesn have it.
but i would better drive a new gcherokee than pilot, and so i do. the last model, can compete in in higher level with pilot, than the WJ. |
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| jl_ss |
| Well, the Pilot is more reliable and has a lot more interior space. It has a much better on road ride but will not go everywhere a JGC will off-road. The Pilot is more like a mini-van that is really good in the snow. There is one issue if you are considering the 2wd version - the active noise control system emits a humming. The issue does not affect 4wd versions. Unless you off-road a lot, I don't think any of the surprises will be unpleasant. Here is the Consumer Reports predicted reliability partial list for the mid-size SUV category - there is a big difference between the JGC and Pilot: |
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| ncpilotguy |
I traded a Grand Cherokee for my 05 Pilot.
The Cherokee was a 94 with 160K miles.
I did not like the quality of the 05 Grand Cherokee. It felt cheaply constucted. When I pointed out to the Jeep saleman that the rear hatch was way off center he just slammed it shut as hard as he could to try and fix it.
At that stage we walked off the Jeep lot and the Honda purchase was a done deal. |
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| razzergreen |
| I had an 02 Jeep GC, with the 4.7 for about 2-3 months. Sure I lost my "you know what" but now that I'm in my 04 Pilot EX-L... my back doesn't hurt anymore. The merced. motor in the jeep was great, too bad they couldn't find a better trans to go with it. All in all the pilot ia WAY better of an all around vehicle so far. |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by betsyschair
I have driven Laredos for the last 6-7 years but I am done with them. Has anyone else made a switch from Jeep to Pilot? what pleasant or unpleasant surprises might be encountered?
I traded in my 02 JGC SE for an 06 Pilot. I had been driving the Jeep GC (a 2002 and then the 2002) for about 7 years, so I was very accustomed to it.
Here is a list of things you might miss moving to the Pilot (in no particular order). BTW, this list is provided not for debating between "good" and "bad" features, but as a simple list of factual features:- Auto-off and auto-on headlights (daylight sensing)
- The ability to lock the doors with the remote when a door is still open
- "Program type" radio display - shows the artist, track title, and station ID for FM stations
- Very sturdy cargo area (carpeted on the side walls, so it didn't scratch up like the Pilot will)
- Sturdy cargo anchor points
- Real auto-off exterior and interior lights if left on after locking
- Better stock radio sound that uses an external amp - making for an easy amp upgrade.
- The individual interior lights will turn off if left on after locking.
There are also many user settable features in the Jeep:
- auto-door locks when driving y/n
- Unlock driver's door first y/n
- Headlights on with wipers y/n
- Honk with remote lock y/n
- Exit lights (headlights remain on exit) with programmable time: 30, 60, 90 seconds...
- User selectable service reminder (i.e., 3500, 5000, 7,000 mile intervals)
- ...several more that I don't remember/used much...
The steering wheel controls on the Jeep are also much more usefull and ergonomic.- In addition to volume, channel, and "select", the Jeep has tune/scan up and down and an extra "select" button for changing CDs and such.
- You'll miss having the audio controls at the finger tips of both hands - with the Pilot you have to move your hand down to the bottom of the wheel and poke at the controls with your thumb or index finger.
- Same thing with the cruise controls although you run them with your thumbs (like the Pilot), they larger, placed a lot higher on the wheel, and they are easier to navigate.
Mine was a Special Edition. If you happened to have a Limited, then you'd have programmable seats and other standard features.
I was thinking of making a list of things I don't miss, but maybe later. |
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| betsyschair |
| How does the Pilot driver seat legroom compare to the JGC? I am 6'4 and one of the things I like about the Jeep is the space. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by betsyschair
How does the Pilot driver seat legroom compare to the JGC? I am 6'4 and one of the things I like about the Jeep is the space.
