| N_Jay |
http://www.sciencentral.com/article...le_id=218393065
"Another student could use a computer, and it would be fine. But if Joe was on it, weird things started to happen," said Marie Yerdon, computer lab teacher at Lura Sharp Elementary School in Pulaski, NY. "I think there's something in his body chemistry, something in his makeup, that causes the computers to go haywire."
What the heck was this person doing teaching in a computer lab. She should have been sent back to art or music or wherever she came from! |
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| scuba steve |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
What the heck was this person doing teaching in a computer lab. She should have been sent back to art or music or wherever she came from!
do you see any irony in your comments related to your title? |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by scuba steve
do you see any irony in your comments related to your title?
No, but I am sure you will enlighten us. |
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| Sportymonk |
Here is some more info. Some will think its funny. Teachers will tell you there is nothing funny about it, its the truth.
The Football Version of What is Going on in Education.
(If you're not an educator, this may not make a lot of sense to you. But send it to your friends who are in education. They will love it--and it's not too far off from reality.) For all educators in or out of the system...
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ---The Football Version
1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.
2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!
3. Talented players will be asked to work out on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren't interested in football, have limited athletic ability, or whose parents don't like football.
4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th game. It will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Here is some more info. Some will think its funny. Teachers will tell you there is nothing funny about it, its the truth.
The Football Version of What is Going on in Education.
(If you're not an educator, this may not make a lot of sense to you. But send it to your friends who are in education. They will love it--and it's not too far off from reality.) For all educators in or out of the system...
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ---The Football Version
1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.
2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!
3. Talented players will be asked to work out on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren't interested in football, have limited athletic ability, or whose parents don't like football.
4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th game. It will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals.
Looks like an excuse made up by a teacher who would rather b!tch about the program, than teach! |
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| Bill Balmer |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
What the heck was this person doing teaching in a computer lab. She should have been sent back to art or music or wherever she came from!
Looks like somebody didn't make the band when he was a kid.
This explains a lot. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Balmer
Looks like somebody didn't make the band when he was a kid.
This explains a lot.
Nope, didnt play an instrument, didn't try out, didn't make it. (obviously)
And don't care much if music (or art) teachers believes in "mystic" properties. |
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| ramirami |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
Nope, didnt play an instrument, didn't try out, didn't make it. (obviously)
And don't care much if music (or art) teachers believes in "mystic" properties.
why do you keep insisting its music or art ??
what about teachers of Intelligent design.. ?? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
why do you keep insisting its music or art ??
what about teachers of Intelligent design.. ??
You seem to be taking my comment overly narrowly.
As for ID, maybe you are once again confused about my opinion on the topic. |
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| ramirami |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
You seem to be taking my comment overly narrowly.
I did not the first time you said it... you repeated it and thats when I commented...
what is wrong with that the teacher said.. she basically said something was causing the computers to go haywire.. so she put a static strap on him....
no like the teachers have time to investigate even if she was so inclined.. remember they need make sure the kids pass their "no kids left behind" exams |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
I did not the first time you said it... you repeated it and thats when I commented...
It was only repeated as part of the same conversation.
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Originally posted by ramirami
what is wrong with that the teacher said.. she basically said something was causing the computers to go haywire.. so she put a static strap on him....
I guess it depends on how you read it.
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Originally posted by ramirami
no like the teachers have time to investigate even if she was so inclined.. remember they need make sure the kids pass their "no kids left behind" exams
She should know it has to be his, clothes, or something external, and not
" . . .something in his body chemistry, something in his makeup, that causes the computers to go haywire."
I made no comment about the amount of time she applied to it.
P.S. I don't think NCLB adds any tests, it just uses the standardized tests that exist to measure performance. |
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| Bill Balmer |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
I made no comment about the amount of time she applied to it.
But you attached this obvious flake of a teacher to music or art, indicating some level of disdain for those subjects, despite the wealth of data available that proves a causal link between fine arts students and superior performance in math, science, and literature, not to mention the simple fact that enjoyable electives such as fine arts or athletics tend to keep kids in school who might otherwise drop out.
