| N_Jay |
http://www.slysoft.com/en/
Anyone use products from this company.
I am trying to make backups of the kids games and movies.
I am getting tired of having to fix scratched disks. |
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| 2muchfun |
| I use 3 of their products and have been very happy. I've been backing up CDs and DVDs with their software for about a year now. they have free updates almost too often. Good stuff :4: |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
| i've been using dvd shrink for years. highly recommended and its free. google it and enjoy. |
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| Josey92 |
DVD Shrink on the PC side and FastDVD for the Mac side.
Have to admit that the Shrink is much faster once you learn to use it. FastDVD is pretty brainless to use. |
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| CMasten |
| Shrink has not been updated in over a year and a half, wont work on any of the new Sony Arcos stuff and wont work on games. It was the defacto application in its day though, and you can still use its compression if you like it, by running AnyDVD to break the encryption. Lots of people use it that way. CloneDVD2 is much faster though, with AnyDVD as a combination you can rip and burn (with about 80% compression) to a 4.7 gig Disk on an 8x burner in under 20 minutes start to finish.. |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
| i've heard that shrink has issues with some newer discs. i haven't "backed up" discs since my blockbuster subsscription lapsed. evrything is way more convenient with newsgroups / usenet *wink* |
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| N_Jay |
I have received lots of suggestions (from this and other forum),.
Everyone seems to have a favorite, but no one has anything bad to say about CloneDVD/AnyDVD, so with after a quick test of the trial version, and the price going up for the new year, I bit.
Thanks all for the advice and information. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i've heard that shrink has issues with some newer discs. i haven't "backed up" discs since my blockbuster subsscription lapsed. evrything is way more convenient with newsgroups / usenet *wink*
Well, more information that helps me "respect" your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues.:4:
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| BubbleSparkxx |
kettle, pot, black.
you're the one requesting info on multiple forums about circumventing DMCA, buddy. so how about we hold each others hands while we watch you break the law. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
kettle, pot, black.
you're the one requesting info on multiple forums about circumventing DMCA, buddy. so how about we hold each others hands while we watch you break the law.
To the best of my knowledge DMCA has not been tested in court to disallow otherwise legal copying under "Fair Use". If you know otherwise please tell me.
Copying for personal use of legally owned property is quite a bit different than copying of non-owned (rented) property.
As presented in a long discussion on another forum, the current wording on the copyright notice disallows "Unauthorized Reproduction", not "Reproduction".
Being a layperson, I have the reasonable ability to use the established common principles of "Fair Use" to determine what I consider authorized or unauthorized reproduction, up to the point that the copyright holder(or case law) clarifies it.
The copying of rented material falls outside ANY common interpretation of legal copying.
So, while copying encrypted material prior to case law being developed might be considered "gray", in the black and white eyes of the law, copying rented property is BLACK under all possible rationalizations.
Sorry BS; but your analogy is "BS"! |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
To the best of my knowledge DMCA has not been tested in court to disallow otherwise legal copying under "Fair Use". If you know otherwise please tell me.
Copying for personal use of legally owned property is quite a bit different than copying of non-owned (rented) property.
As presented in a long discussion on another forum, the current wording on the copyright notice disallows "Unauthorized Reproduction", not "Reproduction".
Being a layperson, I have the reasonable ability to use the established common principles of "Fair Use" to determine what I consider authorized or unauthorized reproduction, up to the point that the copyright holder(or case law) clarifies it.
The copying of rented material falls outside ANY common interpretation of legal copying.
So, while copying encrypted material prior to case law being developed might be considered "gray", in the black and white eyes of the law, copying rented property is BLACK under all possible rationalizations.
Sorry BS; but your analogy is "BS"!
eh - whatever lets you sleep at nite.
RIAA and MPAA both disagree with your legal rights to do anything that deals with ripping the information stored on your kids games and their baby einstein movies. to even "back up" self owned dvds regardless of usage us illegal according to DMCA b/c you need to break the copy protection scheme that the info is encrypted in. Layman or not (or your choice of ignoring the understanding of the legal ramifications), when you break the law, you're still breaking the law.
honestly, i could give a crap what you want to back up, i was just trying to help out. if you prefer me not to respond to any of your posts, i'd be more than happy to, dickus.
but the minute you're ripping any commercial dvd with encryption, you bet your sweet ass that you are in violation of DMCA. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
eh - whatever lets you sleep at nite.
RIAA and MPAA both disagree with your legal rights to do anything that deals with ripping the information stored on your kids games and their baby einstein movies. to even "back up" self owned dvds regardless of usage us illegal according to DMCA b/c you need to break the copy protection scheme that the info is encrypted in. Layman or not (or your choice of ignoring the understanding of the legal ramifications), when you break the law, you're still breaking the law.
honestly, i could give a crap what you want to back up, i was just trying to help out. if you prefer me not to respond to any of your posts, i'd be more than happy to, dickus.
but the minute you're ripping any commercial dvd with encryption, you bet your sweet ass that you are in violation of DMCA.
If you care please explain the meaning of this provision:
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Section 1201 also says that:
it will not affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use
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Notice how "fair use" is mentioned directly, yet "theft" (What you indirectly implied you were doing) is not.
