| sagaliba |
What improvements do you guys like to see on Pilot?
I would really like to see Pilot have the kind of electronic ignition that would prevent you from cranking the engine when it is already running (i.e., idling). All my cars in the last 12 years have it, and now I have this bad habit of cranking the engine without absolutely positively 100% sure that it is not already running. As a result, I did it a couple of times even during the break-in periods already! Sigh, I hope no damage done to my engine. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by sagaliba
What improvements do you guys like to see on Pilot?
I would really like to see Pilot have the kind of electronic ignition that would prevent you from cranking the engine when it is already running (i.e., idling). All my cars in the last 12 years have it, and now I have this bad habit of cranking the engine without absolutely positively 100% sure that it is not already running. As a result, I did it a couple of times even during the break-in periods already! Sigh, I hope no damage done to my engine.
What cars other than MB have had that for the last 12 years? |
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| sagaliba |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
What cars other than MB have had that for the last 12 years?
I have MB for 12 yrs. But my '97 Chrysler minivan also have that (so that's 10 yrs)! |
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| dragoncoach |
quote:
Originally posted by sagaliba
What improvements do you guys like to see on Pilot?
I would really like to see Pilot have the kind of electronic ignition that would prevent you from cranking the engine when it is already running (i.e., idling). All my cars in the last 12 years have it, and now I have this bad habit of cranking the engine without absolutely positively 100% sure that it is not already running. As a result, I did it a couple of times even during the break-in periods already! Sigh, I hope no damage done to my engine.
I've only done it once in our Accord. It shouldn't damage the starter too much as long as you don't hold the key in the crank position. |
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| giwan1259 |
| Pay attention to the RMP dial and you will know whether it is running or not. It really shouldn't cause damage unless you hold it there a long time. |
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| sagaliba |
quote:
Originally posted by dragoncoach
I've only done it once in our Accord. It shouldn't damage the starter too much as long as you don't hold the key in the crank position.
So you mean it only affect the starter and would not affect the engine at all? (I do release it as soon as I realize what I've done.) |
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| rossdm |
One thing I wanted to see fixed in my '03 was that the Rear A/C control button would stay on when you turned the car off and started it again (i.e. the car would "remember" whether the Rear A/C control button was on or off when you restart the car).
This still has not changed in the '07. Everytime we get into the car, I have to press the Rear A/C control button to allow the rear passangers to have control. It should stay on until I turn it off (like the air recirculation button).
This is very annoying.
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| sagaliba |
| On EX/EX-L, the only way to turn on heat or AC is by turn on "Auto." Even if you override the mode (i.e., air diminution, fan speed, etc.), once you turn it off, next time you have to start from scratch and start from "Auto" again. This is especially annoying when you don't want AC, since the only way to do it is to turn on Auto first, and then turn off AC. I wish they can have an "On" button that will just turn it on in the setting where you operated last. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
I would like to see the following:
1. Move to 17" wheels
2. Dual zone front climate control
3. Dashboard layout on the Nav system that allows you to see all of the systems the Nav unit is monitoring: Average miles per gallon, distance to empty, outside temperature, clock, current radio station, etc.
4. More Factory upgrade options on the audio. So I don't have to put after-market equipment in.
5. Larger sunroof
6. Hybrid or bio-diesel version |
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| rfela |
I would like to be able to open the rear glass seperately from the rest of the tailgate.
A full size spare standard would be nice as well. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
I second BlueRiverPilot's whole list, although none of those things is exactly making my life unliveable. ;) And I wouldn't pay extra for the fuel options.
I would add:
1. More lateral support on the seat cushions.
2. Memory seat/mirror positions.
3. Make XM a separate option.
4. Work on controlling torque steer.
Dang, that's about all I can think of. And I can be a real picky b******. Oh, almost forgot:
5. Let me have chrome side steps for free.
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| Love the idea of having the XM as an option and dropping the EXL price $200 bucks or so. But I am sure that XM is giving Honda the equipment for free so that they can obtain the subscription....Even better, it would be great if they would let us trade the XM for side steps? |
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| sagaliba |
quote:
Originally posted by rfela
I would like to be able to open the rear glass seperately from the rest of the tailgate.
Yeah, that would be a nice feature to have.
I also wonder why would automaker start to offer HD radio? |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| Great, Idea....Would love to have the HD Radio feature...would pay for it as an option. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueRiverPilot
Even better, it would be great if they would let us trade the XM for side steps?