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
P.S. I don't think NCLB adds any tests, it just uses the standardized tests that exist to measure performance.
No Cids Left Behind? You weren't in band? Hmmm. Thanks for making my point! (Going to spell check this post carefully before I hit the "submit" button!) |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Balmer
But you attached this obvious flake of a teacher to music or art, indicating some level of disdain for those subjects, despite the wealth of data available that proves a causal link between fine arts students and superior performance in math, science, and literature, not to mention the simple fact that enjoyable electives such as fine arts or athletics tend to keep kids in school who might otherwise drop out.
You have completely misread my post.
I have no disdain for the teachers of those subjects. I just do not care if they have a solid grasp of the basics of the physical sciences.
I am even slightly OK, if they prefer to attribute the unknown to mysticism.
However, computer, science, math and most other teachers, I prefer to be well grounded in the principles by which the physical world works.
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Balmer
No Cids Left Behind? You weren't in band? Hmmm. Thanks for making my point! (Going to spell check this post carefully before I hit the "submit" button!)
Since your assertion as presented above is completely baseless, I will not hazard a guess as to what your "point" is.
Being as such, I highly doubt that I "made it" for you.
Maybe if you can state it clearly, we can see if it was made at all. |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Here is some more info. Some will think its funny. Teachers will tell you there is nothing funny about it, its the truth.
The Football Version of What is Going on in Education.
(If you're not an educator, this may not make a lot of sense to you. But send it to your friends who are in education. They will love it--and it's not too far off from reality.) For all educators in or out of the system...
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ---The Football Version
1. All teams must make the state playoffs and all MUST win the championship. If a team does not win the championship, they will be on probation until they are the champions, and coaches will be held accountable. If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship.
2. All kids will be expected to have the same football skills at the same time even if they do not have the same conditions or opportunities to practice on their own. NO exceptions will be made for lack of interest in football, a desire to perform athletically, or genetic abilities or disabilities of themselves or their parents. ALL KIDS WILL PLAY FOOTBALL AT A PROFICIENT LEVEL!
3. Talented players will be asked to work out on their own, without instruction. This is because the coaches will be using all their instructional time with the athletes who aren't interested in football, have limited athletic ability, or whose parents don't like football.
4. Games will be played year round, but statistics will only be kept in the 4th, 8th, and 11th game. It will create a New Age of Sports where every school is expected to have the same level of talent and all teams will reach the same minimum goals.
I love it!! I would totally agree with that one. Yes, I am a teacher.... |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by tunergirl
I love it!! I would totally agree with that one. Yes, I am a teacher....
Really???
Can you take each one and provide the direct example, because from what I have read and experienced, I don't see how a single one fits. |
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| jay |
And what appears to be lost in this discussion is that regardless of how the teacher described magneto man's problem, she had enough common sense to try a static discharge strap, and the symptoms of the problem seem to have disappeared. The media gets a feel-good piece, a couple of people get their 15 seconds of fame, and the kid can now use a computer and it doesn't go haywire.
But it doesn't fit the prevailing Mr. Spock world order, so we have a problem. And the high horse is still mile high. :rolleyes:
Move on folks, nothing else to see here. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by jay
Move on folks, nothing else to see here.
At least on the original topic.
I think we have branched though?
quote:
Originally posted by jay
And what appears to be lost in this discussion is that regardless of how the teacher described magneto man's problem, she had enough common sense to try a static discharge strap, and the symptoms of the problem seem to have disappeared. The media gets a feel-good piece, a couple of people get their 15 seconds of fame, and the kid can now use a computer and it doesn't go haywire.
So, she is not completely clueless.
I was very surprised with the quote.
Why not, "It must be something about the fabric of his clothes or the shoes he wears", instead of that drivel.
What did the other kids in the class learn by hearing it explained that way? |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Really???