If you truly don't see or understand the difference, then you are certainly the "dickus" in this discussion.
Not to be confused with: http://www.flyarmy.org/K10534.HTM |
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| ottopilot |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
http://www.slysoft.com/en/
Anyone use products from this company.
I am trying to make backups of the kids games and movies.
I am getting tired of having to fix scratched disks.
I use the AnyDVD just to get around the Sony encryption. But use DVD Decryptor to rip DL discs and then use DVD Shrink to lighten the size to fit single layer discs.
Check out videohelp.com for more info on backing up your dvds. |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
ok N_Jay- let me spell this out for you.
you buy a commercial dvd with copyrighted material on the disc.
that copyrighted material is ENCRYPTED on the disc.
you, as the owner of the disc can do almost anything you like to the disc. play it in your computer, play it in a dvd player, use it as a frisbee, put it in a microwave and watch it spark up.
but the minute you even attempt to rip or DECRYPT the copyrighted material, regardless of your "fair use" interpretation of the law, you are in violation of DMCA. You are not allowed, by law, to DECRYPT, or BREAK the copyprotection on any Dora the Explorer discs.
let the issue drop - technically you're wrong. in the eyes of the MPAA/RIAA, you'd be legally guilty.
dickus. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
ok N_Jay- let me spell this out for you.
you buy a commercial dvd with copyrighted material on the disc.
that copyrighted material is ENCRYPTED on the disc.
you, as the owner of the disc can do almost anything you like to the disc. play it in your computer, play it in a dvd player, use it as a frisbee, put it in a microwave and watch it spark up.
but the minute you even attempt to rip or DECRYPT the copyrighted material, regardless of your "fair use" interpretation of the law, you are in violation of DMCA. You are not allowed, by law, to DECRYPT, or BREAK the copyprotection on any Dora the Explorer discs.
let the issue drop - technically you're wrong. in the eyes of the MPAA/RIAA, you'd be legally guilty.
dickus.
1) MPAA and RIAA would be the plaintiffs, and not the legal determining body, so what is "in their eyes" is irrelevant until they have some case law behind them.
2) By lay interpretation of the DMCA, any copying of encrypted or coded works is illegal.
3) It has not been determined if the provisions of DMCA in #2 above are legal on their own merits, since to the best of my knowledge there is no case law to support them. (I acknowledge that this does not make them illegal by default.)
4. Other than using the term "gray" to define where DMCA prohibited but otherwise "fair use" copying, I have not said ANYTHING in this thread that is (to use your term) "technically . . . wrong".
5. My comment concerning your (implied) copying was specifically in regard to acts which fall outside "fair use", and are therefore illegal with or without DMCA.
So, as I see it, unless you are an attorney with experience in Intellectual Property law, and you would like to refute a SINGLE POINT I HAVE MADE, YOU, and not I, are WRONG!:4: :4:
Now, I will let the issue drop
(Unless you want to continue to defend your incorrect position.
If so, please provide some SOLID information, and not just your unsupported assertions.) |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
LOL - you love being a bully. you insist on having the last word, and bullying your point home, regardless how outlandish your logic.
there is no difference in a "lay" and a "legal" interpretation of DMCA. To break the copyprotection on a dvd is to break the copy protection on a dvd.
the data you intend to "back up" is legally protected by DMCA and copy right protected by CSS. You seem to finally agree with me that you would be in clear violation of DMCA when you are copying encrypted / coded works. that was my point in this whole discussion - So why are you arguing with me? is it so to satisfy the bully in you?
And when I wrote technically, it was meant in the TECHNOLOGICAL sense - as in, you rip encrypted / coded material, and you are in violation of DMCA.
I guess the MPAA / RIAA is meaningless until they knock on your door with a subpoena for the "backups" you made.
now are you going to try to keep kicking sand in my face or are you going to go break some laws when you get your "back up software"?
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
1) MPAA and RIAA would be the plaintiffs, and not the legal determining body, so what is "in their eyes" is irrelevant until they have some case law behind them.
2) By lay interpretation of the DMCA, any copying of encrypted or coded works is illegal.
3) It has not been determined if the provisions of DMCA in #2 above are legal on their own merits, since to the best of my knowledge there is no case law to support them. (I acknowledge that this does not make them illegal by default.)
4. Other than using the term "gray" to define where DMCA prohibited but otherwise "fair use" copying, I have not said ANYTHING in this thread that is (to use your term) "technically . . . wrong".
5. My comment concerning your (implied) copying was specifically in regard to acts which fall outside "fair use", and are therefore illegal with or without DMCA.
So, as I see it, unless you are an attorney with experience in Intellectual Property law, and you would like to refute a SINGLE POINT I HAVE MADE, YOU, and not I, are WRONG!:4: :4:
Now, I will let the issue drop
(Unless you want to continue to defend your incorrect position.
If so, please provide some SOLID information, and not just your unsupported assertions.)