I would make this trade with any Pilot owner who has relatively new chrome side steps! Just PM me! Your chrome steps for my entire head unit and XM unit. :2:
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| jon4uu |
| Here's what I'd change. Redesign the 3rd seat so the head restraints can be left in place, and add straps to the seatbacks to more easily pull the bedded seat upright from the back. Add a opening rear glass hatch. Fix the dash gauge lights so they don't dim to night level when you're driving with the daytime running lights on. Add a button on the shifter to lock out 5th gear (overdrive). Get rid of the complicated, hard to use Auto air conditioning controls and replace with the LX's simple 3 knob layout (at the very least get rid of the pushbutton fan control) Add telescoping steering wheel. Simplify the center dash storage compartments. |
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| mrcutter |
I drive an '04 EX-L.
1. More comfy driver seat.
2. Telescopic steering wheel.
3. Sirius Radio
4. Separate driver & passenger climate control.
5. Less road noise. |
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| batamba |
I've owned my Pilot for 16 days now and absolutely love it, but.......
I found something today that I don't like. It was pouring rain out today so I had to have the lights on in order to use the windshield wipers (is that just a California law?). I can't see the Navigation screen at all with the lights on during the day. I was going to play around with it and see if I could brighten it. I know there are settings to do so. Still, it seems pretty dumb to not be able to use that screen during the daytime when you need to have your lights on. |
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| novaks90 |
| I would love to have the locks lock automatically after driving for a bit. This would be a great safety feature. I sometimes forget to lock my doors. |
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| CMasten |
| BOTH NAVI and RES as a top end option... |
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| TheEaglePilot |
quote:
Originally posted by CMasten
BOTH NAVI and RES as a top end option...
FWIW, my dealer had a number of NAV Pilots on the lot with headrest DVD systems already installed. So if you've got the money (I didn't!), it's not a hard thing to find.
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| jonaz |
Heres what I wish my Pilot had:
1. A Teptronic transmission- I drove my mother-in-laws 2007 Hyundi Sante Fe with the Teptronic transmission, and fell in love with it, especially driving in the mountains. It gives you the option of a automatic, or manually shifting the gears.
2. A remote entry keypad like they have on the Fords.
3. A 60/40 front bench seat with a pull down arm rest, again like they have in some domestics. Have two captain chairs in the middle row, giving you better access to the third row.
4. A true rear locking differential, like a Eaton locker found on Chevrolet trucks. |
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| switch |
- iVTEC engine - having to wind up a 3.5L engine shouldn't be necessary
- cylinder bank disable for improved highway mileage
- diesel option
- better sound deadening; this doesn't just quiet the ride, it improves the quality of the sound system
- better stereo package option
- rear door glass hatch
- NAV display could have more information, such as elevation.
- gas MPG display - the new CRV has it, so maybe the new Pilot will too
- a bit more legroom for the driver
- telescopic steering wheel
- rear air controls that do not depend on the vent settings of the front
and finally.....
- a 3rd row seat belt that doesn't keep bashing off the side plastic!!!
For those that do not like having the NAV display go into night mode when you turn your lights on, adjust your dashboard light setting to the max level, and the NAV display will always be bright. |
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| Tuck & Jack |
I would like to have:
1) The homelink only operate when the key is in Accessory or ON.
2) Better front seats
3) Tele steering wheel
4) optional trans programs; economy, haul & sport. |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by switch ...
- cylinder bank disable for improved highway mileage
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This option is on the 2WD models. It's the VCM feature. |
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| volleytime |
1. Auto dimming rear-view mirror (I know this is available, but should be standard on at least EX and up)
2. Telescopic sterring wheel.
3. Sirius
4. Remote star on EX and above
5. Trip computer. DTE, current mileage, etc.
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| TheEaglePilot |
quote:
Originally posted by volleytime
4. Remote star on EX and above
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You can see remote stars with any Pilot. You may have to drive outside the city limits, though, as remote stars are often dimmer than nearby stars.
...oh, you meant remote start! ;) Does any car come standard with that?
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| volleytime |
Sorry, I meant remote start.
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| volleytime |
I think Kia was offering that for 2006 on some models.
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| switch |
quote:
Originally posted by tim.s
This option is on the 2WD models. It's the VCM feature.
I'd like it on the 4WD models, where it makes sense. Why Honda only makes it available on the 2WD models, and the most expensive Odyssey's, is strange. Kinda like they're Accord Hybrid offering being an upscale V6. |
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| tangotango99 |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
I'd like it on the 4WD models, where it makes sense. Why Honda only makes it available on the 2WD models, and the most expensive Odyssey's, is strange. Kinda like they're Accord Hybrid offering being an upscale V6.
Profit pure and simple. |
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| metallocene |
A Diesel engine!
A diesel_hybrid would be even nicer (especially if the diesel engine didn't start until we were out of the garage each morning...) but one can't ask for everything. Would be really cool if hybrid used ultra high density capacitors rather than batteries; a guy can dream can't he...