Comparison Link
You really need to drive one to determine if you will be comfortable in one. |
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| fjwagner |
| I rented a jeep in St Louis over the weekend and was not impressed. The fit and finish was poor, the handling did not feel secure on the highway, and the doors/hatch did not close well. the Pilot is head and shoulders a better vehicle for normal usage. I wont speak to off roading. Fred |
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| TR4Runner |
| If you want reliability and off-road ability, just get a 4Runner. That's what I did;) |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
If you want reliability and off-road ability, just get a 4Runner. That's what I did;)
But betsyschair is 6'4" and wants space. I'm only 6' and my head hits the roof in a 4runner. I don't think they'd be happy in a 4runner at all. |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
But betsyschair is 6'4" and wants space. I'm only 6' and my head hits the roof in a 4runner. I don't think they'd be happy in a 4runner at all.
Really? I'm just a bit over 6' tall myself, and I have plenty of headroom. I don't even have any issues when I wear a baseball cap. My 4Runner has a sunroof, so maybe that makes the difference. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Really? I'm just a bit over 6' tall myself, and I have plenty of headroom. I don't even have any issues when I wear a baseball cap. My 4Runner has a sunroof, so maybe that makes the difference.
I test drove a limited 4runner w/moonroof back when we bought our 2003 MDX and with the seat as low as it would go, I was short about 1/2" of headroom. And it felt very cramped compared to the Pilot/MDX. |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
I test drove a limited 4runner w/moonroof back when we bought our 2003 MDX and with the seat as low as it would go, I was short about 1/2" of headroom. And it felt very cramped compared to the Pilot/MDX.
If you're 6' tall and hit your head in a 4Runner, then you must have a VERY long torso. I know quite a few guys over 6' tall who drive 4Runners and have plenty of head room. Think about it--how stupid would it be to market an SUV in America for people 5'11" and under? We are not a nation of small people.... |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
If you're 6' tall and hit your head in a 4Runner, then you must have a VERY long torso. I know quite a few guys over 6' tall who drive 4Runners and have plenty of head room. Think about it--how stupid would it be to market an SUV in America for people 5'11" and under? We are not a nation of small people....
They inlaws always buy Toyota's and we always buy Hondas/Acuras (Except for the truck). Every Toyota of theirs I have driven has had head room problems and been cramped compared to our Hondas/Acuras where I usually have at least an inch of headroom and do not feel cramped. The only conclusion I can draw based on my experience is that Toyota interiors are smaller............ |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by betsyschair
How does the Pilot driver seat legroom compare to the JGC? I am 6'4 and one of the things I like about the Jeep is the space.
I'm 6'2" Leg room is subjective, based on how you like to sit (up high, leaning back, etc...). I was very comfortable in the Jeep (2002), but I had the seat pretty far back and up high - taking up some of the rear leg room.
The thing about the Pilot is that the center console protrudes further into the driver's space - my right leg tends to rest on the side of the Pilot's console and it took some getting used to. Some owners complain about the console making their leg numb.
I like to sit with the seat near the max height so that my legs aren't "folded up". (If only more automakers used telescoping steering...):rolleyes:
That being said, one of the reasons I didn't get the Jeep was that the head room was far inferior. The 2006 models had a sunroof standard and the sunroof took out my only spare head room.
I can say the exact same thing about the Toyota's, Mazda's, etc...
The Pilot has a much higher interior roof line and openness - even with the sunroof. I can actually use the sun visor in the Pilot without cutting off the view in front of me. |
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| samster |
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Originally posted by tim.s
I'm 6'2" Leg room is subjective, based on how you like to sit (up high, leaning back, etc...).
I'll echo that sentiment. I'm 6'5" and find the Pilot quite comfortable. Others have deffered on the legroom issue. I noticed the other day that I sit differently in the Pilot than some other vehicles - I think I'm more curled around the wheel, with more bend in my knees. That may sound uncomfortable, but it isn't - I only noticed because it had come up here. I think the extra headroom, and especially the extra lateral space just lend themselves to that kind of position. I felt much more comfortable in the Pilot than the 4Runner (which I didn't even bother to drive due to the discomfort). I wouldn't mind having more adjustments in the Pilot (telescoping wheel, maybe more rearward seat travel), but I don't notice them as "deficiencies" when I'm driving - I have to think about it to want anything else, which probably says something about how much I really need them.
