| Pilot vs. Outlook, Arcadia and CX-9?
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| Stever |
I was really in the market for the Pilot, 07 EXL-Navi, but held off due to the incentives and wanted to see if Feb 6th changed anything. Well in the meantime I have run into the Arcadia, Outlook and the CX-9. I have not had a chance to drive any of them as of now
All 3 appear to be larger than the Pilot and similar equipped models price in-line with the EXL-navi. At this point I can get a deal on the Pilot, making the others run about 4-5 grand more, but sticker prices are close. All 3 have either 18 or 20 inch wheels and look much more aggressive than the Pilot. The interior is very nice as well. Anyone have a chance to drive one yet? I know they have a little more hp as well. |
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| GreenMachine |
The Acadia and Outlook look pretty nice and are substantially larger than the Pilot in terms of cargo volume, but just beware that you might the guinea pig for those first year problems with all new models. If you don’t need a car right now, wait and see when GM will offer rebates on them. You know they will… ;)
Haven’t really looked at the CX9.
The Pilot is rumored to be redesigned for the 2008 model even though time is getting short, and not much has surfaced to back this up. |
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| rlapid |
| i agree with greenmachine. the way i see it, these new crossovers may outperform and have better features than the current model pilot, but when the redesigned pilot is released, i'm sure it will be up to par, probably even better, than the arcadia, cx-9, outlook, and the new suzuki xl7. i'd say if you have the patience, wait for that new pilot. it will be worth it, even if it costs more than the current pilot. |
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| jdeanski |
| I saw an Arcadia on a dealer's lot last Sunday and pulled in to take a look. It was locked and the dealership closed but it looks bigger than the Pilot. The rear loading height was about 4 inches higher than the Pilot. Although this one had second row captain's chairs the Arcadia looked very nice. Actually it made my Pilot look very dated next to it. |
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| Stever |
I had a chance to drive the new CX-9 today. It is very nice, but it was the base model. They all have autostick and you lose most of the center console storage that you have in the Pilot. The acceleration seemed improved over the Pilot and it does make the Pilot look somewhat outdated.
I am looking at the CX-9 in the Grand Touring which comes with leather, memory seats, 20 inch wheels, Xenon, moonroof and Bose system. It stickered at around $35k, the dealer was willing to take off about $2k without negotiating. |
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| howdySA |
The Outlook, Acadia and CX-9 look okay... but they all seem rather derivative of a melted jellybean. But I'm sure that's to help with drag and fuel mileage. But what sort of turned me off on the GM products were the back ends. They have a minivan-like appearance which to me is sort of a turn off.
I had an '03 Trailblazer that I drove for work and though it drove well, fuel mileage was taxing and I had problems with electronics and the A/C that nearly made me go crazy. |
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| rocky |
| Going to be interesting to see how the Ford Freestyle update drives with its 3.5 liter 260hp and a normal transmission and new Taurus name. |
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| Sportymonk |
Yeah, I had a Impala. Luckily we kept just enough sanity to make it to the Honda dealer. Some folks loose their minds completely and keep buying GMs. :p
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Originally posted by howdySA
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I had an '03 Trailblazer that I drove for work and though it drove well, fuel mileage was taxing and I had problems with electronics and the A/C that nearly made me go crazy.
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| Stever |
| I liked the look of the Trailblazers when they were introduced, but they have horrible reviews. By brother has one and has no issues, but with the bad rep that they have I would not touch one. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by Stever
I liked the look of the Trailblazers when they were introduced, but they have horrible reviews. By brother has one and has no issues, but with the bad rep that they have I would not touch one.
It all comes down to your chances of getting a bad one. The Pilot has a reliability rating of about 55% greater than the average for it's class (right behind the V6 Highlander at 60%). The best vehicle in that class is the 4 cyl Highlander at 70% greater than average. The Trailblazer/Envoy are just below average. So while there are still many good Chevys, there are more bad ones for every good one compared to the Pilot. Even if you have troubles with one Pilot, the chances are still much greater that you will have a trouble free vehicle if you replace it with another one rather than a Chevy. |
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| pngator |
All:
We have owned our 2004 Pilot EX for over three years now. Great vehicle! The Pilot replace our Jeep Cherokee. At that time, we had a 2 1/2 year old and next month will be expecting our 2nd child.