Analog control on the air flow position controllers. In the winter once the truck is warm, sometimes it would be nice to have a lot of warm air going to ones feet and just a little to the window defrost. |
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| ptsmh73 |
I'd like:
1. A handle on the rear door to make it easier to close. (The handle on the inside does not help when closing.)
2. Auto door locks. (The Ody Touring has them)
3. Dual driver positions on driver's seat. (Also, on Ody touring).
4. Power seat adjust for passenger front seat.
5. I am very happy with everything else. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| Oh, I like the idea of passenger power seats!!! |
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| rlapid |
| i don't think anyone has mentioned this yet: how about better stock tires? |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| I would love better tires!!! How about some silent armors to keep road noise down? |
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| ptsmh73 |
quote:
Originally posted by rlapid
i don't think anyone has mentioned this yet: how about better stock tires?
Yes, I'd like to add better tires to my list! |
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| pinhi |
2007 LX AWD
I want auto headlamp shutoff/on and auto door-locks. My Accord LX has auto headlamp shutoff/on. I can't understand why it would be on one LX and not the other. I love everything else. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
I agree with the auto headlights that should be standard. It was on my 2002 Highlander. There must be some reason that Honda is not automatically doing this.
Auto door locks should be standard as well. Again, my 2002 Highlander had them. |
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| Kalbo607 |
| Add me to the drivers side memory seat list. |
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| dontnomuch007 |
| If all of these improvements were made, I bet the price would be in the ballpark of an MDX. |
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| Luwin1026 |
| Although it's adequate, I wouldn't mind another 50 horses to work with. |
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| TheEaglePilot |
quote:
Originally posted by dontnomuch007
If all of these improvements were made, I bet the price would be in the ballpark of an MDX.
I dunno. Most of the complaints center on the front seats (incl. wheel) and the stereo. The latter would be optional. Better seats would cost a bit, but not MDX money.
The wheels could also be upgraded without threatening the MDX. But it does seem that Honda wants you to go to the MDX if you want serious handling. If the new MDX actually handles nicely at its size, that's pretty amazing, actually.
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by dontnomuch007
If all of these improvements were made, I bet the price would be in the ballpark of an MDX.
Not at all. The features of the Pilot have been suppressed soley for the purpose of leaving a differentiation between the Pilot and the MDX. Most of the competition in the same price range offers many of these features. Now that the MDX has been redesigned and has other features (SH-AWD/etc) to differentiate it, the new Pilot should get all the features that it should already have. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| Let's hope so and then I'll trade my 07' in for one with the new options. Oh the work it will be to re install all of the sound deadening materials. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
I'd like it on the 4WD models, where it makes sense. Why Honda only makes it available on the 2WD models, and the most expensive Odyssey's, is strange. Kinda like they're Accord Hybrid offering being an upscale V6.
Right now Honda only has VCM developed for their 2wd drive platform. VTM-4 interaction with VCM would add an additional layer of complexity. In the 2wd Pilot VCM only results in an epa rated mpg savings of 1 mpg city and 2 mpg hwy. Since those are ideal conditions, real life difference will be less. If you add in the extra weight of the 4wd, you get less opportunity for the VCM to kick in making the difference even less. So does it make sense for Honda to add additional cost to a model for something that they can't charge extra for because it shows negligible payback? |
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| 2005exlPilot |
I have a 2005 EXL, so here goes in order of priority:
1. More sound deadening from road noise
2. Adjustable headrest EDIT: (front-back adjustment)
3. Automatic door locks
4. Aux audio input for stereo (either stereo or RCA)
5. Rear glass hatch
6. Better lateral support (at least driver seat)
7. Telescoping steering wheel
Those in bold text are really important to me & the better half. |
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| rocky |
A Ford Mondeo (European) car had a feature I really liked.
If you flicked the directionals for a lane change, it indicated for 4 or five flashes after you let it go allowing you to put both hands on the wheel again while completing the manover |
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| switch |
quote:
Originally posted by jl_ss
Right now Honda only has VCM developed for their 2wd drive platform. VTM-4 interaction with VCM would add an additional layer of complexity. In the 2wd Pilot VCM only results in an epa rated mpg savings of 1 mpg city and 2 mpg hwy. Since those are ideal conditions, real life difference will be less. If you add in the extra weight of the 4wd, you get less opportunity for the VCM to kick in making the difference even less. So does it make sense for Honda to add additional cost to a model for something that they can't charge extra for because it shows negligible payback?
I wasn't referring to VCM; that's a feature that isn't worth the cost, IMO.
What I'd like to see is iVTEC in the 4WD model. Having gone from a 4 cylinder Accord that didn't have it to one that did, the difference is noticeable. The ability to add some "umph" at lower RPMs is a great feature.
quote:
Originally posted by 2005exlPilot
I have a 2005 EXL, so here goes in order of priority:
1. More sound deadening from road noise
2. Adjustable headrest
3. Automatic door locks
4. Aux audio input for stereo (either stereo or RCA)
5. Rear glass hatch
6. Better lateral support (at least driver seat)
7. Telescoping steering wheel
Those in bold text are really important to me & the better half.