Can you take each one and provide the direct example, because from what I have read and experienced, I don't see how a single one fits.
Have you ever taught in a school to be able to confirm what you are saying? I have and do it everyday with all different types of students from students with Down Syndrome to learning disabilities to those who do not speak much English.
Basically it's saying that ALL children learn the same and must be ALL on the same level and they are not. For example, a child with Autism or ADHD does not learn at the same speed as everyone else. A child with comprehension or slow processing skills does not learn the same and therefore, all the different types of children need extra help compared to those who do not......
Enough said |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
At least on the original topic.
I think we have branched though?
So, she is not completely clueless.
I was very surprised with the quote.
Why not, "It must be something about the fabric of his clothes or the shoes he wears", instead of that drivel.
What did the other kids in the class learn by hearing it explained that way?
Did you not look at all of the video? Gosh, that sounded so ... N_Jay! The expert stated that, and tried to rule out the shoes or clothes, and couldn't. But the teacher gets bashed because of her "drivel." Puhleeze! Okay, I'm stupid and her kids are stupid because some unexplainable event was described in a way the doesn't conform to science. At least they didn't pray about it, or have a seance!
Slack, N_Jay is not your friend. :p |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by jay
Did you look at all of the video. The expert stated that, and tried to rule out the shoes or clothes, and couldn't. But the teacher gets bashed because of her "drivel." Puhleeze! Okay, I'm stupid and her kids are stupid because some unexplainable event was described in a way the doesn't conform to science. At least they didn't pray about it, or have a seance!
Slack, N_Jay is not your friend. :p
I will say that I agree with you that at least the didn't pray about that since that is not allowed in schools now. They now have first thing int he morning, at least in my district, "a moment of silence" which means that students may pray or what they need to silently without the other students hearing it and it must be completely quiet no talking aloud. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by tunergirl
I will say that I agree with you that at least the didn't pray about that since that is not allowed in schools now. They now have first thing int he morning, at least in my district, "a moment of silence" which means that students may pray or what they need to silently without the other students hearing it and it must be completely quiet no talking aloud.
That was a joke. You just got caught in the cross-fire between jay and N_Jay.:p Burr and saddle, and every now and then we change places!:D |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by tunergirl
Have you ever taught in a school to be able to confirm what you are saying? I have and do it everyday with all different types of students from students with Down Syndrome to learning disabilities to those who do not speak much English.
Basically it's saying that ALL children learn the same and must be ALL on the same level and they are not. For example, a child with Autism or ADHD does not learn at the same speed as everyone else. A child with comprehension or slow processing skills does not learn the same and therefore, all the different types of children need extra help compared to those who do not......
Enough said
I agree 100% (and more) with what you are saying.
What I don't understand how any of the things that you said you "would totally agree with" fairly represent NCLB? |
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| Sportymonk |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Looks like an excuse made up by a teacher who would rather b!tch about the program, than teach!
Maybe if you spent more than 5 seconds talking to teachers, you would know what you are talking about. I have always loved teaching (it surely isn't for the money!). The football "joke" illustrates how NCLB attempts to make all students equal. Spend any time in a classroom and it will become evident that will never be the case. Students come from a wide variety of educational and social-economic backgrounds. On top of that , each person brings unique skills and talents. I myself am good in math, science, logic, etc. but I am lousy in English, grammar, literature, etc. I even tell my students that if they are not good in math, be excellent in what they are good at like art (I can't draw stick figures with a ruler!)
NCLB is testing kids to death. It changes what we teach. I know that scientific notation has been dropped from Algebra in some places since it is no longer on the state objectives. I guess they figure if the students need it in college, they can take it as part of their "no credit" course load.
NCLB sets increasing higher standards for schools. In North Carolina, Judge Manning threatened to close two high schools that didn't continue to meet the standards as the standards grew. I guess they quit when they realized those were the only two high schools in the area and they had to have them.
