| JimB823 |
| Ok, I've got this going on. Has anybody had this happen and it not turn out to be the dieing tranny prob? |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by JimB823
Ok, I've got this going on. Has anybody had this happen and it not turn out to be the dieing tranny prob?
Lots of people.
It can be as little as a bad sensor or bad connection. |
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| JimB823 |
| Well it started on me, out of nowhere the D/drive light started flashing. Took it out of gear to neutral, the nuetral light comes on but the D light is still flashing. Pulled to the curb and shifted into park, the park light comes on but the D light is still flashing. Turned the engine off, let it sit 30 seconds, started it back up and everything is back to normal. Drove 1/2 a mile and it starts flashing again. By that time I'm about a mile form home so I drove on home and called 2 dealers. One says as long as its shifting ok and drives ok, bring it in and they will check the codes and see if there is a code in the computer. The other dealer says with it flashing I shouldn't risk driving it, have it towed to them (which would cost me about 200 bucks because its across town). Said screw it and drove it to the first dealer, which is much closer. They checked the codes and there was nothing. Checked tranny fluid and it was full and the right color. He says as long as it's shifting ok, drive it awhile and see if anythig else happens or the light comes on and stays on, or make an appointment to bring it in (they are booked until next week). Don't want to do yet. It's a certified car. Guess I'll give it a couple days. Oh btw, on the way to the dealer the light didn't blink the entire time. 3/4ths of the way home, it started flashing again |
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| aaronmp2315 |
| That also happens to me on D but i noticed that my fuel indicator was also flashing so i realized that it was also a warning for me to refuel. So when i did refuel the D stopped blinking. Hope we have the same issue. |
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| JimB823 |
| Hmmm, that would be weird. Nothing else is flashing on mine. Drives fine, acts ok except for that blinking light. Don't know, Guess I'll find out when I take it in but they are scheduling next week sometime. Really odd thing is that it started blinking in the same place on the same road both times |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
That's not all that's going on with my Pilot....
I have just over 900 miles on my '07, and I am getting the flashing shift indicator as well at the 'check engine' light.
I just picked the car up last week, brand new off the dealer's lot, with just 8 miles on the odometer.
I first got the lights this past Sunday, just after I filled the car with gas. I did not top the tank off, and I drove as I normally would. That day was mixed--highway driving and easy driving around town. The shift indicator flashed after I accelerated onto the highway, and the check engine light came on at the same time. I took it easy driving home, and parked the car. I parked, turned the engine off and removed the key. I then waited a few seconds, and started the car back up...no blinking shift indicator, but still had the check engine light. The check engine light was gone the next morning.
Monday I drove from Raleigh down to Atlanta with no problems--no blinking shift indicator, no check engine light. I stopped once to get gas...no problems. It wasn't until Monday night--I accelerated hard from a dead stop to see if I would have a problem, and sure enough...the same lights.
I filled the car with gas, came back to the house for a while, then got in to drive to work, no lights.
I got in the car to drive home tonight and as soon as I put the car into reverse to back out of a parking space--I got the check engine light. I took it easy driving home, and took off (gently) from a stop light, and I get the blinking shift indicator.
Anyone seeing these problems?? Anyone?? |
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| rocky |
N_jay's response is likely on the money, but suggest posters put the MY of their vehicles in any posts. See if we can spot a trend.
It could be as simple as a bad sensor, or even the cars computers "booting up" incorrectly. |
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| JimB823 |
Well if MY = model year, mine's a 2003
Good idea too |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
OK--put the car in the shop this morning...
Sat around for about 90 minutes and the service advisor says it looks like the problem is a bad shift range sensor. The tech had a bunch more diagnostic stuff to get through, but in the interim, that's what it looks like.
Honda is overnighting the part, and hopefully, we'll be back on the road tomorrow.
In the meantime, I'm rolling in a Chevy Silverado crew cab rental....yee hah. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Got a call from the dealership....
The sensor was okay....they did a software swap with the transmission module and the car is being road tested. They're gonna keep it overnight and test it again in the morning (since the lights were sporadic).
It sounds like things should be good. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Service just called!!
They tested things again this morning, even with the computer hooked up to the car.
Everything appears to be fine.
All they did was just re-initialize the software. They drove the car 18 miles and had no problems, so that should do it.:29: |
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| TheEaglePilot |
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Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
All they did was just re-initialize the software. They drove the car 18 miles and had no problems, so that should do it.:29:
Kind of amazing that now we have to re-boot our cars to solve problems. And I'm not that old.
Maybe your dealer will upgrade you to Vista Ultimate for free to compensate you for your hassle. ;)
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Yeah, I'm a Mac guy....so if this transmission has an intel processor, I'd be in business!!