I'm really big on #1. Whatever the additional cost is to do that, I'd pay it.
Auto door locks have are a $2 feature.
The headrests do adjust. Or do you mean forward/back? Because if you do, I'd like that too. :) Same with #6. These are features most cars are lacking, but would be great.
#4 is going to happen. It already has on the Fit, Civic, and CRV.
#7 would be great too. It's available on other Hondas, so I'd bet it will be part of a newly designed Pilot.
Perhaps a bit more front leg room would be in order. I'd be happy with an inch. |
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| 2005exlPilot |
Yup, I mean front-back adjustment.
In the 2005 pilot, the driver/passenger headrests are fixed solid. I believe they've changed the design in the newer models, don't know if the new headrests adjust front-back. |
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| switch |
quote:
Originally posted by 2005exlPilot
Yup, I mean front-back adjustment.
In the 2005 pilot, the driver/passenger headrests are fixed solid. I believe they've changed the design in the newer models, don't know if the new headrests adjust front-back.
They don't.
I've never owned a vehicle that does have that, but it's something I've always wanted as on long trips I'd love to give my neck a rest. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
I wasn't referring to VCM; that's a feature that isn't worth the cost, IMO.
What I'd like to see is iVTEC in the 4WD model. Having gone from a 4 cylinder Accord that didn't have it to one that did, the difference is noticeable. The ability to add some "umph" at lower RPMs is a great feature.
Apparently the "intelligence" in i-vtec means different things on different engines. For the 4 cylinder DOHC engines i-VTEC = VTEC + VTC. On the Pilot and Ody SOHC V6 i-VTEC = VTEC + VCM. |
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| switch |
I'd like to see the HP and torque curve for these engines.
On the Odyssey, max torque is reached at 4500RPM with the iVTEC engine, as opposed to 5000RPM with the VTEC engine.
On the Pilot, the max HP on the iVTEC is reached at 5750 RPM, and 5600RPM for the VTEC.
In any case, I'd like to have what the 2.4L Accord engine has - what's written about in this article:
http://asia.vtec.net/article/k20a/ |
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| rocky |
Forgot one mo' thing.
DIESEL |
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| TheEaglePilot |
Hey mods, can you fix the grammar of the thread title?!
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| tfrain |
| If they come out with a diesel engine that gets 30mpg with all this stuff I might consider trading my brand new pilot on one.., but it would have to be 2nd or 3rd year of a redesign. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
I'd like to see the HP and torque curve for these engines.
On the Odyssey, max torque is reached at 4500RPM with the iVTEC engine, as opposed to 5000RPM with the VTEC engine.
On the Pilot, the max HP on the iVTEC is reached at 5750 RPM, and 5600RPM for the VTEC.
I think the differences have more to do with the transmission gearing rather than the engines themselves.
Odyssey
Gear Ratios: 1st: 2.697, 2nd: 1.606, 3rd: 1.071, 4th: 0.766, 5th: 0.538, Reverse: 1.889, Final Drive: 4.312
Pilot
Gear Ratios: 1st: 2.693,(2WD, 2.422) 2nd: 1.565, 3rd: 1.023, 4th: 0.782, 5th: 0.595, Reverse: 1.888, Final Drive: 4.375 |
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| switch |
| So the HP/torque ratings are at the wheels, and not the flywheel? |
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| GreenMachine |
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but just in case.
6 speed automatic!!!! Also, let the driver choose whatever gear they want to help in towing, like the MDX has.
I was reading a comparison on the new MDX, Acadia, and CX-9. The MDX was the only one without a 6 speed auto. At 60mph, the rpms were close to 2K while the other two were around 1,600. The Acadia was about 500 - 600 pounds heavier and still got around the same tested hwy mileage. |
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| tfrain |
quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but just in case.
6 speed automatic!!!! Also, let the driver choose whatever gear they want to help in towing, like the MDX has.
I was reading a comparison on the new MDX, Acadia, and CX-9. The MDX was the only one without a 6 speed auto. At 60mph, the rpms were close to 2K while the other two were around 1,600. The Acadia was about 500 - 600 pounds heavier and still got around the same tested hwy mileage.
