| NorCO |
Any recommendations on putting a K&N air filter in?
I had one in my old Tacoma and thought it worked pretty well. Just wanted to know about its usefullness in a Pilot. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by NorCO
Any recommendations on putting a K&N air filter in?
I had one in my old Tacoma and thought it worked pretty well. Just wanted to know about its usefullness in a Pilot.
They are really not the useful on any street car/truck.
Most people don't maintain them well enough, the very Little added flow at the high end does essentially nothing for power, they will not give you better MPG, and in the end it is rare they cost less. |
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| NorCO |
| Many Thanks! I will leave it alone then. |
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| pat2k8 |
| opinions are like belly buttons! I have a K&N and look forward to not having to buy another for the life of my Pilot! |
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| humanoid |
quote:
Originally posted by pat2k8
opinions are like belly buttons! I have a K&N and look forward to not having to buy another for the life of my Pilot!
But you do realize you have to clean it and not over oil the filter or else it will foul up the MAF. |
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| rlapid |
| AEM has introduced a new type of filter, called the DRYFLOW, which supposedly is better than both paper and oiled cotton filters. click here for the full specs. they do make panel filters, but none for the pilot yet. looks interesting... |
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| HONDAMANBAKER |
| the K&N was noticable sound wise and at high rev.other than that no big deal. I am going to modify my Honda intakeMy as soon as it gets a little warmer .. My moded intake in conjucttion with the K&N increases air flow across the RPM range. and gets a mean growl. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by HONDAMANBAKER
the K&N was noticable sound wise and at high rev.other than that no big deal. I am going to modify my Honda intakeMy as soon as it gets a little warmer .. My moded intake in conjucttion with the K&N increases air flow across the RPM range. and gets a mean growl.
How does an air filter do that, since the single greatest restriction over all but full throttle is the throttle plate doing its job.:rolleyes: |
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| macphanatic |
| Snake oil and magic.;) |
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| pat2k8 |
NOT from a performance stand point! I am not looking to turn my Pilot into a ricer!
I am talking from a cost savings over the life of the vehicle (280 000+ Kms). I know how to use them, been doing so for over 18 years. I find the OEM/Paper filters to be very pricey and you cannot just visually tell when they get dirty. I like my K&N and its that simple, like I said, opinions! I am not knocking anybody either way. Just making a point. |
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| humanoid |
| How can you no tell if the paper element is dirty? Just take out the filter and shine a flashlight through it. If you can't see any light coming through the filter then it's dirty. |
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| HONDAMANBAKER |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
How does an air filter do that, since the single greatest restriction over all but full throttle is the throttle plate doing its job.:rolleyes:
Well I cant disclose all of my secerets :) The K&N without any mods to the intake basically makes a lot of hissing noises at high rev... no big deal My intake design is just flat out awesome.. I personally beleive HOnda should have it on all of their vehicles.I put my design on my friends 07 Accord and when he put it in the floor he lit the tires up and it sounded like he had a V8.. no joke.... no smoke.
with a K&N drop in I recomdned two. that way you have one while the other is being cleaned. that way you can let things fully dry before re installing |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by pat2k8
NOT from a performance stand point! I am not looking to turn my Pilot into a ricer!
I am talking from a cost savings over the life of the vehicle (280 000+ Kms). I know how to use them, been doing so for over 18 years. I find the OEM/Paper filters to be very pricey and you cannot just visually tell when they get dirty. I like my K&N and its that simple, like I said, opinions! I am not knocking anybody either way. Just making a point.
I agree. WE use the same thing on all of our vehicles and I would never change either. WE modd vehciles on weeknights and weekends in our home. WE have done some work to our pilot recently. If you want to see pics they are in the gallery. |
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| colorider |
Ah, imagine everyone hitting the "Spell Check" button before the "Submit Reply" button.............
It would make threads SOOOO much easier to read.
Thanks! |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by HONDAMANBAKER
Well I cant disclose all of my secerets :) The K&N without any mods to the intake basically makes a lot of hissing noises at high rev... no big deal My intake design is just flat out awesome.. I personally beleive HOnda should have it on all of their vehicles.I put my design on my friends 07 Accord and when he put it in the floor he lit the tires up and it sounded like he had a V8.. no joke.... no smoke.
Sorry dude, not stepping in that pile of Bull Sh!t! |
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| ctobio |
It is impossible to allow for more air flow while filtering better at the same time. You realize those ends are mutually exclusive, right?
If the K & N filter indeed allows for freer air flow at the filter, it is because it is allowing more particules through.
I would be very curious to see the silicon content in an oil analysis in a K & N equipped car vs the same car with a standard paper element. |
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| pat2k8 |
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Originally posted by ctobio
It is impossible to allow for more air flow while filtering better at the same time. You realize those ends are mutually exclusive, right?
If the K & N filter indeed allows for freer air flow at the filter, it is because it is allowing more particules through.
I would be very curious to see the silicon content in an oil analysis in a K & N equipped car vs the same car with a standard paper element.