Funny that they couldn't just CTRL+ALT+DEL, huh?:2: |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Okay....I spoke too soon.
Leaving work tonight....put the key in the ignition, started the car, pulled the lever towards me and BAM!!
Got both lights again....this is killing me!!
Well, I'm afraid it's back to the dealer in the morning!! :rolleyes: :3: |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Well, I am now on my fourth visit to the dealer!!
They replaced the shift range indicator last Thursday and kept the car overnight to test it on Friday, no problems.
I drove the car to work, drove it home and parked it. Got up early Saturday morning and drove to the airport, parked the car--no problems.
Got the car from the airport Monday morning, drove to work, no problems. Monday night--leaving work--BAM! Check engine/flashing shift indicator. So much for the software re-install/shift range sensor replacement!!
I called the dealer where I got the car from in North Carolina, and their techs are checking around to see if anyone else has run into the same problem. So far, no takers.
I've owned six Volkswagens, a Nissan and two Honda products (a Honda Element and an Acura CL 2.3), and my Pilot is the only one that has given me problems right out of the box. My car only has 1700 miles on it, and I just made the first payment!!!
I've already looked at the North Carolina Lemon Law statute--if this keeps up, I'll be a candidate for it. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
Well, I am now on my fourth visit to the dealer!!
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I've already looked at the North Carolina Lemon Law statute--if this keeps up, I'll be a candidate for it.
I hate intermittent problems.
There is just no way to tell if it is fixed. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Tell me about it....
The only sure thing is that they'll come and get that sucker if I don't pay for it!! |
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| Cape_Breton |
We purchased a 2003 Pilot and noticed 2 things immediately: sporadic flashing Drive indicator (not easily reproducable) and SRS light came on (curiously enough right at the dealer during a check-up).
Dealer initially could not locate any codes for the flashing "D" and plead the "cannot replicate" case, but eventually i drove it into the dealership while it was flashing and they diagnosed it as a bad temperate sensor in the transmission and replaced it under extended warranty. No more problems with that. Service rep indicated that this was something of a well known issue...
2 SRS sensors were also replaced to correct that problem.
Now if only i could figure out the latest problem: Why the horn and lights stated flashing for no apparent reason several times i'd be a happy Honda customer. Try getting that one replicated sitting at the dealer! |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Hmmm....a bad temperature sensor in the trans caused the shift light?
That would probably make sense in my case, and I'm sure that triggers the check engine light, too.
I'm gonna send an e-mail to my service writer and tell her about it.
Thanks for the info!!
But one other thing--did yours flash while driving? Because mine seems to come on after the car has been sitting, and for whatever reason, only at night. |
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| JimB823 |
Well I started this thread but havent been back because..... I drove it to the dealer and they checked for a computer code and found nothing. He asked if it was driving/shifting strangely and I said no, can't tell a difference. So he said go ahead and drive it and if it happens again or acts strangely then bring it back. So far, nothing. Hasn't come on again and no odd shifting or anything.
But, and this has nothing to do with it, one time I came to a stop and heard a hissing sound that was coming from/near the brake pedal. Take my foot off the brake and it stopped. Put my foot back one the brake and when I pushed hard I'd hear a contant hissing sound like a tire with a decent sized hole that was leaking air. Drove to the next light and stopped and heard nothing. And havent since. I dunno. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
A hissing sound?? That is straight up weird!!!
Well, I had a pleasant (it really was!!) converstation with a woman at Honda's Customer Service center last night...
She told me that I would probably have to wait out the lemon law period, then when I am ready, call them and a case manager would look into everything. She said that given everything that has happened, I would probably be looking at a buyback, but we shall see about that one!!
I told her that I traded my 2004 Element EX with 110k miles for this Pilot, and that I basically drove the hell out of that Element with absolutely -no- problems. I actually felt bad trading that car in, too, but I can't believe that my Pilot is spending so much time in the shop already.
She also said that at 1700 miles none of these things should be happening (of course not!), and that with a car so new, they would do everything they can to make things right.
She also said that they would not like to lose me as a customer, so they will do what they can.
I sent that e-mail to the service writer, and I haven't heard anything from her.....yet. I'll probably swing by there on my way to work, since it's right around the corner. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Oh---
The service writer just called: they must have diagnosed the hell out of this thing.
It's been narrowed down to a bad circuit board in the speedometer cluster!!
This diagnosis should be "the one."
Honda has the part locally and they will deliver this afternoon, and I should have the car back tomorrow.
I'll keep you posted!! |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
Okay...finally!!
They replaced the whole gauge cluster--the circuit board was the problem, and now it is FINALLY corrected.
