| gauchobass |
Do you think that this post made by jdeanski here in this forum is discriminatory?
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Gays, like any other minority should not be discriminated because of their sexual preference, however marriage is a tradition between a man and a women as old as time itself. I see no problems with extending the legal protections of a committed couple to a pair of gays, just make it a legal agreement but don't call it marriage.
Being gay is contrary to the laws of nature, it should be considered as a disability, but it does happen through no fault of their own.
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| BubbleSparkxx |
JDeanski's quoted statements are alot of things, but I don't believe discriminatory is one of them.
The way he defines and refers to homosexual is flawed on so many different levels - as well as condescending and deeply insulting. It is an intolerant and ignorant statement and belief. It is completely unaccepting and disgustingly self centered viewpoint - that is unfortunately shared by many of his ilk (that is - Born Again Right Wing Christian Neo Cons).
But is it discriminatory? Not by the definition of discriminatory - but it certainly is inflammatory and implicates "discriminatory" behavior. |
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| mgorbsk |
| I'd vote if you had a third category "who gives a crap." |
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| fjwagner |
| marriage is between a man and a woman. No legal benefits should be given to a gay couple. However, I would not call it a disability. Many states spoke in the last election. They may have voted for liberals, but referendums were more conservative in their outcomes. |
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| N_Jay |
Typical bad survey.
There are six independent, though related thoughts in his post.
I see two that are clearly "discriminating", however only one of them that could be considered in the commonly misused negative connotation of the word.
Quick definitions (discriminatory)
adjective: manifesting partiality (Example: "A discriminatory tax")
adjective: containing or implying a slight or showing prejudice (Example: "Discriminatory attitudes and practices")
adjective: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand
adjective: capable of making fine distinctions
(and yes, for those who wish to say that I edit the definitions; this IS the complete "quick definition" from Onelook.com) |
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| ramirami |
I can understand the first part of his statement...however
Being gay is contrary to the laws of nature, it should be considered as a disability is just sad and pathetic |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
I can understand the first part of his statement...however
Being gay is contrary to the laws of nature, it should be considered as a disability is just sad and pathetic
I have never heard it phrased that way, but I do understand where he is coming from.(Now because I said I "understand", some will interpret that as I "agree") |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I have never heard it phrased that way, but I do understand where he is coming from.(Now because I said I "understand", some will interpret that as I "agree")
I have no doubts that you do understand him. |
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| ramirami |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I have never heard it phrased that way, but I do understand where he is coming from.(Now because I said I "understand", some will interpret that as I "agree")
whats with the hidden color!!!! |
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| krygny |
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Originally posted by ramirami
I can understand the first part of his statement...however
Being gay is contrary to the laws of nature, it should be considered as a disability is just sad and pathetic
EVERYTHING is a "disability", "disorder", "syndrome" or "clinical condition".
Ever hear of Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD)?. It's a form of depression people get when the days get shorter and the weather turns colder in the Fall. If you suffer from this condition you should seek medical, and probably psychiatric, attention immediately. You are sick. Sick, SICK SICK!!
I $hit you not. So, they get a little bummed out because Summer's over, therefore, they suffer from a "disorder".
(Sorry for the thread drift.)
Anyways, why are there so many people who object so strongly to what other people do, even though it has no practical impact on them? To paraphrase ...
"I don't have an SUV, I don't want an SUV, and I don't want anybody else to have an SUV."
"I don't have a gun, I don't want a gun, and I don't want anybody else to have a gun."
"I don't smoke, I don't want to smoke, and I don't want anybody else to smoke"
(Add your own here.) |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
whats with the hidden color!!!!
Just having fun.
P.S. Did you ever listed to the Dennis Prager show I provided the linked to? |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by krygny
EVERYTHING is a "disability", "disorder", "syndrome" or "clinical condition".
Ever hear of Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD)?. It's a form of depression people get when the days get shorter and the weather turns colder in the Fall. If you suffer from this condition you should seek medical, and probably psychiatric, attention immediately. You are sick. Sick, SICK SICK!!
