| Scancord |
Anyone know if there is a cold air intake for the Pilot
Are there any struts outside of the Honda and KYB made for the Pilot |
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| A6Pilot |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scancord
[B]Anyone know if there is a cold air intake for the Pilot
The Pilot already comes from the factory with a cold air intake that actually works. |
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| tunergirl |
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Originally posted by Scancord
Anyone know if there is a cold air intake for the Pilot
Are there any struts outside of the Honda and KYB made for the Pilot
My husband and I fabricated and "aftermarket" CAI for the Pilot. Here's a pic
No other struts made for the Pilot except waht you have mentioned. |
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| N_Jay |
Now you need to make a piece that fits around it to keep it from getting any engine compartment (warmed) air.
My guess is on most cars these do nothing. You long strait run probably gives you a HP bump at high RPM, but probably losses you some HP across the normal driving range. |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Now you need to make a piece that fits around it to keep it from getting any engine compartment (warmed) air.
My guess is on most cars these do nothing. You long strait run probably gives you a HP bump at high RPM, but probably losses you some HP across the normal driving range.
I have noticed the difference already. It now has a low growl to him and he can breathe much better. He doesn't get bogged down in the lower RPM's at all. IMO he runs much better all the way around with the CAI on.
We have a few upgrades coming to the pilot just need the funds to start them. WE are doing a custom dual exhaust, aftermarket tranny cooler, projector headlights are being made now and a few others. |
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| A6Pilot |
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Originally posted by tunergirl
I have noticed the difference already. It now has a low growl to him and he can breathe much better. He doesn't get bogged down in the lower RPM's at all. IMO he runs much better all the way around with the CAI on.
My bet is you have actually lost a bit of power with that intake setup. It may look cool, and sound louder, but you have actually defeated a couple of features the Honda powertrain engineers designed into the intake.
First, you are pulling heated air from the engine compartment into the engine. Heated air is less dense, therefore less power. Clearly you are not running a CAI. Anything but!
Second, the Honda engineers actually shaped the intake ducting to mildly amplify intake pressure waves. Take a close look at the pieces you took off the intake system. Notice that the length is carefully calibrated, and that it was designed with some odd looking horns that are precisely sculpted to capture these pressure waves. Substitute a long straight pipe, and you defeat some pretty amazing engineering.
But it does look cool!
BTW-
How much did you invest in that shiny pipe? |
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| tunergirl |
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Originally posted by A6Pilot
My bet is you have actually lost a bit of power with that intake setup. It may look cool, and sound louder, but you have actually defeated a couple of features the Honda powertrain engineers designed into the intake.
First, you are pulling heated air from the engine compartment into the engine. Heated air is less dense, therefore less power. Clearly you are not running a CAI. Anything but!
Second, the Honda engineers actually shaped the intake ducting to mildly amplify intake pressure waves. Take a close look at the pieces you took off the intake system. Notice that the length is carefully calibrated, and that it was designed with some odd looking horns that are precisely sculpted to capture these pressure waves. Substitute a long straight pipe, and you defeat some pretty amazing engineering.
But it does look cool!
BTW-
How much did you invest in that shiny pipe?
First, it's not a straight pipe it has a bend in it. It is in comparison to the AEM ones that are made for all other vehicles and it does the same. We are not completel done with it. Also I have NOT noticed any power loss at all. In fact his pick up and go is a lot better now since He can breathe better.
Second, My husband is an engineer and if he didn't think it would do any good he wouldn't have put it on there. Hence, see #1 about the AEM ones. This one and the AEM ones are very close to the same size. WE have the AEM one in our Accord as well as a lot of friends have the same thing in their vehicles.
BTW- We got a box (kit) full of different size bends and straights for different projects this being one of them. I don't know what the cost was off the top of my head just for htose pieces. |
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| jarizzo |
The Pilot's stock air intake is an excellent piece of engineering, as has already been suggested. There is no way in #ell that Honda would let a $25 piece of molded plastic (the intake hose and air box) hold back the performance of a sophisticated and precision manufactured piece of equipment like the 3.5L V-6 engine. It doesn't make any sense at all from a financial perspective (the only one that counts) for them not to include something like this 90 degree bent piece of aluminum pipe if it would improve performance or anything else. They didn't put it in there because it doesn't help anything but it makes more noise. I challenge anyone with a CAI on a Pilot to prove definitively measurable performance improvements in normal daily driving (not racing) that will offset the risks. Apples to apples comparisons and real world numbers. I'm not going to hold my breath.
If your engineer husband has this all figured out, then what was the intended benefit? Air temperature? Air flow? Certainly he's measured the temperature and volume of intake air before and after this modification was done. The sensors and engine computer do the measuring for you. Let's see some numbers. AutoTap will probably be able to give a graph the numbers from the IAT and manifold pressure or MAF sensors while you're driving. www.autotap.com
Butt dynos are psychosomatic, especially if the financial and emotional investments are high, as in your case. Save your money and put it in a Roth IRA or another investment that's more likely to perform under real world conditions.