Not only do schools have to meet increasingly higher standards but they have to meet them for every which configuration of students you can name and if one group fails, the school fails.
I agree that schools need to be held accountable and need to meet a standard but not every student is capable of the same achievement as other students. I don't know what will happen when instead of 75% of the school meeting the standard, they require 100%. I guess we will just have to accept having a new Principal and group of teachers every three years as they keep firing the old ones for failing to meet standards. |
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| tim.s |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
...If after two years they have not won the championship their footballs and equipment will be taken away UNTIL they do win the championship...
Sometimes they go a step further. The Dallas school district is preparing to fire 25 teachers because two elementary schools and five high schools fell short of state mandated improvement requirements. The schools had been classified as "academically unacceptable for two years in a row". |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Maybe if you spent more than 5 seconds talking to teachers, you would know what you are talking about.
Maybe you need to think about how it looks to a parent who is very active in their children's education, has spend time in school, and talking to teachers and administrators, and who has a child with special needs, so has been through the IEP process, before you assume that just because I don't see it from your side, I am wrong/ (What are you, ME? ;) )
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
The football "joke" illustrates how NCLB attempts to make all students equal.
Please explain this. This is the point that keeps getting tossed around, but never explained.
Just HOW does NCLB do this?
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
Spend any time in a classroom and it will become evident that will never be the case. Students come from a wide variety of educational and social-economic backgrounds. On top of that , each person brings unique skills and talents.
This is the part we all agree on, but every time I ask the above question, I get a response that implies (or says directly) that I don't understand this. (Maybe stop dodging the question, or assuming the answer is obvious).
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
NCLB is testing kids to death.
How so?
How many additional standardised tests have been implemented to support NCLB?
I seem to remember a whole lot when I was a kid, and I seem to remember about the same amount as my kids have gone through school (Pre and post NCLB).
So fill in the details.
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
It changes what we teach. I know that scientific notation has been dropped from Algebra in some places since it is no longer on the state objectives. I guess they figure if the students need it in college, they can take it as part of their "no credit" course load.
Who dropped the scientific notation?
The teacher? The school district? The school board?
I understand the problems with teaching to the test if the test is bad, but I have yet to hear anyone talk about improving the tests.
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
NCLB sets increasing higher standards for schools. In North Carolina, Judge Manning threatened to close two high schools that didn't continue to meet the standards as the standards grew. I guess they quit when they realized those were the only two high schools in the area and they had to have them.
Or maybe it took a threat to get the administration of the schools to take the issue seriously.
I would guess there are two sides to this issue. In a quick search I found some articles espousing both points of view.
A quick question? Does NCLB set increasing higher standards, or doe states implementation of NCLB set increasing higher standards?
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
Not only do schools have to meet increasingly higher standards but they have to meet them for every which configuration of students you can name and if one group fails, the school fails.
Without this requirement, I would be concerned that schools would dump lower performing students just to keep their scores up.
Is it a perfect system, No, but is it workable? I don't know?
What have the teachers associations (the biggest opponents of NCLB, it seems) proposed in its stead?
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
I agree that schools need to be held accountable and need to meet a standard but not every student is capable of the same achievement as other students. I don't know what will happen when instead of 75% of the school meeting the standard, they require 100%.
Who is proposing 100%?
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
I guess we will just have to accept having a new Principal and group of teachers every three years as they keep firing the old ones for failing to meet standards.
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by tim.s
Sometimes they go a step further. The Dallas school district is preparing to fire 25 teachers because two elementary schools and five high schools fell short of state mandated improvement requirements. The schools had been classified as "academically unacceptable for two years in a row".
Wow, What next?
Maybe they need to kick-in the parental choice provision? |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by Sportymonk
Maybe if you spent more than 5 seconds talking to teachers, you would know what you are talking about. I have always loved teaching (it surely isn't for the money!). The football "joke" illustrates how NCLB attempts to make all students equal. Spend any time in a classroom and it will become evident that will never be the case. Students come from a wide variety of educational and social-economic backgrounds. On top of that , each person brings unique skills and talents. I myself am good in math, science, logic, etc. but I am lousy in English, grammar, literature, etc. I even tell my students that if they are not good in math, be excellent in what they are good at like art (I can't draw stick figures with a ruler!)