Probably becaused they just redesigned the tranny a few years ago due to problems and didn't want to reinvest it. I would wager that the tranny in current Pilot/MDX is better (ie will last longer) than these others, because:
1. They realized what needed to be changed from the old design and fixed it, hopefully
2. It has been out there for a while. These other trannys are prob. new designs. I know I wouldn't want to be the first year buyer of a tranny designed by GM. |
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| GreenMachine |
I don't think Honda will make the mistake again of having so many problems with their transmissions. At least I hope not. I also thought the last redesign was with the tranny in the 2003 MDX, which someone here said the 2006+ Pilots received. I do agree with your points, but they have to do manufacture one eventually. Even Hyundai and has one. Heck Lexus has an eight speed I think. Other than Honda and Nissan with their CVT, I think most other large manufacturers have them available.
My point is, to stay competitive, they need to get one out soon. Not only will their fuel economy improve, but acceleration figures usually improve as well, not that they really need it.
IIRC, the 6 speed auto for GM was co-designed with other manufacturers. I can't remember who though. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
So the HP/torque ratings are at the wheels, and not the flywheel?
Hmmm, yeah, I think you're right... usually the HP/torque numbers are at the flywheel and not at the wheels (so that the numbers are higher).
Although they are both 3.5L V6... could it be that they are tuned differently? |
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| pinhi |
I would like to see an indicator telling me what gear the transmission is using. Just something simple like a led with p, n, r, 1-5.
I don't think I have ever seen that on any car. It might keep some people from driving in d3 by mistake. |
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| switch |
Is the Pilot transmission 5 speed, or 5 speed with overdrive?
Does that Accord not have the latter?
My wife's Accord seems to have better "shift points". It shifts better on inclines, and when a gear down is needed, the RPM doesn't jump a couple grand. |
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| rlapid |
quote:
Originally posted by switch
Is the Pilot transmission 5 speed, or 5 speed with overdrive?
i believe the pilot's tranny is 5-speed, no overdrive. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by rlapid
i believe the pilot's tranny is 5-speed, no overdrive.
I think if you do that math it is a 3 speed with 2 overdrive gears.
Overdrive is a meaningless term any more.
It IS a 5 speed with lockup torque converter. Some will think this is an extra gear since the locking and unlocking "feels" (to some) like an extra shift. |
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| giwan1259 |
| Does anyone really have a use for these mirrors to be heated? Now I live in a VERY heavy snow area avg 175 inches. Driven thru some nasty storms and have never had a need for them. |
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| switch |
quote:
Originally posted by giwan1259
Does anyone really have a use for these mirrors to be heated? Now I live in a VERY heavy snow area avg 175 inches. Driven thru some nasty storms and have never had a need for them.
Heated mirrors are a great feature during the winter here in Vancouver. It doesn't get really cold, but it is cold and wet, so the mirrors fog up all the time.
If I were to ask for a feature to be dumped, it would be the sunroof. For the cost of a sunroof, and the time to put it in, I'd rather have one or two of the other useful features people have mentioned. |
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| 787_Pilot |
I'd like to see Honda add or change the following on their next Pilot:
1. HID headlamps - heck, even the Prius has 'em now.
2. Integrated trip computer for the NAV equipped models.
3. Powered tailgate via key remote. This would really help when loading a toddler and bags of groceries in the parking lot.
4. Remote up/down for all windows and open/close of sunroof - this helps to cool down the cabin prior to entering vehicle on a hot day.
5. Auto lock of all doors after driveaway and auto unlock after engine shutdown.
6. Side mirror turn signals.
7. Clear side markers instead of amber.
8. Larger 17"-18" wheels & tires.
9. Relocate the Speedo/Nav screen dimmer switch from behind the steering wheel to somewhere more easily accessible when driving.
10. Get rid of the annoying tight space I call the 'black hole' between the front seat cushions and the center console. I have pens, coins, french fries, chips, etc. that I've dropped in there that I still haven't been able to 'fish' out @!$@$
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| GreenMachine |
I'd like to add electrochromic side view mirrors.
quote:
Originally posted by 787_Pilot
6. Side mirror turn signals.
7. Clear side markers instead of amber.
787_Pilot
I doubt you will see these two together.
I wish a car company would have one button inside the car to lower or raise all the windows in the car at once. It could reside in the middle of the four windows buttons. That way if it starts to downpour or you go past one of those idiots with the leafblowers blowing all their $hit in the street, puddles, etc. you could raise them all at the touch of one button, instead of four. |
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| tfrain |
quote:
Originally posted by GreenMachine
I'd like to add electrochromic side view mirrors.
I doubt you will see these two together.
I wish a car company would have one button inside the car to lower or raise all the windows in the car at once. It could reside in the middle of the four windows buttons. That way if it starts to downpour or you go past one of those idiots with the leafblowers blowing all their $hit in the street, puddles, etc. you could raise them all at the touch of one button, instead of four.
I've wished the same thing many times. I can get 3 up at once pretty easily, but the fourth involves some dexterity. |
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| jimmyhauser |
Better road feel / better suspension tuning. Go drive (the now defunct, I know) Mazda MPV and you will know what I mean. Even for a Honda, the Pilot is bland.