Bla, Bla, Bla! I would like to see the silicone content in a non-K&N filter equiped vehicle....I am just being the devils advocate. I love the nit picking~
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| jarizzo |
N_Jay is absolutely right. The only time air filter restriction makes any difference is at full throttle. That's a fact. At anything less than full throttle, the throttle plate is the restriction in the system, not the filter. Driving around town never hitting full throttle, a K&N won't do anything for you but put you at risk. (see below) Anyone who argues they get better mileage or better performance under those conditions is probably comparing apples to oranges.
A stock paper filter is designed large enough to filter very well and flow enough for the engine at full throttle even as it gets dirty. Why would a manufacturer, especially one the caliber of Honda, let a $10 air filter hold back performance of the Pilot, especially in such a competitive automotive market? A K&N filter may flow more, but that's because it has bigger holes in it. Since it can't have more surface area, the only ways to get more air through it are to have bigger holes or more holes. That's just common sense. In the case of the K&N, it's bigger holes. Bigger holes = more dirt in the engine = increased internal engine wear.
Oiled filters, either gauze or foam, can foul the MAF over time by slowly coating it with oil, leading to performance issues and possibly codes that require you to change out the MAF. I have personally seen this happen more than once to family and coworkers. Any potential cost savings are out the window the first time you have to replace the MAF. Is it worth the risk? Doubtful.
If you're going to race your Pilot or do a lot of full throttle driving for some reason, there's a possibility you might squeeze out a small performance boost with a K&N or other gauze/foam oiled filter. The down side is you will get more dirt in the engine resulting in more wear and you risk damaging the MAF. For daily driving and average use of your Pilot, and almost every other vehicle, there is little or no noticeable advantage and definite risks. Unless you count the psychological 10 horsepower you get by putting the K&N sticker on the back window, of course.
All that said, if it's noise you want and you're willing to pay the price and take the risk based on advice you got from anonymous "tuner" kids, by all means go for it. Install a turbonator, fuel line magnets, and a water injection system while you're at it and you'll get such great mileage you'll have to drain gas out of the tank once a week.
But that's just my opinion, based on the most sound science and reasoning I know, with no spell check required.
Cheers!
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John |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by jarizzo
N_Jay is absolutely right.
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But that's just my opinion, based on the most sound science and reasoning I know, with no spell check required.
Cheers!
:7:
John
See I told you! ;)
P.S. Not why he needed to say anything past the first sentence!
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| pat2k8 |
Just a couple more *points*
Our Pilots and the rest of the Honda 3.5's do not use a MAF, but I gues if you don't know what your doing you can for sure over oil the thing and cause your own problems.
For the dirt part, both paper and K&N are "Filters" and are designed to filter down to a certain micron size. These things are mass produced and we are comparing paper to oiled cotton gauze. I will say again, I don't care about performance, sound or whatever. I am looking for a good filter that is "reusable" and the K&N fits that bill.
I would show you a copy of previous oil analysis with a K&N, but that wouldn't stop the fact that we can agree to dis-agree....... |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by pat2k8
Just a couple more *points*
Our Pilots and the rest of the Honda 3.5's do not use a MAF, but I gues if you don't know what your doing you can for sure over oil the thing and cause your own problems.
For the dirt part, both paper and K&N are "Filters" and are designed to filter down to a certain micron size. These things are mass produced and we are comparing paper to oiled cotton gauze. I will say again, I don't care about performance, sound or whatever. I am looking for a good filter that is "reusable" and the K&N fits that bill.
I would show you a copy of previous oil analysis with a K&N, but that wouldn't stop the fact that we can agree to dis-agree.......
K&N make s good filter.
The definitely flow more easily at high rates than paper filters,
-----and this is irrelevant in most street car applications.
The do let in a little more dirt, and can get some oil into the intake system even if oiled properly.
-----and this is mostly irrelevant unless you over oil or have a very sensitive type of MAF sensor.
Most people will not remember to maintain them properly,
-----and in this condition they let in a LOT more dirt.
They can be slightly cheaper in the long run,
-----but for most people they are as expensive or even more expensive.
As I have said before, I use K&N on all my race engines, and use paper filters on my street cars. |
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| pat2k8 |
| :D 'Nuff said! All the points wrapped in one N_Jay! Can we close this thread, LOL! |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by pat2k8
:D 'Nuff said! All the points wrapped in one N_Jay! Can we close this thread, LOL!
No way!
Now we have to discuss synthetic oil, free flow exhausts, and a bunch of other such topics! |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
No way!
Now we have to discuss synthetic oil, free flow exhausts, and a bunch of other such topics!
Don't forget grease fittings!:p |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by jay
Don't forget grease fittings!:p
And oil on the paint for winter protection!
and MDX Frame prackets! |
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| xGS |
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Originally posted by pat2k8
Just a couple more *points*
Our Pilots and the rest of the Honda 3.5's do not use a MAF...
But they do have sensors for both temperature and manifold absolute pressure located in the intake air path. |
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| colorider |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
And oil on the paint for winter protection!
and MDX Frame prackets!
And tire pressure.................
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| jay |
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Originally posted by colorider
And tire pressure.................
:lurk:
And nitrogen. :p |
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| macphanatic |
| Don't forget Slick 50 and the Tornado. |
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| jay |
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Originally posted by macphanatic
Don't forget Slick 50 and the Tornado.
Well, if we're going there, we must talk about the ESPECIAL hundles! :1: |
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| GreenMachine |
| Don't forget the Type R stickers :D |
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