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
LOL - you love being a bully. you insist on having the last word, and bullying your point home, regardless how outlandish your logic.
there is no difference in a "lay" and a "legal" interpretation of DMCA. To break the copyprotection on a dvd is to break the copy protection on a dvd.
the data you intend to "back up" is legally protected by DMCA and copy right protected by CSS. You seem to finally agree with me that you would be in clear violation of DMCA when you are copying encrypted / coded works. that was my point in this whole discussion - So why are you arguing with me? is it so to satisfy the bully in you?
And when I wrote technically, it was meant in the TECHNOLOGICAL sense - as in, you rip encrypted / coded material, and you are in violation of DMCA.
I guess the MPAA / RIAA is meaningless until they knock on your door with a subpoena for the "backups" you made.
now are you going to try to keep kicking sand in my face or are you going to go break some laws when you get your "back up software"?
Whatever.
My comment to you was about your copying rented movies.
If you want to continue to believe that its all black and white with DMCA, and there is no difference between "fair use" and other copying, then have fun.
Personally i hope they sort out DMCA because by my reading it has internal conflicts, mostly around the fact it states "fair use" is not affected, but then outlaws "all" reproduction of encrypted works.
How do you resolve that without case law? |
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| 2muchfun |
| Why do you even argue with NJAY? He knows it all ... but you didnt know that did you... but he did :rolleyes: |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by 2muchfun
Why do you even argue with NJAY? He knows it all ... but you didnt know that did you... but he did :rolleyes:
Hey, I did not start this part of the thread, and I invited corrections, which so far BS has not been able to make.
So, EXACTLY where am I wrong in this thread? |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.
He knows he's breaking the law if he even attempts to rip a dvd. he's even admitted it so in his posts, yet he keeps claiming that he's doing no wrong.
he's just a cyber bully that insists on getting his way - on getting the very final word of this issue. he enjoys bullying people into silence or submission. and thats something that I will not allow him to do to me.
so n_jay, care to share with us if you've gone ahead and "backed up" your kids dvd? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.
He knows he's breaking the law if he even attempts to rip a dvd. he's even admitted it so in his posts, yet he keeps claiming that he's doing no wrong.
he's just a cyber bully that insists on getting his way - on getting the very final word of this issue. he enjoys bullying people into silence or submission. and thats something that I will not allow him to do to me.
so n_jay, care to share with us if you've gone ahead and "backed up" your kids dvd?
Most certainly have.
If you care please explain the meaning of this provision:
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Section 1201 also says that:
it will not affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use
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Glad you enjoy copying rented movies! |
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| john802 |
quote:
Originally posted by CMasten
Shrink has not been updated in over a year and a half, wont work on any of the new Sony Arcos stuff and wont work on games. It was the defacto application in its day though, and you can still use its compression if you like it, by running AnyDVD to break the encryption. Lots of people use it that way. CloneDVD2 is much faster though, with AnyDVD as a combination you can rip and burn (with about 80% compression) to a 4.7 gig Disk on an 8x burner in under 20 minutes start to finish..
I've been using RipIt4Me in combination w/ Dvd Decrypter & Dvd Shrink to backup my Dvd movie collection. All the softwares mention are free to download. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
i'm just enjoying bristling him because he got caught with his pants down and he knows it.
I guess I see it a little differently.
I see you trying to justify your theft by equating it to fair use copying.
Seems you went on the offensive when I made the comment devalues your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues.
Remember, character is what you do when no one is looking. |
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| BubbleSparkxx |
lol - you bully - you can't stand the fact that I'm right for calling you out to be the criminal that you are.
regardless for whatever provisions you want to use to "defend" your "right" to circumvent the copy protection scheme, that still makes you prosecutable in a court of law.
be a man - admit it. And we'd all have some respect for you, rather than snicker at your feeble attempts to keep up your Bully motif. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by BubbleSparkxx
lol - you bully - you can't stand the fact that I'm right for calling you out to be the criminal that you are.
regardless for whatever provisions you want to use to "defend" your "right" to circumvent the copy protection scheme, that still makes you prosecutable in a court of law.
be a man - admit it. And we'd all have some respect for you, rather than snicker at your feeble attempts to keep up your Bully motif.
Admit what?
First you accuse me of being "wrong", but you can not point to anything I have presented that was "wrong". (Including already "admitting" what you seem to want "admitted" again)
Second, You are the one who is indisputably violating the letter and the intent of copyright laws with or without regard to DMCA.
Third, you were silent on the issue until I pointed out how it reflects on the value of your position on legal/ethical/moral/political issues. (I seem to have hit a hot button)
Please answer at least ONE of these issues. (Or admit you are just being a$$hole, as is obvious) |
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| ramirami |
| so at the current time what do people prefer to use? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
so at the current time what do people prefer to use?
http://www.slysoft.com/en/
It seems to work well for the little I use it.
Worth the $$ just for fixing a few damaged disks. |
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| macphanatic |
| John802 has the right combination to backup most discs. |
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| sfhondapilot |
| slysoft's anydvd and dvdshrink. |
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| switch |
| Anyone use a single program to rip their DVDs to an iPod video? The only way I've found to do it is to extract the main movie from the DVD with one program, and then use another to convert that to MP4 format. |
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