Yeah, and I would pay extra for HD radio too. The only thing that sounds better is true CD-audio. |
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| jon316 |
Ditto on rear hatch glass opening, and the rear quarter windows venting. Rear quarter vents make the backseaters much more comfortable.
The sunroof on my Jetta has a "set and forget" dial. You dial the position, and the roof will go to that position. Same with the tilt. It will close the same way: dial it closed and then pay attention to the road. The dial is on the headliner, allowing the driver to control the sunroof, and the car, at the same time. The Pilot's sunroof controller is in the same place my '88 Accord's was; it was a bad spot in 1988, it's a bad spot in 2007. Closing the Pilot's tilted sunroof is a wee bit hit and miss, too; Honda needs to rethink the sunroof control.
I can open all the windows, and close all the windows and sunroof on my Jetta, by operating the key in the driver's door. A great feature when it's hot, or about to rain.
The sideview mirrors on my Trooper fold against the window at the push of a button. This is a lot more handy than it seems if you've not had it. (You can really snuggle-up to the ATM.)
More interior lights, especially some to illuminate the floor.
Lit steering wheel controls.
Honda traded back and forth with Isuzu for years, how about adopting the V-10 TDI from the Touareg, for the Pilot? (553 ft/lbs of torque at 25 MPG can't be a bad thing.)
You gettin' all this, Honda? |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by jon316
Honda traded back and forth with Isuzu for years, how about adopting the V-10 TDI from the Touareg, for the Pilot? (553 ft/lbs of torque at 25 MPG can't be a bad thing.)
The Touareg is rated to get 17-22 MPG just like the Pilot. Besides, throwing a V10 into the Pilot would raise the price drastically. |
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| tim.s |
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Originally posted by giwan1259
Does anyone really have a use for these mirrors to be heated? Now I live in a VERY heavy snow area avg 175 inches. Driven thru some nasty storms and have never had a need for them.
We don't get much snow, but we do have ice storms. When the mirrors are completely covered with ice, the heated mirrors are great - I wouldn't want to try to chisel the ice off of the mirrors.
I also use the heated mirrors anytime there is dense fog or humid mornings when the mirrors are fogged over. The heaters even keep the mirrors clean and dry during light rain and drizzle.quote:
Originally posted by tfrain
I've wished the same thing many times. I can get 3 up at once pretty easily, but the fourth involves some dexterity.
Yeah, it is tricky to get all four windows up at the same time. I usually hit the auto up on the driver's window and then pull the other three together.
I was just driving a loaner while the wife's car was in the shop. The loaner had auto-up on all four windows. There wasn't one switch to raise all four, but all four of the buttons on the driver's door had the auto-up and auto-down function. I could trip the windows up or down two at a time and forget about them. Click-click-done.
I think I would use that feature a lot when the weather is in the 90s and 100s. |
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| GreenMachine |
Thought of another.
A leather wrapped steering wheel without having to get leather seats. Seems most other manufacturers do this. Yeah, you can get that accessory to wrap the wheel, but it looks cheap compared to the one on the EX-L models. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| I would like it if the steering wheel was a little thicker...front to back so I could get a better grip with my gorilla hands. |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by BlueRiverPilot
I would like it if the steering wheel was a little thicker...front to back so I could get a better grip with my gorilla hands.
You mean "man hands," like that chick on Seinfeld. :D
Compared to our CR-V, the Pilot’s steering wheel grip feels much bigger. |
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| BlueRiverPilot |
| Yeah, like a big fat man's hands:2: |
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| eluwak |
Ok, I'll chime in a bit on this now:
- Front-Back adjustable headrests... VW has had them for 8 years.
- A frick'n rear view mirror that flips properly from day to night and back without having to adjust it.
- Make the liftgate go up another 4-6" so I don't hit my damn head on it all the time.
- Power liftgate. I can use the handle pretty good but sometimes I don't get it latched all the way and have to touch the outside which is always dirty.
- The cupholders are pitiful for the range of drink container sizes these days. Something designed for a soda can just doesn't cut it anymore.
- Integrate a trailer reciever and such on EX+ models.
- Install a secret button to turn off the damn TPMS.
- Make the middle row flip forward for better access to the rear.
- DRLs. Make it so the crazies can turn them off.
- Sunroof controls actually near the sunroof and one touch.
- Auto up/down for all four windows.
- Auto door locks. I don't like auto door unlocks so if you add them add a way to disable them.
- Hood struts.
- Venting rear quarter windows or a roll down rear window.
- Diesel engine.
That's all I can think of at the moment.