I $hit you not. So, they get a little bummed out because Summer's over, therefore, they suffer from a "disorder".
(Sorry for the thread drift.)
Anyways, why are there so many people who object so strongly to what other people do, even though it has no practical impact on them? To paraphrase ...
"I don't have an SUV, I don't want an SUV, and I don't want anybody else to have an SUV."
"I don't have a gun, I don't want a gun, and I don't want anybody else to have a gun."
"I don't smoke, I don't want to smoke, and I don't want anybody else to smoke"
(Add your own here.)
Sure, that's why I would like to know in which way gay marriage would affect people who has nothing to do with that marriage.
What do I care if a man gets married to another man or a woman to another woman, that doesnt affect my rights to get married with a woman.
Its just pure ridiculous extreme right wing religious intolerance,from people not accepting anything that is different from them, or maybe too afraid of their own sexuality.
I bet that Jdeansky or N_jay would never be friends with a man who is gay. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I have never heard it phrased that way, but I do understand where he is coming from.(Now because I said I "understand", some will interpret that as I "agree")
Please allow me point out something very important that I believe some of you have misread. I DID NOT say being gay is a disability. I said it should be CONSIDERED as such.
Somewhere in the Bible there is a statement about "going forth and multiplying". The task of reproduction in necessary for the survival of the species and requires a male and a female. Two guys can't reproduce nor can two females. Sure there are a couple of aberrations in nature but they don't apply to human beings. Being gay is not the norm but it's not their fault, due to a quirk of nature their brains aren't wired in a normal way, that's what I'm trying to get across. |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Please allow me point out something very important that I believe some of you have misread. I DID NOT say being gay is a disability. I said it should be CONSIDERED as such.
Somewhere in the Bible there is a statement about "going forth and multiplying". The task of reproduction in necessary for the survival of the species and requires a male and a female. Two guys can't reproduce nor can two females. Sure there are a couple of aberrations in nature but they don't apply to human beings. Being gay is not the norm but it's not their fault, due to a quirk of nature their brains aren't wired in a normal way, that's what I'm trying to get across.
Well. you dont seem to accept that there are a lot of people who dont believe neither in god and the bible. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Well. you dont seem to accept that there are a lot of people who dont believe neither in god and the bible.
You just don't get the point, do you.......... It's a law of NATURE that the Bible quotes. If a species is to SURVIVE it needs to propagate, and I'm sorry but two guys or two women can't make babies by themselves. |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Being gay is not the norm but it's not their fault, due to a quirk of nature their brains aren't wired in a normal way, that's what I'm trying to get across.
I hope you realized the stuff that you say, I mean Hitler thought he was right as well, making a theory kind of similar as the one you have.
I cant believe that you and your other fellas here are so afraid and insecure with yourself that the only way the feel confident with yourself is always calling people something, either gays or what ever comes across.
Pick up a psychology book my friend, dont be so scared.
By the way
Being white trash is a disability? |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
You just don't get the point, do you.......... It's a law of NATURE that the Bible quotes. If a species is to SURVIVE it needs to propagate, and I'm sorry but two guys or two women can't make babies by themselves.
I dont care what the bible says, its a nice fairy tale though.
How many couples are married and they decide not to have kids. What are you gonna do, have them divorced? |
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| fjwagner |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
I bet that Jdeansky or N_jay would never be friends with a man who is gay.
Add me to the list. And gay couples should not get benefits either. I will be friendly, but not friends. |
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| Scoobs |
| People have been doing the dirty deed long before marriage came along. Marriage, as you understand it, is not "as old as time itself ". The best way to ensure the survival of the species is to "go forth and multiply" with as many members of the opposite sex as possible.:2: |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
I bet that Jdeansky or N_jay would never be friends with a man who is gay.
What's the problem with that? I just watch my back (sides).:2: |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
I dont care what the bible says, its a nice fairy tale though.