More than any other SUV I drove, the Pilot just "fit" from the first time I got behind the wheel. Your mileage may vary.
(Actually, that's a different thread... :-) ) |
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| Jet-Pilot-64 |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Really? I'm just a bit over 6' tall myself, and I have plenty of headroom. I don't even have any issues when I wear a baseball cap. My 4Runner has a sunroof, so maybe that makes the difference.
You just have a short torso... |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by Jet-Pilot-64
You just have a short torso...
Not really.... probably average for a guy just over six feet tall. Like I said, I know a few guys that are as tall (or even taller) than me who own 4Runners and don't have any issues with headroom at all.
Like I said before--nobody markets an SUV in the U.S. that is intended only for short people. I'll admit that the 4Runner isn't the roomiest vehicle when it comes to head room, but it is more than good enough for a six footer, even if he/she has a long torso. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
I'll admit that the 4Runner isn't the roomiest vehicle when it comes to head room, but it is more than good enough for a six footer, even if he/she has a long torso.
OK, I guess it was my imagination that my head was hitting the roof.....:rolleyes: . |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
OK, I guess it was my imagination that my head was hitting the roof.....:rolleyes: .
And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| helpless |
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Originally posted by TR4Runner
And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You're absolutely right about being an IDIOT!
And its not your imagination, no doubt about that! :mad: |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
You're absolutely right about being an IDIOT!
And its not your imagination, no doubt about that! :mad:
Easy there, killer. No need to get personal.
Why get so bent out of shape about the headroom of a vehicle that you don't even own?:rolleyes: |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote:
" I'll admit that the 4Runner isn't the roomiest vehicle when it comes to head room, but it is more than good enough for a six footer, even if he/she has a long torso."
I am 6 ft tall with MAYBE a little longer than average torso (I wear a regular size suit jacket, not a long) and my head hits the roof with the moonroof version. So apparently that last part of your statement is not true or maybe you do have a shorter than average torso as mentioned earlier. I have plenty of headroom clearance in our MDX with a moonroof. |
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| phi144 |
| I usually stay out of these types of "discussions", but come on. Is the bickering really necessary? To each his/her own. |
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| Jet-Pilot-64 |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Easy there, killer. No need to get personal.
Why get so bent out of shape about the headroom of a vehicle that you don't even own?:rolleyes:
TR, why are you hanging in this forum? Are you looking to upgrade to a Pilot? :drool: |
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| tim.s |
:cursin: I say I do fit!
:3: I say you don't!
:cursin: I do!
:3: You can't!
:cursin: I must!
:3: You wrong!
________at least that is what it sounds like to the rest of us________
Okay, so now I'll probably get a :headslap: from someone, but this is a bit silly. Someone could even look up the head room specs and we still wouldn't have a "decision" because it is a matter of preference.
Anyone comparing these two vehicles for purchase needs to go sit in both and decide.
After all, it all depends on how you adjust the seat, the range of seat travel, and what is comfortable for each person.
Now, does anyone have any more useful JeepGC v. Pilot info for betsyschair? |
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| phi144 |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tim.s
[B]:cursin: I say I do fit!
:3: I say you don't!
:cursin: I do!
:3: You can't!
:cursin: I must!
:3: You wrong!
________at least that is what it sounds like to the rest of us________
Exactly! |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by tim.s
:cursin: I say I do fit!
:3: I say you don't!
:cursin: I do!
:3: You can't!
:cursin: I must!
:3: You wrong!
________at least that is what it sounds like to the rest of us________
Okay, so now I'll probably get a :headslap: from someone, but this is a bit silly. Someone could even look up the head room specs and we still wouldn't have a "descision" because it is a matter of preference.
Anyone comparing these two vehicles for purchase needs to go sit in both and decide.
After all, it all depends on how you adjust the seat, the range of seat travel, and what is comfortable for each person.