For those requesting a separate opening glass hatch would you actually use it? It's kinda high up to load anything with unless you want to stick a 2x4 out the back (we just leave the liftgate open a bit). |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by eluwak
- A frick'n rear view mirror that flips properly from day to night and back without having to adjust it.
electro-chromic accessory mirror works great.
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Originally posted by eluwak
- Make the liftgate go up another 4-6" so I don't hit my damn head on it all the time.
Then I wouldn’t be able to open the rear hatch inside the garage without hitting the bottom of the open garage door.
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Originally posted by eluwak
- The cupholders are pitiful for the range of drink container sizes these days. Something designed for a soda can just doesn't cut it anymore.
I guess I am lucky because I have never had a problem fitting my drinks in them.
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Originally posted by eluwak
For those requesting a separate opening glass hatch would you actually use it? It's kinda high up to load anything with unless you want to stick a 2x4 out the back (we just leave the liftgate open a bit).
If I parked it carefully enough, I might be able to open the rear hatch glass inside the garage without having to open the garage door. I can do this now with our CR-V. |
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| eluwak |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
electro-chromic accessory mirror works great.
So does a properly designed manual mirror.
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
Then I wouldn’t be able to open the rear hatch inside the garage without hitting the bottom of the open garage door.
Ours hits the door so it wouldn't matter to us. I've noticed that some doors go higher than others. We just carefully rest the liftgate on the rubber seal and it's not been a problem. On the other hand I am always hitting my head because it's too low when open. It might be possible to redesign the hatch so it could still open in your garage and be higher inside (it's really the bottom part of the hatch that's the problem here).
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
I guess I am lucky because I have never had a problem fitting my drinks in them.
I drink lot's of water in 1L bottles that don't fit. Many medium drinks from fast food chains don't fit. It seems like if it's not a soda bottle or a small drink it doesn't fit. And why make one slightly bigger than the other???
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
If I parked it carefully enough, I might be able to open the rear hatch glass inside the garage without having to open the garage door. I can do this now with our CR-V.
We can't even get behind our Pilot when it's in the garage, when it's in there. It's still pretty high up to reach in and do much. I had this feature on my exploder and it was really useless IMO. I envy your garage size :D |
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| Zarba |
We've had our Pilot for a month, and here's the list so far:
1) Rear hatch glass that opens separately from the hatch
2) Power rear hatch
3) Auxiliary iPod input (Can't be done on my 2007 EX-L)
4) Auto-Locking Doors
5) Auto-dimming rearview mirror Why a $30K vehicle doesn't have this standard is absurd)
6) 17" wheels
7) Power passenger seat
8) Memory driver's seat
9) Lighted Steering-Wheel controls
10) BlueTec Diesel engine |
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| BCinTX |
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Originally posted by 787_Pilot
10. Get rid of the annoying tight space I call the 'black hole' between the front seat cushions and the center console. I have pens, coins, french fries, chips, etc. that I've dropped in there that I still haven't been able to 'fish' out @!$@$
787_Pilot
One of the hints I learned here is to stuff a hand towel in each spot. It blocks the junk from going in there, and you have two emergency towels in easy reach. If you find a towel close to the interior color, it doesn't stand out, especially if you tuck them down a bit lower than the top of the cushion.
Alternatively, it's a pretty good place for a road atlas on a long trip. Not quite as fool proof for blocking stuff from going down, but it stops a lot. |
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| sjlee |
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Originally posted by eluwak
Ok, I'll chime in a bit on this now:
- Front-Back adjustable headrests... VW has had them for 8 years.
- A frick'n rear view mirror that flips properly from day to night and back without having to adjust it.
- Make the liftgate go up another 4-6" so I don't hit my damn head on it all the time.
- Power liftgate. I can use the handle pretty good but sometimes I don't get it latched all the way and have to touch the outside which is always dirty.
- The cupholders are pitiful for the range of drink container sizes these days. Something designed for a soda can just doesn't cut it anymore.
- Integrate a trailer reciever and such on EX+ models.
- Install a secret button to turn off the damn TPMS.
- Make the middle row flip forward for better access to the rear.
- DRLs. Make it so the crazies can turn them off.
- Sunroof controls actually near the sunroof and one touch.
- Auto up/down for all four windows.
- Auto door locks. I don't like auto door unlocks so if you add them add a way to disable them.
- Hood struts.
- Venting rear quarter windows or a roll down rear window.
- Diesel engine.
Raising the rear hatch would just make it harder for shorter people to close the hatch. If you're constantly bumping your head on the hatch, then maybe you just need to bend down a little lower?
Touching the exterior of the hatch isn't really that bothersome. You have to do the equivalent on all cars to close the trunk.
The middle row does flip and roll forward... at least on our 2005 it does.