I took a road trip up to Northern VA over the weekend with absolutely no problems whatsoever. |
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| GreenMachine |
Great to hear they finally solved it!
Did that include the odometer, and if so, did they program it to your current mileage? |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
| Yeah, they had to replace the odometer too, and they did have to put the mileage back in there. |
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| nojeep |
| Had the same problem intermitently. Brought it in for routine (60k) service and had the dealer look at it. They "pulled code p1740 for 4th pressure switch failure"...actually there was no actual failure but there was low voltage in the switch. Replaced it parts and labor $326.21. Have driven almost 500 miles with no recurrence. The good news is that it would have probably failed to shift into 4th gear eventually-the bad news...326.21. |
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| Erik |
| It must be the PDRS (Payment Due Reminder System). |
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| robflys |
I have the same problem with my '04 Pilot. They replaced the 4th switch sensor (whatever its called) and it does the same thing (blinking drive light). They said they have to replace the transmission... It is under warranty and they're paying for my rental car until it's done.
The Pilot has 30,000 miles on it and it's always been serviced at the same dealer.
Maybe I should tell them about the instrument cluster fix? Anyone out there have their transmission replaced? |
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| kaybee |
| Me too - just had this problem diagnosed today. Car running fine but "D" shift light blinking. Part is on order, should be in next week. Somethink like $370 to fix. Ouch. |
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| ace |
| All this honda transmission problems is getting me really worried. My pilot, because of grade logic, I think, likes to downshift to slow the car down. But it would do it really abruptly. I hope honda extends their tranny warranty. |
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| SimonS2k |
My '04 with 45k miles is now experiencing this problem. I wonder if you use non-Honda ATF, such as Dexron III could create this problem. The manual indicates it being okay to use but may affect shift quality. It seems to drive fine/feels normal except for the "D" blinking.
I've had the tranny fluid changed multiple times to keep the fluid clean and hoping to have a "trouble free" tranny. I guess not. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by SimonS2k
My '04 with 45k miles is now experiencing this problem. I wonder if you use non-Honda ATF, such as Dexron III could create this problem. The manual indicates it being okay to use but may affect shift quality. It seems to drive fine/feels normal except for the "D" blinking.
I've had the tranny fluid changed multiple times to keep the fluid clean and hoping to have a "trouble free" tranny. I guess not.
I think it tells you to use Dexron only temporarily, but I could be wrong.
Get the tranny changed back to Honda fluid, and get the code pulled so you know what the problem is. |
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| deparson |
Our 2005 Pilot with 56000 miles just started having the blinking D issue.
This is after, in a weeks time, the NAV computer was replaced, the front crash impact sensors replaced, and new battery installed all under extended HondaCare. The dealer has been great which is a plus.
The whole transmission in our 02 TL-S failed so I am not having much luck with Honda products! |
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| Manda0823 |
05 Pilot with approx 52k miles on it with this sporadic Blinking D thing. It is holding no codes at this time. All service done by Honda Techs and it continues to drive fine. Tranny fluid checked/changed at 45k service. Honda fluids used.
Only thing in common is that it has happened either at night when the car had sat for a while and it was cool and damp, or the most recent time when it was first thing in the morning, pre-dawn hours as us suburanites in the ATL have to get up at the predawn hours to do that commute to work, and it was damp and chilly that morning. Drove into work and it didn't stop blinking. Got to work, shut it off, and then waited 5 minutes and cranked it back up and it was not blinking any more.
Otherwise, it drives fine, no noises, and/or shifting issues. Just annoying as the dickens and trying to find out what might be causing it. |
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| boyfester |
I just had the same problem come up on a camping trip with 51,720 miles on our 2005 Pilot. We were going down a steep grade in 2nd when I noticed the D light blinking. I looked over and the transmission light was on. I pulled over to a flat area and turned off engine. Checked fluids which were ok. I had just changed the engine and trans fluids at 51000 miles. I started the engine, put it in "D" and trans light still on but no blinking "D" light. I downshifted to "D3" and after a couple of minutes the "D" light started blinking again. Again, I turned off engine. I restarted and left in "D" until reached dealer in Santa Barbara (3 hours from home). The dealer told me that it would probably be ok if light was not blinking while in "D" so we drove it all the way home and it never blinked although the trans light was on the entire trip home.