Cheers!
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| archie |
quote:
The Pilot's stock air intake is an excellent piece of engineering, as has already been suggested. There is no way in #ell that Honda would let a $25 piece of molded plastic (the intake hose and air box) hold back the performance of a sophisticated and precision manufactured piece of equipment like the 3.5L V-6 engine.
Any dyno charts to back this up? Any facts? quote:
It doesn't make any sense at all from a financial perspective (the only one that counts) ...
Financial perspective is the only one that counts? If so, performance is secondary to financial perspective. Financial perspective (cost) could hold back performance. Every car has compromises. |
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| ctobio |
I'm an engineer too, and I think these so-called CAIs are utter cack.
This one, while looking cool and sounding cool, has the following things against it:
1. Any benefit from so-called "freer breathing" is as a result of the K & N cone filter you have. Problem with K & N filters is that it is utterly impossible to filter better and allow more air through. The cost you pay for increased airflow is increased ingestion of dirt. Keep an eye on your silicate contamination in your oil. Honestly, you could have saved yourself a bit of money and just gotten a drop-in K & N to achieve the same results.
2. It's NOT PULLING IN COLD AIR, as has been pointed out. Unless you can effectively shield the area where the CAI is pulling from, you're going to be pulling warm air. Warm air will not only lower performance, but it will also increase oil and coolant temps, which don't do the engine any favors.
3. You run an increased chance of ingesting water through the piping, and hydrolocking. Honda issued a service bulletin about this, seeing how popular this sort of thing is among the tuner set.
4. I challenge you to prove that this produces an actual benefit beyond the butt-dyno. We know what the Pilot can deliver with the OEM bits. You want to sell someone on your concept, you need to prove it. |
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| jarizzo |
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Originally posted by archie
Any dyno charts to back this up? Any facts? Financial perspective is the only one that counts? If so, performance is secondary to financial perspective. Financial perspective has in the past held back performance in various situation. Every car has compromises.
If only the world was that black and white. Every car does have compromises, but the Pilot has a lot of worthy competitors, and the financial perspective is that it doesn't make any sense to let a $25 or less plastic part hold back the HP and torque numbers and the real-world test-drive performance of the Pilot when so many others are waiting to take its place. When American car companies were the only game in town, the only choice you had was crappy engineering. Competition has brought vast improvements to automotive technology, involving billions of dollars in research and development and testing. But in the minds of some, an air hose and filter are still somehow beyond the reach of such improvements. Likely? I don't think so.
Still waiting for some numbers archie. I'm the defendant here. You have to prove me wrong. Don't let your anger distract you from providing the proof. It shouldn't be that hard to do with an OBD-II scan tool and software and a dynamometer. Hell, since tunergirl and her engineer husband have it figured out, they should sell that hose and filter to Honda. Then they could buy the fuel line magnets and the Tornado too. Their Pilot would be racing at Indy and they'd have to drain the gas out of the tank once a week because the mileage would be so good. I think there is as much chance that aluminum tube and gauze filter are improving anything except for profits at aluminum tubing companies and K&N.
Cheers!
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| rlapid |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ctobio
I'm an engineer too, and I think these so-called CAIs are utter cack.
I agree!
And I am an engineer too.
Well, not really, they made me turn my BSEE degree in when I got my MBA.
You know, its against the rules to use any engineering knowledge in "management"!:D :D (Just ask Dilbert!) |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by jarizzo
The Pilot's stock air intake is an excellent piece of engineering, as has already been suggested. There is no way in #ell that Honda would let a $25 piece of molded plastic (the intake hose and air box) hold back the performance of a sophisticated and precision manufactured piece of equipment like the 3.5L V-6 engine. It doesn't make any sense at all from a financial perspective (the only one that counts) for them not to include something like this 90 degree bent piece of aluminum pipe if it would improve performance or anything else. They didn't put it in there because it doesn't help anything but it makes more noise. I challenge anyone with a CAI on a Pilot to prove definitively measurable performance improvements in normal daily driving (not racing) that will offset the risks. Apples to apples comparisons and real world numbers. I'm not going to hold my breath.
If your engineer husband has this all figured out, then what was the intended benefit? Air temperature? Air flow? Certainly he's measured the temperature and volume of intake air before and after this modification was done. The sensors and engine computer do the measuring for you. Let's see some numbers. AutoTap will probably be able to give a graph the numbers from the IAT and manifold pressure or MAF sensors while you're driving. www.autotap.com
Butt dynos are psychosomatic, especially if the financial and emotional investments are high, as in your case. Save your money and put it in a Roth IRA or another investment that's more likely to perform under real world conditions.