Now, does anyone have any more usefull JeepGC v. Pilot info for betsyschair?
I suggested the most useful thing of all much much earlier in this thread. It is the only thing that actually will tell you whether you are comfortable in it - It's called a TEST DRIVE. Not all manufacturers measure everything they same way so even checking published head room specs can mean nothing. I even provided the edmunds comparison and the CR reliability results.
But it is pretty hard to ignore when you get in a vehicle and lower the seat as far as it will go and your head still hits the roof and then somebody tells you no it didn't..............:4: but I'm done for now.
Also nobody makes you read every post and if you don't wish to see someones posts you can click on the profile button under the users post and click add to your ignore list. |
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| helpless |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Easy there, killer. No need to get personal.
Why get so bent out of shape about the headroom of a vehicle that you don't even own?:rolleyes:
How can that be personal?
I merely confirmed what you said!
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside
FYI. I used to own a 4Runner myself. An 03' model which Toyota redesigned that year. Nice truck. However, I found it cramped and lacking in headroom for a six-footer like myself. Initially I thought I could live with it. But after 9 months, I traded it in for a Pilot.
I'm sure glad I did cuz now, I have lots of headroom and I don't feel cramped inside.
BTW, I'm not a killer.
Looking back during those 9 months that I had the 4Runner, I guess I was just like you, an IDIOT who kept on imagining how the hell did my six foot frame fit inside and without hitting the roof at that!
But not anymore!:D |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by Jet-Pilot-64
TR, why are you hanging in this forum? Are you looking to upgrade to a Pilot? :drool:
No, I chose a 4Runner over a Pilot. I'm here because I like to read about all SUVs. I'm also a member of several other SUV forums. |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
But it is pretty hard to ignore when you get in a vehicle and lower the seat as far as it will go and your head still hits the roof and then somebody tells you no it didn't
Nobody ever said that your head didn't hit the roof. If you say it happened, I don't doubt it at all. But the fact remains that I'm the same height as you and I don't have a problem hitting my head. I know a few guys taller than me and you who drive 4Runners without hitting their head. Why is that so hard to believe? Maybe I'll do a poll over on the 4Runner forum and see how many owners are 6 feet or taller. It would be amazing to see that there are plenty of owners that tall who don't have an issue with ceiling height.
But really it's a non-issue because I'm a 6-foot-tall 4Runner owner without any headroom issues....and that's all that really matters. |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
How can that be personal?
I merely confirmed what you said!
Okay, maybe I have to explain it to you.... Notice that I put the "rolleyes" smilie after my sentence. That conveys the sarcasm of my words. You simply called me an idiot, which I don't really appreciate. If you really believe that I'm an idiot, then I wouldn't want to hear your self-assessment.
Anyway, don't get so angry about something as trivial as headroom of a 4Runner. Life is too short to get your blood pressure up for something as silly as that! Stay healthy;)
Oh, and congrats on finally realizing that you don't fit inside a 4Runner. You were really smart to buy a vehicle that you didn't fit inside in the first place. Good job! |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
I am 6 ft tall with MAYBE a little longer than average torso (I wear a regular size suit jacket, not a long)
Amazingly enough, I do wear a long suit jacket. But that might be because I have longer-than-average arms. My inseam is 32" if that helps, but I think that's about average for someone 6'. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Amazingly enough, I do wear a long suit jacket. But that might be because I have longer-than-average arms. My inseam is 32" if that helps, but I think that's about average for someone 6'.
My inseam is 32" also. Do you sit with your seat angled back (cause of the long arms)? I essentially need a 90-95 degree seat angle cause of back issues so I am sitting straight up - maybe that's the difference. But I do that in the Pilot/MDX too and still have plenty of headroom. |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
My inseam is 32" also. Do you sit with your seat angled back (cause of the long arms)? I essentially need a 90-95 degree seat angle cause of back issues so I am sitting straight up - maybe that's the difference. But I do that in the Pilot/MDX too and still have plenty of headroom.