I started it the next day and the trans light was off. I left it in "D" and took it to the Power Honda dealer in Costa Mesa. The car ran fine all the way there with no lights coming on. The mechanic drove the car and downshifted and was able to replicate the problem in "D3" and "2". Whew. When the dealer hoisted the car up, I still had a lot of dried mud under the car from a trip a month ago. They told me that the shift indicator hardware was shorted out. They had to remove quite a bit of dried mud to get at it but found that moisture had got through the heavy-duty seals (as this indicator is just by the left front wheel and would see all kinds of moisture if driving the car in the rain). The mechanic told me that he took apart the unit and dried everything and retested and the unit was still shorted out. The cost is going to be $350 and they said my extended warranty does not cover it because the car has been off-road. What!!! Hearing that, I am still debating if I should replace the unit myself for $50 (part cost) but if after reading about all these other responses on this problem, I'm wondering if I should have them pay for it in case it comes back.
Nonetheless, I am completely cleaning this car and never taking it off road again! I can't believe this! Wouldn't a car become totally soaked with dirt if driven in the snow just in a wintry city; not being taken off-road? Or just driven in the rain? What does the undercarriage of a car look like during the winter? I live in sunny California so please let me know. Also, when I did take it off-road a month ago and coated it with mud, I never had this problem nor on any previous trips to Colorado, Utah, etc and it has been coated over and over with mud (see Gallery pix). Wasn't there old Honda Pilot advertisements with the car all dirty/muddy? If anyone has these, I want to send them to Customer Service for false advertising.
With all the other responses, I'm worried that this might be something totally different. |
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| deparson |
Do you have HondaCare? There is nothing in my HondaCare contract that say you can't drive 'off road'. And, did you tell them you were not on a road? There are plenty of dirt/gravel roads in the world.
I think the only way out for them would be if the damage was due to a road hazard like a rock damaging the radiator, etc.
I would take it to another dealer.
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Originally posted by boyfester
I just had the same problem come up on a camping trip with 51,720 miles on our 2005 Pilot. We were going down a steep grade in 2nd when I noticed the D light blinking. I looked over and the transmission light was on. I pulled over to a flat area and turned off engine. Checked fluids which were ok. I had just changed the engine and trans fluids at 51000 miles. I started the engine, put it in "D" and trans light still on but no blinking "D" light. I downshifted to "D3" and after a couple of minutes the "D" light started blinking again. Again, I turned off engine. I restarted and left in "D" until reached dealer in Santa Barbara (3 hours from home). The dealer told me that it would probably be ok if light was not blinking while in "D" so we drove it all the way home and it never blinked although the trans light was on the entire trip home.
I started it the next day and the trans light was off. I left it in "D" and took it to the Power Honda dealer in Costa Mesa. The car ran fine all the way there with no lights coming on. The mechanic drove the car and downshifted and was able to replicate the problem in "D3" and "2". Whew. When the dealer hoisted the car up, I still had a lot of dried mud under the car from a trip a month ago. They told me that the shift indicator hardware was shorted out. They had to remove quite a bit of dried mud to get at it but found that moisture had got through the heavy-duty seals (as this indicator is just by the left front wheel and would see all kinds of moisture if driving the car in the rain). The mechanic told me that he took apart the unit and dried everything and retested and the unit was still shorted out. The cost is going to be $350 and they said my extended warranty does not cover it because the car has been off-road. What!!! Hearing that, I am still debating if I should replace the unit myself for $50 (part cost) but if after reading about all these other responses on this problem, I'm wondering if I should have them pay for it in case it comes back.
Nonetheless, I am completely cleaning this car and never taking it off road again! I can't believe this! Wouldn't a car become totally soaked with dirt if driven in the snow just in a wintry city; not being taken off-road? Or just driven in the rain? What does the undercarriage of a car look like during the winter? I live in sunny California so please let me know. Also, when I did take it off-road a month ago and coated it with mud, I never had this problem nor on any previous trips to Colorado, Utah, etc and it has been coated over and over with mud (see Gallery pix). Wasn't there old Honda Pilot advertisements with the car all dirty/muddy? If anyone has these, I want to send them to Customer Service for false advertising.
With all the other responses, I'm worried that this might be something totally different.
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| boyfester |
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Originally posted by deparson
Do you have HondaCare? There is nothing in my HondaCare contract that say you can't drive 'off road'. And, did you tell them you were not on a road? There are plenty of dirt/gravel roads in the world.
I think the only way out for them would be if the damage was due to a road hazard like a rock damaging the radiator, etc.
I would take it to another dealer.
Yes I do. I just looked through it and you are right. It does state it will not cover items that are due to "negligence; misuse or abuse (e.g. overloading, racing, competitive driving activities, or snow plowing)..." I was doing none of these. Even better, on the cover of the pamphlet for Honda Care it shows a picture of muddy Ridgeline truck which is much muddier than my Pilot was. |
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| GreenMachine |
| Honda should cover that repair. Off roading could be defined as leaving a paved surface. I'm sure there are lots who live off dirt road, but they would not consider that offroading. Rockcrawling, that's a different story. |
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| PWHMAINE |
I've got an 04 EX with 97K miles, and also have the flashing D indicator problem. Reading the thread, it seems to be hit or miss diagnosing the cause.