Cheers!
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John
First of all, please don't take offense to this but if people want to spend their money on their vehicles that should be their desicion. Also you have no clue how we are financially with IRA or anything else. So don't assume that I have no investments.
As for the CAI, with our ACCORDS and some others that have done this it actually gains about 10-12 HP. This has been proven on other forum sites as well as on our vehicle. The stock cold air intake box in the pilots from the manuafacturer is to reduce NOISE. The aftermarket CAI does the same and wors the same except it maes it louder becuase of no box. If you were to see the Pilot in person the filter is where it's supposed to be in regards to pulling col air in from behind the headlight and through the bottom. If we lowered the filter down into the hole it would pull up rain and debri and such and do more damage. |
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| tunergirl |
quote:
Originally posted by ctobio
I'm an engineer too, and I think these so-called CAIs are utter cack.
This one, while looking cool and sounding cool, has the following things against it:
1. Any benefit from so-called "freer breathing" is as a result of the K & N cone filter you have. Problem with K & N filters is that it is utterly impossible to filter better and allow more air through. The cost you pay for increased airflow is increased ingestion of dirt. Keep an eye on your silicate contamination in your oil. Honestly, you could have saved yourself a bit of money and just gotten a drop-in K & N to achieve the same results.
2. It's NOT PULLING IN COLD AIR, as has been pointed out. Unless you can effectively shield the area where the CAI is pulling from, you're going to be pulling warm air. Warm air will not only lower performance, but it will also increase oil and coolant temps, which don't do the engine any favors.
3. You run an increased chance of ingesting water through the piping, and hydrolocking. Honda issued a service bulletin about this, seeing how popular this sort of thing is among the tuner set.
4. I challenge you to prove that this produces an actual benefit beyond the butt-dyno. We know what the Pilot can deliver with the OEM bits. You want to sell someone on your concept, you need to prove it.
I was just answering a question from someone else.
OH BY THE WAY, I AM ONE OF THOSE TUNER PEOPLE that you mention in #3.
Have you worked on J-series engines for over 20 years of your life to really know what you are talking about? My husband has and used to be certified in another state until moving to VA 2 years ago. |
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| archie |
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the financial perspective is that it doesn't make any sense to let a $25 or less plastic part hold back the HP
But where is the proof? Any dyno runs? "doesn't make any sense" is just a statement without proof. If someone wants to be believed, they need more proof. Hot air is almost free. Facts are more difficult to get. |
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| jarizzo |
quote:
Originally posted by archie
But where is the proof? Any dyno runs? "doesn't make any sense" is just a statement without proof. If someone wants to be believed, they need more proof. Hot air is almost free. Facts are more difficult to get.
You need to look to the ones making the claims of improved performance from CAI systems for the facts. It is incumbent on the ones making the improvement claims to provide the facts, but sadly all are missing so far. The engine performance numbers for the stock system are readily available on www.honda.com. If you look at the stock system, it makes sense to me and several others that it would be pulling in cooler air than the intake system proposed by tunergirl and her husband. There are no apparent restrictions in the stock system. The odd-looking appendages on the tubing are for acoustic fine-tuning and are not restrictions.
You can do your own butt dyno test by removing the intake hose from the throttle body and take a drive with no filter or hose in place at all. Run it on a dyno with no hose or filter if you want proof. If there is a restriction in the stock system, that will definitely resolve it, but you will be pulling in warmer air that might offset the gains. A couple short runs with no filter won't hurt anything.
Since I haven't installed a CAI, I can't produce such numbers. If you have a CAI, please post yours. Apparently tunergirl and her husband who used to be "certified" with "20 years of experience" is incapable of producing such numbers, even though they are readily available by hooking up to the PCM. Why would you install such a system under the guise of improving performance without any way to quantify the results? Not only are we lacking numbers, but there is still no answer to these fundamental questions:
1. What are the problems with the stock intake that a CAI is supposed to solve?
2. What are the numbers for airflow in CFM and intake air temperature in degrees Fahrenheit before and after the CAI?
3. What are the gains or losses in HP and torque across the RPM range by making the change?
Still waiting for answers.
Cheers!
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| tunergirl |
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Originally posted by jarizzo
You need to look to the ones making the claims of improved performance from CAI systems for the facts. It is incumbent on the ones making the improvement claims to provide the facts, but sadly all are missing so far. The engine performance numbers for the stock system are readily available on www.honda.com. If you look at the stock system, it makes sense to me and several others that it would be pulling in cooler air than the intake system proposed by tunergirl and her husband. There are no apparent restrictions in the stock system. The odd-looking appendages on the tubing are for acoustic fine-tuning and are not restrictions.