Maybe that is the answer. I do have the seatback reclined more than you described, but I wouldn't say that it is reclined back very far. I'll have to position the seatback as upright as possible and see if my head hits.
Also, I prefer lower thigh support, so I always angle the lower seat cushion as high as possible. Doing so forces me to bring the seat back toward the front, so maybe it's impossible for me to get it near a 90 degree angle. |
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| Scoobs |
I'm 5'11" and have only ever hit my head once while getting into a 4Runner. It was while I was getting into the backseat at the carshow. My head doesn't hit the ceiling while I am seated. The sunroof in the 4Runner does cut into the available headroom in the front seat by @ 1" when the sunshade is closed. When the sunshade is open there is more headroom than in a 4Runner without the sunroof.
There is lots more headroom in my Pilot but it's wasted on me as my head is never up there :D |
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| helpless |
quote:
Originally posted by TR4Runner
Oh, and congrats on finally realizing that you don't fit inside a 4Runner. You were really smart to buy a vehicle that you didn't fit inside in the first place. Good job!
I never said I bought a 4Runner!:confused:
I suggest you read my post again before making any idiotic remarks.:o |
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| jpd0363 |
[QUOTE]Looking back during those 9 months that I had the 4Runner, I guess I was just like you, an IDIOT who kept on imagining how the hell did my six foot frame fit inside and without hitting the roof at that![QUOTE]
Only 9 months huh? I guess your not as "helpless" as your name implies. |
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| helpless |
quote:
Originally posted by jpd0363
[QUOTE]Looking back during those 9 months that I had the 4Runner, I guess I was just like you, an IDIOT who kept on imagining how the hell did my six foot frame fit inside and without hitting the roof at that![QUOTE]
Only 9 months huh? I guess your not as "helpless" as your name implies.
And what about your name "jpd0363", what does it imply? |
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| Mystique |
| A confused seatbelt "whiner".:2: |
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| Scoobs |
| One of the nice things about Hondapilot.org is that we all get along and don't diss each other. Some of the oldtimers have an exemption from that rule but newbies should abide by it.:D |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
I never said I bought a 4Runner!:confused:
I suggest you read my post again before making any idiotic remarks.:o
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
FYI. I used to own a 4Runner myself. An 03' model which Toyota redesigned that year. Nice truck. However, I found it cramped and lacking in headroom for a six-footer like myself. Initially I thought I could live with it. But after 9 months, I traded it in for a Pilot.
Sure sounds like you bought a 4Runner to me.
:confused:
For someone who hasn't been here very long, you sure don't seem like you are posting much that is constructive. Posts like that won't keep you here very long... :4: |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
And what about your name "jpd0363", what does it imply?
We've got a thread for that already (What does your user name mean?).
I think we're getting off topic again...oh what's the point...
Now back to the :twak: |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by tim.s
We've got a thread for that already (What does your user name mean?).
I think we're getting off topic again...oh what's the point...
Now back to the :twak:
What thread stays on topic around here? :) |
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| helpless |
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
Sure sounds like you bought a 4Runner to me.
:confused:
Owning a vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you bought it!
Ownership of a vehicle can be had in so many ways i.e.; as a gift, as a collateral, as a lease, as a direct purchase, etc..
In my case, it was not a purchase.
And knowing that I don't fit inside comfortably, why would I buy one?
quote:
Originally posted by sjlee
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Originally posted by helpless
FYI. I used to own a 4Runner myself. An 03' model which Toyota redesigned that year. Nice truck. However, I found it cramped and lacking in headroom for a six-footer like myself. Initially I thought I could live with it. But after 9 months, I traded it in for a Pilot.
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For someone who hasn't been here very long, you sure don't seem like you are posting much that is constructive. Posts like that won't keep you here very long...
Whats not constructive about my post?
It's first hand information from a six-footer who has had the chance to experience driving a 4Runner.
Now if you don't have any first hand info to contribute to the subject matter, I suggest you refrain from criticizing my post because that's not being constructive. |
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| phi144 |
| I know, I could just ignore the thread but we all know how well that works out...;) |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
Owning a vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you bought it!
