| whatugot |
Hi All,
I have a question regarding my 05' Pilot EX-L VTM system, there were snow and ice last week remaining on the street where I parked. I tried to move out when my Pilot started spinning to get out, thought the Pilot is four wheel drive, the backwheel were spinning like crazy! I notice the front wheel were not moving at all during the process, is there something wrong with my vehicle or something else I am missing?
Let me know your thoughts if any
Thanks:confused: |
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| andyschneider |
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Originally posted by whatugot
Hi All,
I have a question regarding my 05' Pilot EX-L VTM system, there were snow and ice last week remaining on the street where I parked. I tried to move out when my Pilot started spinning to get out, thought the Pilot is four wheel drive, the backwheel were spinning like crazy! I notice the front wheel were not moving at all during the process, is there something wrong with my vehicle or something else I am missing?
Let me know your thoughts if any
Thanks:confused:
So I'd imagine the major problem is that the OEM Goodyear Integrity tires on your Pilot are probably most of the problem with loss of traction, but what you were seeing is typical of the VTM behavior. By default the Pilot is a front-wheel drive vehicle. Like on most FWD vehicles, one wheel will spin and the other won't if you get in a slippery situation. The difference is that on the Pilot the VTM system will detect one of the front wheels slipping and put a portion of the power to the back wheels - not all, but some. What you were likely seeing was the rear wheels getting partial power, and probably (still) one of the front wheels still spinning as well. Sounds to me like it was working as it should have, but I think the biggest issue may be tires.
andy |
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| N_Jay |
| If the rear were spinning, then at least one front wheel MUST also be spinning. |
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| GreenMachine |
| Did you lock VTM-4, and if so, did that have any effect? |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
Did you lock VTM-4, and if so, did that have any effect?
If both rear wheels are spinning then they are already being "locked" by the system. |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
If both rear wheels are spinning then they are already being "locked" by the system.
Couldn't hurt to try since that's what the manual says to do if you are stuck. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
Couldn't hurt to try since that's what the manual says to do if you are stuck.
Yep, couldn't hurt, but most likely won't help either.
Once you don't have enough traction to get moving, there is little locking anything will help. |
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| whatugot |
Thanks for all your responds and help.
andyschneider: I am running OEM stock tires
on my Pilot. FWD? Only the back wheel were spinning in this insistance, for 4WD, I thought the front wheels will move too, correct me if I am wrong?
GreenMachine: I didnt' try the VTM-4 lock feature, I read thought the manual, will give it a try if I get into that situation.
Any one try the VTM-4 Lock feature before?
One other note: As I was losing traction and spinning the symbol "!" were displayed. Is this normal?
Any feedback will be helpful.
Thanks
andyschneider GreenMachine :D |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by whatugot
FWD?
The Pilot is basically FWD with the rear driven off the front through the VTM-4 system.
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Originally posted by whatugot
FWD? Only the back wheel were spinning in this instance, for 4WD, I thought the front wheels will move too, correct me if I am wrong?
As I said before; IF the rear wheels are turning, then at least one of the front wheels MUST be turning.
Something would be seriously broken and the car would be undrivable if this were not true.
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Originally posted by whatugot
Any one try the VTM-4 Lock feature before?
Yes, but find it of little use. The VTM-4 system does an excellent job all by itself.
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Originally posted by whatugot
One other note: As I was losing traction and spinning the symbol "!" were displayed. Is this normal?
Hard to say? If that is the Traction control or Vehicle Stability Control indicator, it would be telling you that the system is detecting slippery conditions. (Kind of a No-sh!t, moment) |
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| whatugot |
Thanks for your feedback, my traction condition was on leftover ice freeze up from snow, I thought there were something wrong with my car at first.
When is the VTM system activate automatically fulltime or parttime when needed. Is there a indicator or signal when it is activate.
Thanks
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Originally posted by N_Jay
The Pilot is basically FWD with the rear driven off the front through the VTM-4 system.