How many couples are married and they decide not to have kids. What are you gonna do, have them divorced?
I really don't understand why you can't get it. My argument isn't about the Bible and it isn't about marriage. It's about reproduction to continue the species. (maybe propogate was too big of a word for you). |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
I really don't understand why you can't get it. My argument isn't about the Bible and it isn't about marriage. It's about reproduction to continue the species. (maybe propogate was too big of a word for you).
I am starting to believe there are a lot of similarities between you and N_Jay. Is there something that we don't know? I mean you guys are just like eachother and support eachother in this forum very much.
To me that is a Gay oriented relationship.
Please confess to us and to your imaginary friend god. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
I am starting to believe there are a lot of similarities between you and N_Jay. Is there something that we don't know? I mean you guys are just like eachother and support eachother in this forum very much.
To me that is a Gay oriented relationship.
Please confess to us and to your imaginary friend god.
Looks like we've reached the point where you realize what my thesis has been but now you feel too foolish to admit it so you resort to a little mud slinging.
And by the way, proper grammar would dictate that the "g" in God is capitalized. And that has nothing to do with your beliefs, but then again you chose to capitalize the "g" in gay...................... |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
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I bet that Jdeansky or N_jay would never be friends with a man who is gay.
Is isn't it interesting how the "tolerant left" is so judgemntal about others.
Seems counter-intuitive, sort of biased and prejudiced, almost hypocritical, if you ask me. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Well. you dont seem to accept that there are a lot of people who dont believe neither in god and the bible.
And you equally don't seem to accept that there are a lot of people who do! :rolleyes: |
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| gauchobass |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Looks like we've reached the point where you realize what my thesis has been but now you feel too foolish to admit it so you resort to a little mud slinging.
And by the way, proper grammar would dictate that the "g" in God is capitalized. And that has nothing to do with your beliefs, but then again you chose to capitalize the "g" in gay......................
If you are happy feeling that about your thesis, go for it. The capital g for god doesn't work for me, even if the grammar says so. In my world there isn't such thing as god, therefore that word doesn't exist.
It doesn't matter how aggressive you want to appear here, you are definitely showing your Gay side here. If you would have a minimum knowledge about Psychology you would understand what I am talking about. By the way, Its nothing to be embarresed about. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Pick up a psychology book my friend, dont be so scared.
I have. But you better be careful about the year. The definition of "normal" is always in flux, and what today is not considered a deviation from normal, was so in that past, and only the future will know the next definition.
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
By the way
Being white trash is a disability?
Ooops, being biased, prejudiced and judgemental again.
Do your liberal friends know you are so closed minded? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
I am starting to believe there are a lot of similarities between you and N_Jay.
You don't read well? Do you?
I find more differences than similarities.
Fo course, I do pride myself in being 'discriminating'. (Remember when that was a positive trait?)
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Is there something that we don't know? I mean you guys are just like eachother and support eachother in this forum very much.
To me that is a Gay oriented relationship.
Please confess to us and to your imaginary friend god.
I always find it "interesting" when someone professing a liberal point of view, supporting gay rights and freedoms, uses the acquisitions (or subtle references) as in insult.
It is like the "Not that there is anything wrong with that" line people tag on to the end.
It rings like the old "Sure I have black friends" line.
But, I guess that type of thinking is acceptable from the left (just not by the left when from the right). |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
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It doesn't matter how aggressive you want to appear here, you are definitely showing your Gay side here. If you would have a minimum knowledge about Psychology you would understand what I am talking about. By the way, Its nothing to be embarresed (sic) about.
There you go again.
How can you be so prejudiced?
But don't worry, "Its nothing to be embarrassed about".
LOL, just like I said, the old "Not that there is anything wrong with it" line!:4: |
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| gauchobass |
N_jay:
You are having a full chat with yourself!! Are you bored?