Ownership of a vehicle can be had in so many ways i.e.; as a gift, as a collateral, as a lease, as a direct purchase, etc..
In my case, it was not a purchase.
True, but in most cases, owning a vehicle does mean that you bought it... so making that guess was not that far-fetched.
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
Whats not constructive about my post?
It's first hand information from a six-footer who has had the chance to experience driving a 4Runner.
Now if you don't have any first hand info to contribute to the subject matter, I suggest you refrain from criticizing my post because that's not being constructive.
Actually, out of all five of your posts in this thread, there was really only one that was constructive... the one which you actually stated that. The rest... well, the rest sounds like it's coming from a troll.
1. "You're absolutely right about being an IDIOT!
And its not your imagination, no doubt about that! "
2a. "How can that be personal?
I merely confirmed what you said!"
2b. "FYI. I used to own a 4Runner myself. An 03' model which Toyota redesigned that year. Nice truck. However, I found it cramped and lacking in headroom for a six-footer like myself. Initially I thought I could live with it. But after 9 months, I traded it in for a Pilot.
I'm sure glad I did cuz now, I have lots of headroom and I don't feel cramped inside.
BTW, I'm not a killer.
Looking back during those 9 months that I had the 4Runner, I guess I was just like you, an IDIOT who kept on imagining how the hell did my six foot frame fit inside and without hitting the roof at that!
But not anymore!"
3. "I never said I bought a 4Runner!
I suggest you read my post again before making any idiotic remarks."
4. "And what about your name "jpd0363", what does it imply?"
5a. "Owning a vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you bought it!
Ownership of a vehicle can be had in so many ways i.e.; as a gift, as a collateral, as a lease, as a direct purchase, etc..
In my case, it was not a purchase.
And knowing that I don't fit inside comfortably, why would I buy one?"
5b. "Whats not constructive about my post?
It's first hand information from a six-footer who has had the chance to experience driving a 4Runner.
Now if you don't have any first hand info to contribute to the subject matter, I suggest you refrain from criticizing my post because that's not being constructive." |
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| TR4Runner |
quote:
Originally posted by helpless
I never said I bought a 4Runner!:confused:
I suggest you read my post again before making any idiotic remarks.:o
No, you said that you owned a 4Runner. Nice head.
The next time someone decides to give you a vehicle for free, you should probably ensure that you fit inside. Just a suggestion! LOL! |
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| Aru4mie |
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Originally posted by TR4Runner
No, you said that you owned a 4Runner. Nice head.
The next time someone decides to give you a vehicle for free, you should probably ensure that you fit inside. Just a suggestion! LOL!
So, whats funny about that?
Helpless already made himself clear. He owned a 4Runner but didn't purchase it.
End of story.
Is that hard to comprehend?
Can we move on to discuss the real subject matter of this thread which is about the Pilot vs The Jeep Grand Cherokee? |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by Aru4mie
Can we move on to discuss the real subject matter of this thread which is about the Pilot vs The Jeep Grand Cherokee?
That was done in the first few posts, now we are in the thread goes down the toilet period of replies.........:D . |
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| bluesdog64 |
Not exactly getting back to the Grand Cherokee vs. Pilot subject but...
I absolutely agree that, in order to see if you fit, you've gotta get in 'em and try 'em out.
I did A LOT of test drives, comparisons, etc. before going with the pilot. I was amazed at how uncramped I felt in a Toyota RAV4 (6' 1"; 240lbs - no small fry here), but how cramped I felt in a Toyota Highlander. Didn't test the 4Runner, so I can't compare. I was actually starting to lean towards a RAV4 but didn't like the way the cargo door opened up (like the CR-V - at least until '07).k:flush:
Wasn't crazy about the new Grand Cherokee either. Somehow it looks way smaller than in recent previous years, and didn't like the fit/finish.
Forget the GM's and Fords.