In my case, the D begins to flash at random moments, usually after driving ten or fifteen minutes. If I pull over and re-start the car, the flashing goes away. Later it will start up again, sometimes the same day, sometimes two or three days later.
The car has no driveability issues. The transmission has been well-maintained and runs smoothly. My scan tool doesn't pick up any DTC codes. But the flashing D keeps coming back.
I've brought it to the dealer, and they said they would need to hold it for a day or two to see if they could replicate the problem. But without a DTC code, they'd be doing a hit or miss approach, too, which could lead to major $$$ spent and no resolution. I've thought of changing out some of the sensors on a trial and error basis, but that could be an exercise in frustration and futility.
Any thoughts? |
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| CMasten |
My understanding is that the Pilot stores the DTC error codes so the dealership can retreive them without having to replicate it.
I know for my TPMS issue they just pulled the codes out, didnt need it to be replicated to fix it. the History actually showed that Two of the sensors needed to be replaced. |
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| PWHMAINE |
Thanks for the reply, but what if there aren't any DTC codes stored (which is my case)?
More to the point, can I assume that if my Actron code scanner indicates that there aren't any DTC codes stored, that this is true? Has anyone heard of codes that are hidden except when retrieved using a Honda's dealer's proprietary scanner? |
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| PWHMAINE |
I went to the dealer today and got the flashing D diagnosed and corrected. As my previous post indicated, no DTC codes appeared when I connected my scanner ... however, the more comprehensive scanner used by the dealer (the $1,000 version) identified the problem as the 4th clutch pressure switch. I don't know why DTC P1740 didn't show up in my scanner ... but regardless, $200 later the car was fixed.
The part is real easy to install ... about as hard as changing a spark plug ... but without the code I'd be working blindly. It's kind of frustrating that a consumer level scanner ($100) won't pick up all the DTC codes. |
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| boyfester |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
Honda should cover that repair. Off roading could be defined as leaving a paved surface. I'm sure there are lots who live off dirt road, but they would not consider that offroading. Rockcrawling, that's a different story.
Just to let everyone know, HondaCare fixed my problem at no charge. I did not even have to pay for the hook up to the module that plugs into the car's computer (~$100 cost). The total bill would have been around $400.
The problem was diagnosed as the transmission range swtch and sub-harness. The sensor and sub-harness had moisture in it. The dealer believed it was from mud but as my Pilot has been caked by mud over and over for years, I think it was from the hi-pressure sprayer when I cleaned the chassis after our last trip. I know I was spraying around the wheel wells quite a bit and this is where the switch is.
What a relief! |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by boyfester
Just to let everyone know, HondaCare fixed my problem at no charge. I did not even have to pay for the hook up to the module that plugs into the car's computer (~$100 cost). The total bill would have been around $400.
The problem was diagnosed as the transmission range swtch and sub-harness. The sensor and sub-harness had moisture in it. The dealer believed it was from mud but as my Pilot has been caked by mud over and over for years, I think it was from the hi-pressure sprayer when I cleaned the chassis after our last trip. I know I was spraying around the wheel wells quite a bit and this is where the switch is.
What a relief!
Good to hear you got it fixed and at no charge to you. :4: |
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| mr2gator |
| 05 EXL Navi added to the mix with 69,000 miles. THe flashing D indicator every few days. Sounds like it is a wait and see, or spend $$ to replace some faulty switches. PLease keep the replies coming in case there is a breakthrough in the cause. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by mr2gator
05 EXL Navi added to the mix with 69,000 miles. THe flashing D indicator every few days. Sounds like it is a wait and see, or spend $$ to replace some faulty switches. PLease keep the replies coming in case there is a breakthrough in the cause.
Get it checked and fixed A bad sensor can send the wrong signals and cause additional clutch wear. |
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| THonda |
| Just got back from the dealer with this problem happening for the last couple of days. $187 later ($110 Diag + $77 Part), I decided to DIY. Plan to do it tonight. I let you know how it goes. |
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| THonda |
All is well. Wasn't that bad of a job to change. Sorry I forgot to mention earlier, but the code came up as a P1740 (4th clutch pressure switch). I'll drive and see if that did the trick.
2004 EX. 83,8_ _ Mi. |
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| pilotga |
| I have a 04 pilot with the drive indicator flashing. Saw many posts on teh subject but never saw conclusion of what was found to correct the problem? |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by pilotga
I have a 04 pilot with the drive indicator flashing. Saw many posts on teh subject but never saw conclusion of what was found to correct the problem?