NCLB is testing kids to death. It changes what we teach. I know that scientific notation has been dropped from Algebra in some places since it is no longer on the state objectives. I guess they figure if the students need it in college, they can take it as part of their "no credit" course load.
NCLB sets increasing higher standards for schools. In North Carolina, Judge Manning threatened to close two high schools that didn't continue to meet the standards as the standards grew. I guess they quit when they realized those were the only two high schools in the area and they had to have them.
Not only do schools have to meet increasingly higher standards but they have to meet them for every which configuration of students you can name and if one group fails, the school fails.
I agree that schools need to be held accountable and need to meet a standard but not every student is capable of the same achievement as other students. I don't know what will happen when instead of 75% of the school meeting the standard, they require 100%. I guess we will just have to accept having a new Principal and group of teachers every three years as they keep firing the old ones for failing to meet standards.
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by tunergirl
:29: :werd:
But no answer to any of the questions.:rolleyes: |
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| OB3 |
N_Jay
My wife is a NYC board of Ed Elementary School teacher and I am a LifeLock Member ...
Is my child doomed ?
:D |
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| ramirami |
quote:
Originally posted by OB3
N_Jay
My wife is a NYC board of Ed Elementary School teacher and I am a LifeLock Member ...
:D
your child and every kid on whom your shadow falls on:2: |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by OB3
N_Jay
My wife is a NYC board of Ed Elementary School teacher and I am a LifeLock Member ...
Is my child doomed ?
:D
It's hard to say.
What is her opinion on NCLB?
As a parent of a student with special needs, it has definitely increased the resources available.
I may be looking at a thin slice of the total effect.
I am a little disappointed that the parental choice aspects seem to never be implemented.
As for the life-lock, I assume you use synthetic oil, always wear your seat belts, and have $0 deductible comprehensive insurance also. Right?
:D :D :D |
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| OB3 |
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Originally posted by ramirami
your child and every kid on whom your shadow falls on:2:
Haaa
At least I will have a false sense of financial identity theft security to be able to sleep better at night. |
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| ramirami |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
It's hard to say.
What is her opinion on NCLB?
As a parent of a student with special needs, it has definitely increased the resources available.
I may be looking at a thin slice of the total effect.
:D :D :D
in all seriousness... NCLB was a good start... but now as we know better things should be gone to improve it... but that never happens in our current political climate...:confused: |
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| rocky |
Special needs kids are already fully protected by federal and state mandate. Didn't need NCLB to do that. Many parents dissatisfied with SPED ed in their districts look for a way to satisfy their childs needs in another town. Perhaps you need to do the same
That said, the federal mandate for sped education is unfunded by the Feds and therefore is taking dollars from regular ed as towns try to comply with voters demand for low taxes and federal mandates |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by rocky
Special needs kids are already fully protected by federal and state mandate. Didn't need NCLB to do that. Many parents dissatisfied with SPED ed in their districts look for a way to satisfy their childs needs in another town. Perhaps you need to do the same.
I didn't say I was dissatisfied.
I am going by what I have read, and what we have been told.
NCLB was attributed with helping put in place the programs to help identify special needs, and provide services at several different levels from in-class assistance to full special-ed programs, including placement in private schools if most appropriate.
Much different from the old story; "We are doing all we can, why don't YOU lock into a private school!"
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Originally posted by rocky
That said, the federal mandate for sped education is unfunded by the Feds and therefore is taking dollars from regular ed as towns try to comply with voters demand for low taxes and federal mandates
Oh my gosh, "Taking Dollars", how dare they!
Maybe the districts should instead identify the likely Ivy League students early, and provide them "Prep-school" like educations. Now that would be much better!