I also bend my knees more than I'm used to, but I find that it helps me stay more alert on the road and makes me stay straighter in the seat (better for my old back!). :crazyeye:
So, that's my 2 cents worth of info. Let's stop all the :bsflag: and stop beating each other up now :yodaddy: |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by bluesdog64
Not exactly getting back to the Grand Cherokee vs. Pilot subject but...
I absolutely agree that, in order to see if you fit, you've gotta get in 'em and try 'em out.
I did A LOT of test drives, comparisons, etc. before going with the pilot. I was amazed at how uncramped I felt in a Toyota RAV4 (6' 1"; 240lbs - no small fry here), but how cramped I felt in a Toyota Highlander. Didn't test the 4Runner, so I can't compare. I was actually starting to lean towards a RAV4 but didn't like the way the cargo door opened up (like the CR-V - at least until '07).k:flush:
Wasn't crazy about the new Grand Cherokee either. Somehow it looks way smaller than in recent previous years, and didn't like the fit/finish.
Forget the GM's and Fords.
I also bend my knees more than I'm used to, but I find that it helps me stay more alert on the road and makes me stay straighter in the seat (better for my old back!). :crazyeye:
So, that's my 2 cents worth of info. Let's stop all the :bsflag: and stop beating each other up now :yodaddy:
You get a 10 point penalty for excessive use of smilies in a single post.....:14: :2: :21: :2: |
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| TR4Runner |
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Originally posted by Aru4mie
So, whats funny about that?
Helpless already made himself clear. He owned a 4Runner but didn't purchase it.
End of story.
Is that hard to comprehend?
Can we move on to discuss the real subject matter of this thread which is about the Pilot vs The Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Oh, it's extremely funny to me. Someone decided to give him a new SUV for free, but he chose one that he didn't fit inside! LOL! It's even funnier that it took him so long to realize that he didn't fit inside. If I decided to try and cram my size 11 foot into a size 8 shoe, I would know that it didn't fit immediately. helpless would live with it for a few months and then have an epithany that it just didn't fit! LOL.
BTW, feel free to talk about the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Nobody is stopping you. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by TR4Runner
BTW, feel free to talk about the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Nobody is stopping you.
If there was really anything good to say about the JGC, we'd be talking about it - but since their isn't.......... |
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| bluesdog64 |
OK JL...I'll retract the 1st 2 smilies but stand with the last 2...
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!!
I did say a couple of valid things tho'...didn't I? (I know, the freakin' smilies took all the wind out of it).
None this time! |
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| bluesdog64 |
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Originally posted by TR4Runner
helpless would live with it for a few months and then have an epithany that it just didn't fit! LOL.
:rolleyes: Ummm...it's epiphany...
Howzabout you and helpless PM each other, or meet in a field somewhere and have it out and just knock it off already? |
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| TR4Runner |
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Originally posted by bluesdog64
:rolleyes: Ummm...it's epiphany...
Howzabout you and helpless PM each other, or meet in a field somewhere and have it out and just knock it off already?
So sorry for the typo. Feel better now? |
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| tim.s |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
If there was really anything good to say about the JGC, we'd be talking about it - but since their isn't..........
There are few nice things the Pilot lacks (see here). Most of the electronic conveniences that people miss having in their Pilot can be found in the Jeep GC. But I guess that can be said with many of the other Honda models - it just seems that Honda doesn't go for these type of features (leaving them for the Acura I guess). |
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| Aru4mie |
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Originally posted by TR4Runner
Oh, it's extremely funny to me. Someone decided to give him a new SUV for free, but he chose one that he didn't fit inside! LOL! It's even funnier that it took him so long to realize that he didn't fit inside. If I decided to try and cram my size 11 foot into a size 8 shoe, I would know that it didn't fit immediately. helpless would live with it for a few months and then have an epithany that it just didn't fit! LOL.
BTW, feel free to talk about the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Nobody is stopping you.
It seems that you find someone else's post extremely funny (but) without knowing the real story.
How did you know that he (helpless) got a new SUV for free and chose one that didn't fit inside? Nothing in his posts tells me that. He said he owned a 4Runner but didn't purchase it. He never elaborated how he got it.