HELLO!!!!!!
It means there is an error code from some part of the transmission.
It can be one of probably hundreds of different things.
Gets your looked at and have the hopefully minor problem corrected before you wear out or break something expensive. |
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| pilotga |
| My wife is in route back home and has about another 125 miles to go and the shift indicator light is on ..... everything seems to be working fine, so I hope she will be able to make it home without becoming stranded or doing too much damage to the tranny .......... |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by pilotga
My wife is in route back home and has about another 125 miles to go and the shift indicator light is on ..... everything seems to be working fine, so I hope she will be able to make it home without becoming stranded or doing too much damage to the tranny ..........
Did it just come on?
Your post made it sound like it had been on a while.
Have her drive "gently" if that is all you can do.
I would have her stop and have the ATF level checked, but I bet it is not a level issue. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
When my indicator light flashed, the dealer had to replace my gauge cluster because supposedly, it had a bad chip in it.
That solved the problem, but now I'm getting a check engine light along with the triangle/exclamation point and the VSA light comes on. Of course, this happens sporadically and it's lilke the throttle suddenly becomes disconnected from the car. Press the gas, nothing happens. I have to pull over, put the car in park and shut it off. After I restart, the other lights go off, but the check engine light stays on until the system cycles itself. The dealer says that it's a throttle body sensor that is giving the fault code. At this point, I am shopping around for another car.
I just hope that I don't have this problem while in traffic, because it's a sure bet for getting rear-ended. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
When my indicator light flashed, the dealer had to replace my gauge cluster because supposedly, it had a bad chip in it.
That solved the problem, but now I'm getting a check engine light along with the triangle/exclamation point and the VSA light comes on. Of course, this happens sporadically and it's lilke the throttle suddenly becomes disconnected from the car. Press the gas, nothing happens. I have to pull over, put the car in park and shut it off. After I restart, the other lights go off, but the check engine light stays on until the system cycles itself. The dealer says that it's a throttle body sensor that is giving the fault code. At this point, I am shopping around for another car.
I just hope that I don't have this problem while in traffic, because it's a sure bet for getting rear-ended.
How many miles are in the car?
Why don't you just get it fixed? |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
I have just over 41,000 on the clock right now.
I think that if someone could actually correctly diagnose the problem and fix it for good, I'd be more interested in keeping the car. But everytime a problem arises, getting things taken care of is a crap shoot. I guess that could be the same for a lot service departments, but for a Honda to have issues beginning at 1800 miles and get progressively worse, is a big problem. Especially when I traded my problem-free Element with 110,000 miles for a brand new Pilot. The main thing that worries me about this issue is flying along on the highway, in traffic, and having the same problem. Then, it becomes a safety issue.
BTW--the throttle body issue was the service department's best guess based on whatever code the system showed. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
I have just over 41,000 on the clock right now.
I think that if someone could actually correctly diagnose the problem and fix it for good, I'd be more interested in keeping the car. But everytime a problem arises, getting things taken care of is a crap shoot. I guess that could be the same for a lot service departments, but for a Honda to have issues beginning at 1800 miles and get progressively worse, is a big problem. Especially when I traded my problem-free Element with 110,000 miles for a brand new Pilot. The main thing that worries me about this issue is flying along on the highway, in traffic, and having the same problem. Then, it becomes a safety issue.
BTW--the throttle body issue was the service department's best guess based on whatever code the system showed.
Seems like you have had two problems, that may or may not be related.
That does not sound like "issues beginning at 1800 miles and get progressively worse".
Have you tried asking another Honda dealer? Some are better than others. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
| Yes, in fact, I have been to three different dealers. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
Yes, in fact, I have been to three different dealers.
Did they all say the same thing?
Exactly what problems have you had?
BTW, how long has this been happening?
I would pursue having it fixed under warrantee. |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
That is my point:
The first repair was under warranty at 1800 miles.
This new problem is possibly still covered under the warranty of the first repair (as in the parts, etc. warrantied for the life of the car), but the car itself is now out of warranty, since it now has 41,000 miles. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
That is my point:
The first repair was under warranty at 1800 miles.
This new problem is possibly still covered under the warranty of the first repair (as in the parts, etc. warrantied for the life of the car), but the car itself is now out of warranty, since it now has 41,000 miles.
Yes, but it up to you to take it in.
Ignoring it will not hep you get service.
It may or may not be the same issue.
When did it first show up? |
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| Mikeyb88122 |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Yes, but it up to you to take it in.
Ignoring it will not hep you get service.
It may or may not be the same issue.
When did it first show up?