Although we got the base 04 EX (cloth interior, no other upgrades), I have always felt that Honda can do just a little bit more with the standard options that it provides in the Pilot.
I am impressed with what GM has released with the Acadia and Outlook. The standard options it provides (basic common sense like fold down 2nd row seats for easy access to the third row, power liftgate, sunroof, and the additional cargo room) is what is drawing me. I do not want to go the minivan route. I hear that there may be a Chevy version of this CUV. I have never owned a GM brand. I drive an 03 Acura TL. We have been a Honda branded family off and on for the past 10 years.
I am eagerly awaiting the 08 Pilot. I hope that Honda has noticed the additional competition that has come on board with regard to CUVs.
Let's go HONDA...blow the others' socks off! |
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| Stever |
We are expecting our 3rd child in Sept which promted me to sell my wifes Audi and now look at the Pilot. We previously bought an 03 Odyssey new and do not want another minivan.
I agree with the options on the domestic cars as well as the CX-9. I do hope that Honda makes a little adjustment on the next model year design, but does anyone know if it will be 08? The Auto Show is currently going on in Chicago and I plan on attending Friday. I would think there would be a design for the Pilot if it was in the works. |
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| BillG |
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Originally posted by Stever
I do hope that Honda makes a little adjustment on the next model year design, but does anyone know if it will be 08? The Auto Show is currently going on in Chicago and I plan on attending Friday. I would think there would be a design for the Pilot if it was in the works.
I doubt Honda would show an '08 model at a show this early. I wouldn't expect to get much in the way of confirmation on teh 2008 until July or August this year.
Honda won't want to show it until they are very close shifting to production. Otherwise, it will just dry up sales on their current model. |
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| mkaresh |
Last time the Pilot appeared two years after the MDX and four after the minivan. That would make the next one a 2009, not a 2008.
I've driven and reviewed all of these. The Suzuki XL7 is packaged well and feels nimble because its narrower, but the interior is extremely cheap, much worse than the Grand Vitara from the same company.
The GM products are roomy and perform well considering their size. Far more room in the third row than in a Pilot, and sportier handling. But some interior bits are iffy, and it is the first year for them.
I conduct reliability research. I hope to have initial results for the Outlook in May, but August is more likely.
My Mazda CX-9 review
My Saturn Outlook review |
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| Stever |
| I just came back from the auto show and spoke with a Honda employee. He stated that the new Pilot will not come out until the fall of 2008 as a 2009 model. The current production will run until then. |
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| jdeanski |
| When I bought my 04 Pilot it's only real competitor was the Highlander but after comparing the Pilot was closer to my needs. Now we have a whole new ball game with a redesigned Toyota and the new GMC and Mazda. I hope Honda doesn't sit back on it's behind and say "we're Honda". That's what started GM's problems. Anyway it's good to see some real competitive vehicles emerge in this category. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
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Originally posted by jdeanski
I hope Honda doesn't sit back on it's behind and say "we're Honda". That's what started GM's problems. Anyway it's good to see some real competitive vehicles emerge in this category.
Doubtful. And maybe it makes financial sense for Honda to wait until some other CUV is at least rated above the Pilot.
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by jdeanski
When I bought my 04 Pilot it's only real competitor was the Highlander but after comparing the Pilot was closer to my needs. Now we have a whole new ball game with a redesigned Toyota and the new GMC and Mazda. I hope Honda doesn't sit back on it's behind and say "we're Honda". That's what started GM's problems. Anyway it's good to see some real competitive vehicles emerge in this category.
Honda has been restricting pilot content in order to justify the price differential of the MDX. Now that the MDX has more features typical of Luxury vehicles (power tailgate/etc) and features that like will likely stay specific to Acura (SH-AWD/etc), Honda should be able to start offering more of the features that all their competition offers. A good example would be both factory Navi and RES available in the same vehicle. |
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| mkaresh |
They ought to make the next one closer to the GMC in size. This would positioin the MDX as sporty, and the Pilot as the family hauler. Then they could go ahead and make as much content as people want available on the Pilot.