Looks like you're making this all up and imagining things again.:eek:
It seems you have a propensity to imagine things as you have previously indicated in your post.
originally posted by TR4Runner:
"And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Even if you say this with sarcasm, it seems to be the norm as evidenced by your remarks.
To laugh at or to find someone's post extremely funny without knowing the real story and worst makes up one, tells me without a doubt that you really are an idiot.
I rest my case.:) |
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| TR4Runner |
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Originally posted by Aru4mie
It seems that you find someone else's post extremely funny (but) without knowing the real story.
How did you know that he (helpless) got a new SUV for free and chose one that didn't fit inside? Nothing in his posts tells me that. He said he owned a 4Runner but didn't purchase it. He never elaborated how he got it.
Looks like you're making this all up and imagining things again.:eek:
It seems you have a propensity to imagine things as you have previously indicated in your post.
originally posted by TR4Runner:
"And I guess it's my imagination that my head doesn't hit the roof....every day that I get in my 4Runner. I must be an idiot to keep a vehicle that my six foot frame doesn't fit inside"
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Even if you say this with sarcasm, it seems to be the norm as evidenced by your remarks.
To laugh at or to find someone's post extremely funny without knowing the real story and worst makes up one, tells me without a doubt that you really are an idiot.
I rest my case.:)
You don't make a very good lawyer, so please don't quit your day job just yet....
The truth of the matter is that I think helpless was stretching the truth, to say the least. He said that he owned a 4Runner, but then claimed he didn't actually pay for it AFTER I made fun of him for buying a vehicle that he didn't fit inside. Sounds like a juvenile attempt to redirect the truth to me. I have my doubts that he ever owned a 4Runner in the first place. It sure seems unusual that anyone would keep any vehicle for so long when he doesn't fit inside.
As far as being an idiot....well, not by a long shot. But you sure seem to make some idiotic comments, so maybe you should take a look in the mirror. If it makes you feel like more of a man, feel free to call me an idiot as much as your heart desires. I find it laughable that someone like you would make a comment like that on a message board, but wouldn't dare make that comment in person. Pathetic. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by tim.s
There are few nice things the Pilot lacks (see here). Most of the electronic conveniences that people miss having in their Pilot can be found in the Jeep GC. But I guess that can be said with many of the other Honda models - it just seems that Honda doesn't go for these type of features (leaving them for the Acura I guess).
And you still bought the Pilot over the JGC, so I guess those things, while nice, are not imperative. |
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| tim.s |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
And you still bought the Pilot over the JGC, so I guess those things, while nice, are not imperative.
I probably would have bought an 06 Grand Cherokee when they were on clearance and had 0% interest, but Jeep made the sun roof standard in the trim line I wanted.
As with any vehicle, adding a sun roof drops the headliner. In the case of the 06 Grand Cherokee, it took away too much of my spare head room. I sat in an 06, but never drove it since I knew I would not be comfortable in the long run.
As betsyschair requested, I offered the list as things that might be missed - moving from a JGC to a Pilot.
It's funny, but most of the features I listed have been wished for by other hp.org members, but these features are just not the "Honda way". |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by tim.s
I probably would have bought an 06 Grand Cherokee when they were on clearance and had 0% interest, but Jeep made the sun roof standard in the trim line I wanted.
As with any vehicle, adding a sun roof drops the headliner. In the case of the 06 Grand Cherokee, it took away too much of my spare head room. I sat in an 06, but never drove it since I knew I would not be comfortable in the long run.
As betsyschair requested, I offered the list as things that might be missed - moving from a JGC to a Pilot.
It's funny, but most of the features I listed have been wished for by other hp.org members, but these features are just not the "Honda way".
I think that now that the MDX has been significantly redesigned and there are other differentiators (SH-AWD,etc) Honda will be able to add those things that are missing from the Pilot in the next redesign. It's entirely ridiculous that you can't get factory Navi and RES in the same vehicle like most of the competition. |
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