I know all of that, and I have taken the car in for service, which I mentioned in my previous posts. I haven't ignored the problem because if nothing else, I don't want to get rear-ended. I mentioned that in the previous posts. I know that this problem might or might not be the same issue, since it's been going on for the last three months. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Mikeyb88122
I know all of that, and I have taken the car in for service, which I mentioned in my previous posts. I haven't ignored the problem because if nothing else, I don't want to get rear-ended. I mentioned that in the previous posts. I know that this problem might or might not be the same issue, since it's been going on for the last three months.
Sorry, but it very hard to tell what you have tried and when from your posts. |
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| pilotga |
| OK the dealer replaced 4th gear pressure switch - code P1740. They also said I needed a FULL flush and refill tranny service so I said go ahead. I had only changed my tranny fluid once at 30k and we are at 73k now. So $400 buckaroos later, we're back on the road. |
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| 05exlowner |
AHH! My 2005 Pilot EX-L Started doing this today!! Hopefully it ends up being a cheap fix (that actually works.) Hopefully it is.....:3: :3: :3:
Ill keep updating this thread as we progress..... |
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| kuago |
| I was driving our 03 PILOT-56696 miles only, from VA back home, NY. When suddenly D indicator started blinking. I was driving a hwy speed. I slowed down and exited went to a gas station wtih a level ground. stop the car. Checked the tranny fluid which is fine. Started the car. pilot is fine again. 110miles later north of DC area. D indicator start blinking again. at a hwy speed, it started blinking around 80 mph when I applied more gas. Exited again and look for a gas station. Stop the car and wait again. Start the pilot it was fine again. I decide to drive at around 65-70mph no hard acceleration. From Marlyland,Delaware, NJ and NY. D indicator never flash or blink. Thank God! I have my OBDM unit. When to checked it no code showed up, while we were at Baltimore. It took us 9 hrs to get home. We made it home with no D inidicator blinking after that. I went to Htgtn. Honda to check the Pilot the following day. They checked the car no code showed up and test drove the car no code and they did not find any problem. What should I do? I just change the tranny fluid around 46000 miles. Should I change it and drive it again. I am getting worried. :confused: |
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| N_Jay |
Change the fluid, and keep an eye on it.
Almost sounds like a sticky valve or pressure switch.
Try to catch the code. |
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| PWHMAINE |
| Your symptoms sound just like the ones I had ... and my scan reader couldn't pull a code either. If it were me, I'd just change out the 4th gear pressure switch ... which appears to be a common failure ... and see what happens. It's not difficult to change ... about as hard as changing a spark plug ... but if you don't feel up to the task have the dealer change it. |
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| 05exlowner |
quote:
Originally posted by 05exlowner
AHH! My 2005 Pilot EX-L Started doing this today!! Hopefully it ends up being a cheap fix (that actually works.) Hopefully it is.....:3: :3: :3:
Ill keep updating this thread as we progress.....
Just as an update to my last post, they initially determined it was the "3rd gear pressure switch", then, upon taking it in today, they couldnt reproduce the problem (of course), and just did its scheduled maintenance. Hopefully its okay now, but im not holding my breath.... |
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| deparson |
I finally got my Pilot in with the D was flashing and it turned out to be the 3rd gear pressure switch.
They also found my rear shocks where shot.
About $600 total all covered under HondaCare.
It looks like when they replace the pressure switch they have to drain the trans which saved me a drain/fill service! |
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| kuago |
quote:
Originally posted by kuago
I was driving our 03 PILOT-56696 miles only, from VA back home, NY. When suddenly D indicator started blinking. I was driving a hwy speed. I slowed down and exited went to a gas station wtih a level ground. stop the car. Checked the tranny fluid which is fine. Started the car. pilot is fine again. 110miles later north of DC area. D indicator start blinking again. at a hwy speed, it started blinking around 80 mph when I applied more gas. Exited again and look for a gas station. Stop the car and wait again. Start the pilot it was fine again. I decide to drive at around 65-70mph no hard acceleration. From Marlyland,Delaware, NJ and NY. D indicator never flash or blink. Thank God! I have my OBDM unit. When to checked it no code showed up, while we were at Baltimore. It took us 9 hrs to get home. We made it home with no D inidicator blinking after that. I went to Htgtn. Honda to check the Pilot the following day. They checked the car no code showed up and test drove the car no code and they did not find any problem. What should I do? I just change the tranny fluid around 46000 miles. Should I change it and drive it again. I am getting worried. :confused:
UPDATE-08-2-08
It happen again to me, over the weekend the D indicator start blinking, on the way to the Poconos, PA. I immediately drove it straight to the dealer. HH, NY. The acceleration is abit sluggish and it doesn't down shift too. They (HH) diagnosed & drove test my PILOT and the found what was wrong. Its the Auto-Trasmission Pressure switch "A", they changed the part# 28600-P7Z-003 5234489-28999 switch oil pressure and #90471-PW7-A00 4136248-91810 gasket (10)mm. We waited with my family for 1-1/2 hour later its fixed and on the way to PA. Thank God it was covered by the extended warranty. The Pilot is running great again. I am very happy on the way HH (Huntington Honda) service manager and their shop handle the issue and had it fix right away. Thanks for Alex T.