Differentiating models by the features available on them is ridiculous. The key difference should be the basic vehicle, not features. |
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| pngator |
I just got back from a local GMC dealership.
They had two base (SLE) models in stock with 18'' wheels on their base model; had my 5 year old daughter with me as well. Did not test drive...not enough time.
The Acadia does not look too big from the outside. However, once inside, it looks very spacious (I had the similar feeling when I first sat in the Pilot). The 2nd row bench seating is well designed and the adjustable seating in the 2nd row is a big plus, along with the Smartslide feature. The third row has ample leg room for an adult (I am 5' 10'') and for kids it is perfect.
I truly hope that Honda makes the next Pilot a "true" competitor. I want a CUV with minivan space. Acadia is it right now...
Again...let's go HONDA!! |
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| MK23666 |
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Originally posted by pngator
The Acadia does not look too big from the outside. However, once inside, it looks very spacious (I had the similar feeling when I first sat in the Pilot). The 2nd row bench seating is well designed and the adjustable seating in the 2nd row is a big plus, along with the Smartslide feature. The third row has ample leg room for an adult (I am 5' 10'') and for kids it is perfect.
I truly hope that Honda makes the next Pilot a "true" competitor. I want a CUV with minivan space. Acadia is it right now...
Again...let's go HONDA!!
Couldn't have said it better, but I'd imagine that they would have to get rid of the Ody if that were done. Seeing how they shrank the utility of the CRV (probably to push you into the Element)we might get a slightly smaller Pilot next time out too. |
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| rocky |
I think Honda has heard enough from us all to be convinced that a SUminiVan is the way its going to go.
Having just ridden in my FIL's 06 (I must take a picture of the two together) there are many subtle differences between the two MY that clearly show Honda is taking its product "upmarket" with better quality trim etc |
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| mkaresh |
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Originally posted by MK23666
Couldn't have said it better, but I'd imagine that they would have to get rid of the Ody if that were done. Seeing how they shrank the utility of the CRV (probably to push you into the Element)we might get a slightly smaller Pilot next time out too.
Two different price points. They could charge more for an Ody-sized Pilot. |
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| BillG |
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Originally posted by MK23666
Couldn't have said it better, but I'd imagine that they would have to get rid of the Ody if that were done. Seeing how they shrank the utility of the CRV (probably to push you into the Element)we might get a slightly smaller Pilot next time out too.
There is no way Honda would consider getting rid of the Odyssey. The Odyssey is a class leader and their best selling product in what they call their "truck" division in the US.
The Odyssey is Honda's #3 product, behind the Accord and Civic. (CR-V is #4 and the Pilot is #5).
Personally, I hope that Honda doesn't bloat up the Pilot trying to chase bigger vehicles. I find the current size meets my needs right now. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
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Originally posted by BillG
Personally, I hope that Honda doesn't bloat up the Pilot trying to chase bigger vehicles. I find the current size meets my needs right now.
My thoughts exactly. If you need a Suburban, buy a Suburban (or a Yukon XL, or whatever they're calling it now...)
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by TheEaglePilot
My thoughts exactly. If you need a Suburban, buy a Suburban (or a Yukon XL, or whatever they're calling it now...)
Chris
Honda can't make it Suburban size because they don't have an engine big enough right now.
I think making the Pilot a foot longer with all other dimensions the same would maximize it's usefulness while still fitting in most garages. It would then be Ody sized and have another foot of cargo space behind the middle row. |
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| VettePilot |
I just took a quick look at the Outlook.
The Outlook:
It is slightly bigger, but it has more storage room and leg room.
The seats look like they would be more comfortable on a long drive.
The one I looked at had a front row moon-roof and a second row moon-roof.
The six speed auto transmission should make it get good fuel mileage.
The engine is more advanced: Continuously Variable Valve timing.
The Pilot:
For someone not wanting to maneuver a large vehicle, the Pilot is probably better.
I'm actually more impressed with how Honda made use of the smaller space. |
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| GreenMachine |
If the Pilot was a foot longer, it would be a very tight squeeze getting it into our garage.