I would hardly consider the proper funding of special-ed programs as "taking dollars", any more than funding the sports programs all the schools are so proud of! |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by ramirami
in all seriousness... NCLB was a good start... but now as we know better things should be gone to improve it... but that never happens in our current political climate...:confused:
Then it should be easy to find groups of educators and their associations, that have proposed improvements rather then the elimination of the program? |
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| scuba steve |
| i wonder if you spend this much time at your local school board meetings or helping your child as you do badgering replies to your soapbox forum? |
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| rocky |
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Originally posted by scuba steve
i wonder if you spend this much time at your local school board meetings or helping your child as you do badgering replies to your soapbox forum?
Eeeek does N-Jay uses this forum as a place where he thinks he's needed/wanted etc?
If so he needs help. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by scuba steve
i wonder if you spend this much time at your local school board meetings or helping your child as you do badgering replies to your soapbox forum?
As for the kids, yep as much time as they need.
And to the school board. Been there AND have spoken.
What? Do people think I'm an opinionated *******, only here! :eek:
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by rocky
Eeeek does N-Jay uses this forum as a place where he thinks he's needed/wanted etc?
If so he needs help.
Nope, I just use this place to drop thoughtful tidbits and watch the reaction.
Sometimes have interesting conversation, and occasionally learn something new. |
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| colorider |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
Nope, I just use this place to drop thoughtful tidbits and watch the reaction.
Sometimes have interesting conversation, and occasionally learn something new.
Some people refer to this as "stirring the pot". Some times this is a good thing, if handled properly. Other times all it does is pi$$ everyone off.
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by colorider
Some people refer to this as "stirring the pot". Some times this is a good thing, if handled properly. Other times all it does is pi$$ everyone off.
:xnuts:
Sort of like:
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Originally posted by scuba steve
do you see any irony in your comments related to your title?
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Originally posted by N_Jay
No, but I am sure you will enlighten us.
And;
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Originally posted by tunergirl
I love it!! I would totally agree with that one. Yes, I am a teacher....
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Originally posted by N_Jay
Really???
Can you take each one and provide the direct example, because from what I have read and experienced, I don't see how a single one fits.
or this;
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Originally posted by ramirami
in all seriousness... NCLB was a good start... but now as we know better things should be gone to improve it... but that never happens in our current political climate...:confused:
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Originally posted by N_Jay
Then it should be easy to find groups of educators and their associations, that have proposed improvements rather then the elimination of the program?
Yep, all of those are stirring the pot, and some how none seem combative or confrontational, yet all have gone completely unanswered while there have been 7 or 8 posts by others that were off topic, asked no question, answered no question, and could easily be considered combative or confrontational, yet it is me who "pisses" everyone off?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
As always, have fun! |
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| scuba steve |
stirring the pot like the original post?
sure.
stating an opinion and being a douchebag don't have to be related. try it out sometime. |
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| jdeanski |
quote:
Originally posted by scuba steve
stirring the pot like the original post?
sure.
stating an opinion and being a douchebag don't have to be related. try it out sometime.
That's not very nice Scubie Doobie......let's keep the discussion clean and above board. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by scuba steve
stirring the pot like the original post?
sure.
stating an opinion and being a douchebag don't have to be related. try it out sometime.
And yet it still does not make you inclined to answer the simple question your first post in this thread prompted.
Go figger?:rolleyes: |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by jdeanski
That's not very nice Scubie Doobie......let's keep the discussion clean and above board.
Why should he?
After all, it is all about "do what I say, not what I do" for some people. |
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| scuba steve |
jdeanski, you are right and i apologize for that. i should know better than to feed a troll.
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by scuba steve
jdeanski, you are right and i apologize for that. i should know better than to feed a troll.
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Because you already know how to be one.
1) Post off topic in a thread.
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Originally posted by scuba steve
do you see any irony in your comments related to your title?
2) prompt a question and not answer it. quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
No, but I am sure you will enlighten us.
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