Auto door locks? Is it really that hard to press the button to lock/unlock them? My problem with them is that there are times when I shut off the car, and I don't necessarily want the doors unlocked right away. |
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| eluwak |
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Originally posted by sjlee
Raising the rear hatch would just make it harder for shorter people to close the hatch. If you're constantly bumping your head on the hatch, then maybe you just need to bend down a little lower?
OMG you're a frick'n genious... I should have thought about that before! :rolleyes: Our Aerostar had a liftgate that went high enough and used a nice strap to close the door from the inside which hung down for those vertically challenged folk.
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Originally posted by sjlee
Touching the exterior of the hatch isn't really that bothersome. You have to do the equivalent on all cars to close the trunk.
But hatches/vans tend to get far dirtier than most other cars.
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Originally posted by sjlee
The middle row does flip and roll forward... at least on our 2005 it does.
It flips down and slides forward a little. Can I get back there? Sure but it's not a pretty sight. Now if the seat flipped forward a la CRV it would be much easier to get in and out of the back for all.
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Originally posted by sjlee
Auto door locks? Is it really that hard to press the button to lock/unlock them? My problem with them is that there are times when I shut off the car, and I don't necessarily want the doors unlocked right away.
Not hard, but almost every other car out there has this available it seems. Notice I mentioned that I didn't like the unlock but some folks do. |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by Zarba
We've had our Pilot for a month, and here's the list so far:
10) BlueTec Diesel engine
Why?? Honda already has a clean diesel in the works. Not sure if that includes a 6 cylinder, but I would not be surprised if they eventually release one for their larger truck/SUV's. That Mercedes version is nice, but you have to refill the urea/urine tank to keep the emissions clean. Honda's engine is just as clean without it. |
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| switch |
Honda Euro Accord 2.4L gas engine produces 214 g/km of CO2.
Honda Euro Accord 2.2L diesel engine produces 143 g/km of CO2.
That's a 33% reduction.
I'd like to try the Honda diesel engine. It also puts out 140HP and 220 ft-lb of torque while getting a combined 52 mpg. |
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| jimmyhauser |
| Hood shocks definitely. Remembered this yesterday when I was changing the oil. Prop rod on $30k suv.... :14: |
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| jimmyhauser |
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Originally posted by switch
I'd like to try the Honda diesel engine. It also puts out 140HP and 220 ft-lb of torque while getting a combined 52 mpg.
Not in a Pilot it wont.
I am sure the next gen Pilot will get a diesel at some point if gas prices stay where they are. Alot of next gen vehicles are going to be getting diesel options. |
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| switch |
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Originally posted by jimmyhauser
Not in a Pilot it wont.
I am sure the next gen Pilot will get a diesel at some point if gas prices stay where they are. Alot of next gen vehicles are going to be getting diesel options.
I was talking about the Euro Accord. If that engine option was offered here, I would have bought one. Diesel is about 15% to 20% cheaper than gas where I live. |
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| Erik |
I would like to see:
The Cruise Control power switch moved to the steering wheel with the other cruise control switches.
A latching function on the moon roof (one touch open/close) or possibly a beep at the end of travel. I don't think it is safe to turn my head and watch the moon roof when I am driving.
Auxiliary inputs for the audio control unit brought out. (It does have an aux button.)
All switches backlighted. |
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| ColKurtz |
1) Less road noise
2) Larger cell-phone holster in center console - my Treo won't fit.
3) Less road noise
4) Rear window should open in addition to rear hatch. Bonus points for being able to roll it down ala 4runners.
5) Less fugly stock rims
6) (nit) I'm used to driving with my left elbow on the driver-side window and my left hand on the wheel, but there's too much of a gap in the Pilot. Make the door trim stick out a little more or something.
7) Backlit cruise control buttons
8) Less road noise. |
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| rocky |
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Originally posted by switch
I'd like to try the Honda diesel engine. It also puts out 140HP and 220 ft-lb of torque while getting a combined 52 mpg.
The Honda 4 cylinder current Euro diesel doesn't cut it with the US emission regs. Thats why the unit is being heavily reworked.
Yes folks we've gone from the weakest diesel regs with the worst quality fuel to the toughest emission regs with same as Rest of world fuel.
The next gen 4cylinder diesel will appear in vehicles no larger than Element/Accord CRV. That will happen by 2009.
Honda's diesel emission system has already been well covered here, and is far simpler than the Bluetec system that is exclusive to BMW/MB/VW/Audi-who knows if Chrysler will join that group now.
Pilot MDX Ody V6 diesel are further out than 2009. |
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| switch |
quote:
Originally posted by ColKurtz
1) Less road noise
2) Larger cell-phone holster in center console - my Treo won't fit.
3) Less road noise
4) Rear window should open in addition to rear hatch. Bonus points for being able to roll it down ala 4runners.
5) Less fugly stock rims
7) Backlit cruise control buttons | | | |