As I said before; IF the rear wheels are turning, then at least one of the front wheels MUST be turning.
Something would be seriously broken and the car would be undrivable if this were not true.
Yes, but find it of little use. The VTM-4 system does an excellent job all by itself.
Hard to say? If that is the Traction control or Vehicle Stability Control indicator, it would be telling you that the system is detecting slippery conditions. (Kind of a No-sh!t, moment)
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by whatugot
Thanks for your feedback, my traction condition was on leftover ice freeze up from snow, I thought there were something wrong with my car at first.
When is the VTM system activate automatically fulltime or parttime when needed. Is there a indicator or signal when it is activate.
Thanks
There is no indication.
The system is neither a full-time or part-time system as those terms are typically used.
Best would say it is; "FWD with automatically activated part-time 4WD". |
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| whatugot |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
There is no indication.
The system is neither a full-time or part-time system as those terms are typically used.
Best would say it is; "FWD with automatically activated part-time 4WD".
Got it! Thanks
Are the Goodyear Integerity OEM tires good enough for snowy and icy traction conditions or not? Any tire suggestions.....
Just curious: what are the life span (miles) on the stock OEM tires anyway.
Thanks..... :D |
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| rocky |
The GY's are best on dry roads and weak on snow as evidenced a year ago when my truck was still fairly new.
This winter haven't seen much snow at all. Was planning on replacing the tires before winter but never got around to it.
The GYs have 30 k on them now after 20 months. I expect to replace them before the 07/08 winter with Michelin cross terrain or LTX tires. |
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| whatugot |
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Originally posted by rocky
The GY's are best on dry roads and weak on snow as evidenced a year ago when my truck was still fairly new.
This winter haven't seen much snow at all. Was planning on replacing the tires before winter but never got around to it.
The GYs have 30 k on them now after 20 months. I expect to replace them before the 07/08 winter with Michelin cross terrain or LTX tires.
Thanks Rocky for you respond! |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by whatugot
Got it! Thanks
Are the Goodyear Integerity OEM tires good enough for snowy and icy traction conditions or not? Any tire suggestions.....
Just curious: what are the life span (miles) on the stock OEM tires anyway.
Thanks..... :D
I got 65,000 miles on mine till a sidewall cut forced replacement.
I was looking at getting about 75,000 before the cut.
They are not great tires, but they are good enough. |
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| whatugot |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
I got 65,000 miles on mine till a sidewall cut forced replacement.
I was looking at getting about 75,000 before the cut.
They are not great tires, but they are good enough.
Wow, you did push the limit on the OEM stock tires, usually 40,000 is the limit. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by whatugot
Wow, you did push the limit on the OEM stock tires, usually 40,000 is the limit.
Nah, they still have tread. |
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| 5Gs |
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Originally posted by whatugot
Wow, you did push the limit on the OEM stock tires, usually 40,000 is the limit.
with a treadwear rating of 460, those tires should last more than 40,000, assuming the suv isn't driven like a race car. |
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| andyschneider |
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Originally posted by 5Gs
with a treadwear rating of 460, those tires should last more than 40,000, assuming the suv isn't driven like a race car.
The problem is that in the snow belt, only people with a sense of adventure let their tires get anywhere near the treadwear level. :eek: A good rule of thumb is on Tire Rack's web site - 2/32" is the "legal limit", 4/32" is a safe rule for rainy environments, and 6/32" is a safe rule for snowy enviornments. That's pretty much what I follow, assuming you have a decently designed tread to begin with. IMHO, the Integrity tread isn't that great and even with 6/32", you run a risk of inconsistent traction in the snow/ice....
andy |
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| jparrette |
I live in the snowy northeast, and I have NEVER owned worse tires for the snow than the OEM Goodyears. A mere dusting of snow turned my Pilot into a 4-wheel sled.
I ditched them for a set of Pirelli Scorpion snow tires from Tirerack, and now I can drive through ANYTHING |
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