Wow, like 10 posts in a row! |
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| gauchobass |
quote:Originally posted by gauchobass
Pick up a psychology book my friend, dont be so scared.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by N_Jay
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I have. But you better be careful about the year. The definition of "normal" is always in flux, and what today is not considered a deviation from normal, was so in that past, and only the future will know the next definition.
N_Jay,
I was asking JD to pick up a P. book.
See how you assume that it is for you too.
You are making my theory about you two stronger |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
N_jay:
You are having a full chat with yourself!! Are you bored?
Wow, like 10 posts in a row!
WOW, you also don't seem to count well either.
It was 6 posts in response to 6 of yours.
Two of those you quote me or mention me.
and one is just a note to all about an interesting view on the subject.
(Not that I'm keeping score, as you are the one who brought up the issue). |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
(and yes, for those who wish to say that I edit the definitions; this IS the complete "quick definition" from Onelook.com)
Hi, N_Jay. Whatever happened to that Oscar Wilde discussion? Did someone delete the thread? If you're referring to that discussion, I think you misunderstood, but it's no biggie. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
N_Jay,
I was asking JD to pick up a P. book.
See how you assume that it is for you too.
You are making my theory about you two stronger [/B]
Sorry if this breaks your view of the world, but a forum is a "group" discussion, not a personal conversation. Anyone may respond to any comment. There is a PM feature if you care to ask someone a direct question and you do not want others to comment.
As for your "theory", you have obviously collected very little data, so I would call it a childish wild guess, more than a theory. :rolleyes: |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Do you think that this post made by jdeanski here in this forum is discriminatory?
Is this poll in response to my statement that jdeanski's view was misrepresented? If so, I was referring to the statement that jdeanski supposedly didn't care about over 600,000 Iraqis killed. With respect to jdeanski's views on homosexuality, or his relationship with N_Jay, or the existence of God, and Chosen People ... well, I'm not sure how to contribute to another thread that has already gone South rather quickly. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by robrecht
Hi, N_Jay. Whatever happened to that Oscar Wilde discussion? Did someone delete the thread? If you're referring to that discussion, I think you misunderstood, but it's no biggie.
I'm not sure, take look at the Missing Posts thread.
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/sh...&threadid=16811
Do you remember who started that thread, as they are the most likely one to delete it.
I would think an admin or moderator would have said something, and a database error usually leave errors all over not just in one thread. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by robrecht
Is this poll in response to my statement that jdeanski's view was misrepresented? If so, I was referring to the statement that jdeanski supposedly didn't care about over 600,000 Iraqis killed. With respect to jdeanski's views on homosexuality, or his relationship with N_Jay, or the existence of God, and Chosen People ... well, I'm not sure how to contribute to another thread that has already gone South rather quickly.
I think the poll is GB's response to JD's comment.
It seemed to trigger him into "Gay Defender" mode, and he has brought out all the cliche answers (to all the cliche issues). |
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| mattchalmers |
As a Centrist, I think I should respond to this thread, even though it is mostly made up of childish and poorly thought out posts.
For background, I have voted Democratic recently, so no Neo-Con responses, please. I am not a fan of GWB, but I am also no Nancy Pelosi disciple.
Here is my view. The concept of marriage is Biblical, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Whether Old Testament (Torah), New Testabment, Koran, etc. It is a biblical concept that became a religious concept. Why in the world would a secular group like the homosexuals in the US want to embrace a biblical concept? Civil Unions make sense for homosexuals, marriage does not. I actually wish that my wife and I could have received a civil union contract instead of a marriage license from our state government.
Also, there is a requirement for a man and a woman to make a baby, even if you borrow someone else's semen and inseminate someone else. That seems basic, but it also gets overlooked in these arguments. It is NATURAL for a man to have intercourse with a woman to make a baby. Whether that was created or evolved, that is the process. People that believe in evolution should be against insemination and other ALTERNATIVE forms of conception because if reproduction is important, humans will evolve and not need separate genders anymore. |
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| robrecht |
I believe Hindus (and members of other non-biblical religions) get married and some derive the word "marriage" from Sanskrit or earlier Indo-European origins. On the other hand, members of various "biblical" relgions differ substantially on the nature of marriage, with some liberal Jews and Christians (not sure about liberal Muslims) readily accepting gay marriage.