IMO the size seems pretty good in its current design. If anything, add a few inches so the rear seat legroom can be increased. The front and second row are fine right now. The only other things they need to add to stay in front of the competition are more standard features (Honda's don't have options like GM & Toyota) and a better, more efficient powertrain. Note, I am not complaining about the current one because I like it a lot, but the competition all have more power and 6 speed autos available. |
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| howdySA |
Well with all the talk about the GM triad I decided to at least take a look on paper what the differences were with them and my '07 Pilot.
Edmunds.com has a way for buyers to compare vehicles, so, I compared them. I picked the Pilot versus the Saturn Outlook but I'm sure the other two GM variants are more or less the same...
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edm...&op=3&tab=specs
I didn't exactly find the GMs to be markedly improved really. They're better in some areas and still deficient in others to our Pilots especially in the interior space where a lot of discussion have been focused.
My .02 cents... |
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| DSP |
I'm leasing a 03 Pilot which is due back in October, so I checked out and drove the Acadia and was thoroughly impressed with the fit, finish and quality of interior materials. Even knobs and controls have a more refined and tactile feel than previous GM products, and my Pilot for that matter. The brakes are not squishy at all for such a heavy vehicle.
Reps for Honda Canada at the Toronto Autoshow this past week were adamant that the Pilot would be a 09, so mid-late 08 appearance.
While I know the Acadia/Outlook have already had a recall and some TSB's issued, I have not had great luck with the reliability/durability of my Pilot.
For me cargo room is a big selling point, but for those not so concerned I would give the Pilot the nod. |
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| mkaresh |
I could have reliability results for the Acadia and Outlook as early as May. 11 Outlooks and 4 Acadias signed up so far to participate in my research.
Still looking for more Pilots as well.
Details: Vehicle reliability research |
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| BillG |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
Honda can't make it Suburban size because they don't have an engine big enough right now.
I don't think it makes any sense for Honda to develop or buy a V8 gasoline engine at the moment.
The full size truck/SUV segment is already crowded with all the domestics slugging it out and offering crazy incentives, plus Nissan and Toyota have fielded some darn good offerings.
With gas prices being what they are and no relief expected, I think Honda would be foolish to jump into the fray. Tough place to make a buck.
However, a V6 diesel might be interesting. Crazy thought, but I think it would be more interesting than just another V8. |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by DSP
I'm leasing a 03 Pilot which is due back in October, so I checked out and drove the Acadia and was thoroughly impressed with the fit, finish and quality of interior materials. Even knobs and controls have a more refined and tactile feel than previous GM products, and my Pilot for that matter.
The 06+ years have improved interiors IMO. The radio/HVAC controls, gauge cluster, seat fabric are improved. Cargo wise, Pilot loses by a lot though, but then again, I don't need it. |
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| MK23666 |
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Originally posted by BillG
I don't think it makes any sense for Honda to develop or buy a V8 gasoline engine at the moment.
The full size truck/SUV segment is already crowded with all the domestics slugging it out and offering crazy incentives, plus Nissan and Toyota have fielded some darn good offerings.
With gas prices being what they are and no relief expected, I think Honda would be foolish to jump into the fray. Tough place to make a buck.
However, a V6 diesel might be interesting. Crazy thought, but I think it would be more interesting than just another V8.
Maybe so, but it has been reported on "Temple of VTech" that Honda is developing a V10 for a soon and coming Acura vehicle (RL maybe). |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by MK23666
Maybe so, but it has been reported on "Temple of VTech" that Honda is developing a V10 for a soon and coming Acura vehicle (RL maybe).
It's for the new NSX I believe..... |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
The Acadia and Outlook look pretty nice and are substantially larger than the Pilot in terms of cargo volume, but just beware that you might the guinea pig for those first year problems with all new models. If you don’t need a car right now, wait and see when GM will offer rebates on them. You know they will… ;)
Haven’t really looked at the CX9.
The Pilot is rumored to be redesigned for the 2008 model even though time is getting short, and not much has surfaced to back this up.