PS. I checked the PILOT while the D indicator is blinking while waiting in the car at the dealer, but my diagnostic reader showed nothings wrong with the car, no code. But when the dealer check it they found code 163:) :) |
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| boostmiser |
Happened to my wife's Pilot today. Somewhere around 60K+ miles on it. I'll do it myself if I can get the part but I also have en extended warranty.
I'm thinking there should be some type of TSB / Recall on these pressure switches. Seems like a very common problem. |
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| Windy City Mike |
| Happened to me at 95,000 miles yesterday. Took it to dealer today and it was diagnosed as a faulty 4th clutch pressure switch. Replaced under my Hondacare warranty. Hope everything else goes wrong in the next 5,000 mile before the warrenty expires. |
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| grdprx |
Mine started blinking today. Looks like 4 or 5 have said it's the 4th clutch pressure switch. Couple mentioned the 3rd switch.
Sounds like I change the 4th, and if it doesn't fix it, try the 3rd? |
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| asianchinotyper |
| so i just bought this 04 pilot with 75k miles on it. when i was test driving the car i didnt notice the light blinking. for me the light only comes on with highway speeds. my question is since this is a transmission problem can i just bring it to a tranmission shop? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by asianchinotyper
so i just bought this 04 pilot with 75k miles on it. when i was test driving the car i didnt notice the light blinking. for me the light only comes on with highway speeds. my question is since this is a transmission problem can i just bring it to a tranmission shop?
You might have better luck should you try to get Honda to pick up some of the costs if you take it to Honda.
If you take it to a trans shop, make sure it is one that REALLY knows Hondas. |
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| asianchinotyper |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
You might have better luck should you try to get Honda to pick up some of the costs if you take it to Honda.
If you take it to a trans shop, make sure it is one that REALLY knows Hondas.
im most likely going to a honda dealer, but i hate how they are going to charge you if they dont solve the problem. since i just got this car i think its best i bring it to honda anyway |
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| deparson |
The flashing D can mean any number of things including a failing pressure switch.
You need to have the ODBCII codes pulled and looked up to understand where to start.
-D
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Originally posted by grdprx
Mine started blinking today. Looks like 4 or 5 have said it's the 4th clutch pressure switch. Couple mentioned the 3rd switch.
Sounds like I change the 4th, and if it doesn't fix it, try the 3rd?
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by deparson
The flashing D can mean any number of things including a failing pressure switch.
You need to have the ODBCII codes pulled and looked up to understand where to start.
-D
Many aftermarket ODB readers don't pull transmission error codes. |
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| asianchinotyper |
| 4th pressure plate replaced by honda dealershop |
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| LouG |
I'm hoping that someone will glance at this old thread and lend their $0.02.
Our '03 Pilot EX has 82K miles and, except for a bad door lock mechanism and a couple bad struts (both very weird for any Honda product), we've been okay. I am however extremely worried that Ijust came across this thread for the first time today and that I did not take the extended warranty upon its initial purchase. I do however remember taking the car to a new dealer when we moved to St. Louis from Chicago, and they did something to the transmission cooler lines (of that makes any sense) that I believe was under recall of TSB.
My question to the forum is this: does it make sense to just go ahead and pay the $200-$300 for a new 4th gear pressure switch and call it a preventive maintennance move? I've always been spot on with tranny and rear diff fluid changes, but it doesn't appear from this thread's history that fluid changes are the night and day solution in this case. It's my wife's car until later in '09 when I take it, so I want to make sure she and my 2 kids are taken care of when on the road. |
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| asianchinotyper |
quote:
Originally posted by LouG
My question to the forum is this: does it make sense to just go ahead and pay the $200-$300 for a new 4th gear pressure switch and call it a preventive maintennance move? I've always been spot on with tranny and rear diff fluid changes, but it doesn't appear from this thread's history that fluid changes are the night and day solution in this case. It's my wife's car until later in '09 when I take it, so I want to make sure she and my 2 kids are taken care of when on the road.
here is my 0.02, i dont think it is neccessary to do this pressure plate change. first reason is i found that there is multiple causes indicating the flashing D. it may be either the 3rd gear OR 4th gear. my second reason is my experience with this BLINKING D had no effect on my driving at all when it initiated the blinking D. |
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