Here's a definition by George Bernard Shaw:
"When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part." |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by mattchalmers
As a Centrist, I think I should respond to this thread, even though it is mostly made up of childish and poorly thought out posts.
For background, I have voted Democratic recently, so no Neo-Con responses, please. I am not a fan of GWB, but I am also no Nancy Pelosi disciple.
Here is my view. The concept of marriage is Biblical, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Whether Old Testament (Torah), New Testabment, Koran, etc. It is a biblical concept that became a religious concept. Why in the world would a secular group like the homosexuals in the US want to embrace a biblical concept? Civil Unions make sense for homosexuals, marriage does not. I actually wish that my wife and I could have received a civil union contract instead of a marriage license from our state government.
Also, there is a requirement for a man and a woman to make a baby, even if you borrow someone else's semen and inseminate someone else. That seems basic, but it also gets overlooked in these arguments. It is NATURAL for a man to have intercourse with a woman to make a baby. Whether that was created or evolved, that is the process. People that believe in evolution should be against insemination and other ALTERNATIVE forms of conception because if reproduction is important, humans will evolve and not need separate genders anymore.
I mostly agree (Except for the last sentence, as I can not quite figure out what you are saying) |
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| mattchalmers |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I mostly agree (Except for the last sentence, as I can not quite figure out what you are saying)
Point of the last statement was to say that the only way to create human life is with one man and one woman. Artificial insemination still requires a man to donate sperm. For those that believe homosexuality is "natural" they should not support artificial insemination since that tacitly admits that homosexuality is not normal. They should instead wait for themselves to "evolve" so they do not need formerly known as "normal" help to procreate. The women would wait until they evolved into a-sexuality and the men would wait until one of them grew a uterus. |
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| jonaz |
quote:
It's a law of NATURE that the Bible quotes.
Its not just the Bible, but the Quran and the Torah. All three agree that homosexuality is wrong. This is truely why one of the many reasons why Muslims do not want democracy in the Middle East. With democracy comes homosexuality, pornography, pre marital relations, etc. I have gay friends (who doesnt in California), but I disagree with their lifestyles. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by gauchobass
Well. you dont seem to accept that there are a lot of people who dont believe neither in god and the bible.
Gauch and Bubbles pardon me for asking you these questions so directly but after reading some of you comments, do you accept the teachings of the Bible? How about this more broad question? Do either of you believe in God? |
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| Preludetundra |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
Gauch and Bubbles pardon me for asking you these questions so directly but after reading some of you comments, do you accept the teachings of the Bible? How about this more broad question? Do either of you believe in God?
You never replied in another thread. But if you believe we won the war in Nam and are winning in Iraq you must believe in the tooth fairy. |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by Preludetundra
... But if you believe we won the war in Nam and are winning in Iraq you must believe in the tooth fairy.
Funny post, PT
--Moe |
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| N_Jay |
I think how our language has been twisted by PC concepts.
Of course a statement is discriminatory!
If it were not, it would be worthless.
The ability to discriminate is critical to rational thought.
Can you imagine a statement that did not have a meaning any different than any other statement? :rolleyes:
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by Preludetundra
You never replied in another thread. But if you believe we won the war in Nam and are winning in Iraq you must believe in the tooth fairy.
I believe in the bravery of our young men and women in the military and how they have prevailed time and time again.............
I've answered your question in the origional thread. I'm very tired tonight and it wasn't my most elequent post but I hope you get my meanings. |
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| Red_N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
I think how our language has been twisted by PC concepts.
Of course a statement is discriminatory!
If it were not, it would be worthless.
The ability to discriminate is critical to rational thought.
Can you imagine a statement that did not have a meaning any different than any other statement? :rolleyes:
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Exactly! Exactly!!!!
Outstanding!
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