A few spy photos of a 08 Pilot have surface on the Internet do a search for it. |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by MK23666
Maybe so, but it has been reported on "Temple of VTech" that Honda is developing a V10 for a soon and coming Acura vehicle (RL maybe).
The V10 if developed will be in the sports car(NSX) not the RL,besides Diesel it be Honda fuel saving ticket in the near future. |
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| mkaresh |
Why the persistent belief that the Pilot will be redesigned for the 2008 model year? All indications are that the 2008 will be just like the 2007, with a redesign for 2009.
Except for its sports cars and perhaps the Element, Honda's product schedule is very regular. The minivans and large SUVs are on a six-year cycle, while the other mainsteam products are on a five-year cycle. |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by mkaresh
Why the persistent belief that the Pilot will be redesigned for the 2008 model year? All indications are that the 2008 will be just like the 2007, with a redesign for 2009.
Except for its sports cars and perhaps the Element, Honda's product schedule is very regular. The minivans and large SUVs are on a six-year cycle, while the other mainsteam products are on a five-year cycle.
I disagree 08 will me a FMC year in-line with the Accord. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
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Originally posted by tangotango99
A few spy photos of a 08 Pilot have surface on the Internet do a search for it.
My dealer said the spy photos are bogus -- not related to the '08 Pilot but something about R&D for the new MDX with a dummy body.
I don't care either way, but I tend to believe the folks who say the 2009 will be the major redesign. The Pilot is doing about as well as any mid-large SUV could be expected to do in this market.
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| jl_ss |
| Since two seperate people at two seperate auto shows have been told by Honda representatives that the Pilot redesign will be a 2009 model released in the fall of 2008, I'll believe that. |
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| dj5 |
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Originally posted by tangotango99
I disagree 08 will me a FMC year in-line with the Accord.
I agree. Honda is on a 5 year cycle and the '07 Pilot will be the last year of this body style. There should be a complete redesign of the Pilot for '08 and would proably be at the dealers the later part of 2007.
My wife has an '06 EX-L Pilot with Navi and I am thinking about trading my '02 Acura TL-S in on an '07 Pilot. I really don't like the new MDXs and hope Honda does not follow that styling trend with the Pilot. However, the new '07 Acura TL-S is also tempting.
I need new tires on my '02 TL soon, so instead of buying tires I plan on putting that money toward a new vehicle puchase. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by dj5
I agree. Honda is on a 5 year cycle and the '07 Pilot will be the last year of this body style. There should be a complete redesign of the Pilot for '08 and would proably be at the dealers the later part of 2007.
The MDX went 6 years before a major redesign............ |
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| Stever |
| The Honda rep told me at the Auto Show the Pilot will be in fall 08 as an 09. There will be no major changes until then. |
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| mkaresh |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
The MDX went 6 years before a major redesign............
As did the Odyssey. All three share a platform. Very likely the same group does all three, and they're on an evenly spaced cadence, with a redesign every other year. Ody-MDX-Pilot-repeat
The smaller Hondas are on a five-year cycle. |
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| dj5 |
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Originally posted by Stever
The Honda rep told me at the Auto Show the Pilot will be in fall 08 as an 09. There will be no major changes until then.
I was at the auto show in Chicago and talked with the Honda folks there. Most of the folks were from local dealerships and didn't know jack. Guess we will have to wait and see when the new redesign is released. My money will still be in '08. |
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| JohnnyJet |
I have driven the acadia and the outlook. IMO they are no better than my 4 year old pilot. The ride may be a little quiter than the pilot but the acceleration felt very similar to me. I dont have the 0-60 numbers but I bet they are close. Seems to me they are copies of the pilot. Truck feels a little wider but not longer. Ride quality is about the same as it feels very carlike just like the pilot. Both new trucks from GM are exactly the same, just different nose and tail. Buick is coming out with their version call Enclave soon and thats supposed to be a bit more upscale that the other two. Reminds me of the late 70s when every GM division had a clone of the other divisions cars. For my $$$ the Pilot is the way to go.
WHY you ask---RELIABILITY |
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| crabeyes |
I had the Acadia #1 on my buy list. I thought it had the best features and milage between the Acadia/Pilot/ others.
Then I checked with my insurance company about the rates for each.
The pilot as a mature vehicle was $156 more the Acadia over $800.
When you add up the cost of the vehicle/yearly gas/ insurance/maintenace,
the cost ownership made the Pilot go to #1.
I'm now driving a Dark Cherry EX-L with towing. |
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| sjlee |
| I wouldn't consider any first year vehicle, much less one from GM. IMO, GM needs to prove that the reliability on their vehicles (particularly their SUVs) has improved before I would consider something to replace our Pilot. |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by dj5
I was at the auto show in Chicago and talked with the Honda folks there. Most of the folks were from local dealerships and didn't know jack. Guess we will have to wait and see when the new redesign is released. My money will still be in '08.
November of this year will be my bet. |
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| mkaresh |
Some rumors just won't die.
Honda introduces new products on a cadence. They go six model years for the large trucks: Odyssey, MDX, Pilot. This probably allows the same team to do all three.
This makes the next Pilot a 2009, which Honda officials have confirmed to at least one active member of this board. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
New NYTimes review of the Acadia and Outlook:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/a...ws/25AUTOS.html
Sounds like a reasonably nice vehicle. The test unit MSRP's for $5,000 more than an EX-L. And EX-L's are selling for $5,000+ under MSRP. Anyone know whether the GMC is selling at MSRP or well below?
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| mkaresh |
They are very nice vehicles, but the price is a bit high.
Some rebates have been available, I think including $1,000 if you own a competitive vehicle.
One TrueDelta panel member who recently bought an Acadia instead of a Saturn Outlook said he bought the Acadia in part because the dealer discount and incentives made it about $1,000 less than the Saturn, which tends to sell at sticker.
So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.
I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.
My site's page for the Acadia:
http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by mkaresh
They are very nice vehicles, but the price is a bit high.
Some rebates have been available, I think including $1,000 if you own a competitive vehicle.
One TrueDelta panel member who recently bought an Acadia instead of a Saturn Outlook said he bought the Acadia in part because the dealer discount and incentives made it about $1,000 less than the Saturn, which tends to sell at sticker.
So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.
I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.
My site's page for the Acadia:
http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php
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| Sportymonk |
Just remember that Saturn has always had a "no haggle price" policy. If they can hold that when they are selling essentially the same vehicle as sister divisions, who knows. Saturn used to make unique cars with the dent resistant body panels and all that. Now GM has made them just another outlet selling European Opels and sister division vehicles. I don't see how they will be able to have no haggle prices against their sister divisions. Why buy a Saturn when you can get a GMC cheaper and its the same vehicle? Of course theere are alsways some that won't have a clue.
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Originally posted by mkaresh
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So, you'll get a rough idea of how much an Acadia will cost if you price a Saturn, then deduct $1,000.
I'll have initial reliability information on these in May, with more solid results in Augusts. About 50 signed up to participate in my research so far.
My site's page for the Acadia:
http://www.truedelta.com/models/Acadia.php
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| MK23666 |
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Originally posted by BillG
I don't think it makes any sense for Honda to develop or buy a V8 gasoline engine at the moment.
The full size truck/SUV segment is already crowded with all the domestics slugging it out and offering crazy incentives, plus Nissan and Toyota have fielded some darn good offerings.
With gas prices being what they are and no relief expected, I think Honda would be foolish to jump into the fray. Tough place to make a buck.
However, a V6 diesel might be interesting. Crazy thought, but I think it would be more interesting than just another V8.
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| mkaresh |
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
Just remember that Saturn has always had a "no haggle price" policy. If they can hold that when they are selling essentially the same vehicle as sister divisions, who knows. Saturn used to make unique cars with the dent resistant body panels and all that. Now GM has made them just another outlet selling European Opels and sister division vehicles. I don't see how they will be able to have no haggle prices against their sister divisions. Why buy a Saturn when you can get a GMC cheaper and its the same vehicle? Of course theere are alsways some that won't have a clue.
In this person's case the Saturn came out more expensive. But I suspect that GM will juggle prices and incentives to keep the two roughly equivalent in price after the dickering is done. This is one reason why the MSRP on the Saturn is lower. |
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