You can do your own butt dyno test by removing the intake hose from the throttle body and take a drive with no filter or hose in place at all. Run it on a dyno with no hose or filter if you want proof. If there is a restriction in the stock system, that will definitely resolve it, but you will be pulling in warmer air that might offset the gains. A couple short runs with no filter won't hurt anything.
Since I haven't installed a CAI, I can't produce such numbers. If you have a CAI, please post yours. Apparently tunergirl and her husband who used to be "certified" with "20 years of experience" is incapable of producing such numbers, even though they are readily available by hooking up to the PCM. Why would you install such a system under the guise of improving performance without any way to quantify the results? Not only are we lacking numbers, but there is still no answer to these fundamental questions:
1. What are the problems with the stock intake that a CAI is supposed to solve?
2. What are the numbers for airflow in CFM and intake air temperature in degrees Fahrenheit before and after the CAI?
3. What are the gains or losses in HP and torque across the RPM range by making the change?
Still waiting for answers.
Cheers!
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John
ok why don't you check out other forums of people who have installed these on their vehicles and have run dynos with just those on for example:
http://www.v6performance.net/forums...ead.php?t=44350 post #12
http://www.v6performance.net/forums...light=CAI+dynos Post #18
http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/69-1207.jpg
And more Dyno's
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=328108
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Niss...nstallation.php
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/bolt...-injen-cai.html
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0089rx.jpg
Enough said from me.
Obviously this forum of members from who I have dealt with do not care about performance so it might be better if I never return to this forum to put up with this. I was merely trying to help out those who wanted some performance for their Pilots. |
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| ctobio |
quote:
Originally posted by tunergirl
Obviously this forum of members from who I have dealt with do not care about performance so it might be better if I never return to this forum to put up with this. I was merely trying to help out those who wanted some performance for their Pilots.
You have to understand that most folks in this forum look at aftermarket performance upgrades with a highly skeptical eye- myself included.
Performance numbers for anything but a Honda Pilot are immaterial. Performance gains for a Civic, or a VW, or a Ford mean absolutely zero to the topic at hand- that a "CAI" is going to produce any meaningful results for a Honda Pilot.
I see no restrictions or deficiences in the Pilot's intake system. It has those funky horns for resonation and damping. The tube itself isn't restrictive, the panel air filter is as a restrictive as a filter needs to be to do its job. If you start telling me about turbulence through a smoother intake bore, well, I have a turbonator I'd like to sell you.
I will venture to say that on the Honda Pilot, the subject at hand, you would gain the same performance improvement with a "CAI" as you would with a drop in panel air filter, because effectively this is the only real "improvement" to breathing that you're doing. You might actually be restricting breathing if the surface area of the filtration media of the cone is smaller than the surface area of a drop-in K & N.
And please, prove to me that somehow magically a K & N both filters better and lets more air in. That drawback is indisputable. |
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| danpilot |
| I think this is very interesting, Tunergirl, and I would like to see what else people have done or plan to do to increase performance on their Pilots. Has anyone turbocharged or supercharged a Pilot? Has anyone used the other classic routes to performance upgrade: Bore, stroke, cam, headers, etc.? :confused: |
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| Tcm 01 CL-S |
Unorthodox Racing has an underdrive pulley for the Pilot, it's the same one as the 04-08 Acura TL according to the instructions and visual comparison (we have an 05 TL), although their website has not been updated to reflect this. We may put one on our own pilot in the future, but its all up to the driver since she is not exactly looking for performance. I've had mine for 20k+ miles and it has been an excellent mod. Engine revs quicker, a little more power, better fuel economy and the engine feels smoother. My brother also loves the pulley on his TL.
Now for the controverisal part: "The UR removes harmonic balancer". J-series Honda engines are internally balanced and does NOT have a harmonic balancer, although there IS a rubber elastomer (sometimes refered to as a dampener) on the factory pulley. While I can understand that a person may be hesitant to put on a new pulley that does not have this rubber elastomer, keep in mind when we did the TL's pulley at 25k miles, the rubber elastomer had already fallen off! Same thing on my 01 CL, but I was at 60k miles.
At Acurazine.com, there has NOT been a serious problem reported with the pulley, and many people are running their cars with them. There is a couple of guys who have been running them on their J32's for 200,000+ miles with no problems. |
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| tunergirl |
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Originally posted by danpilot
I think this is very interesting, Tunergirl, and I would like to see what else people have done or plan to do to increase performance on their Pilots. Has anyone turbocharged or supercharged a Pilot? Has anyone used the other classic routes to performance upgrade: Bore, stroke, cam, headers, etc.? :confused:
You can slightly modify a supercharger from Acura Cl type S to fit but haven't really looked at it. YOu can change out the pistons to RL to change the compression ratio to 11:1. WE are fabbing custom headers with our dual exhaust to work on the Pilot. |
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| Tcm 01 CL-S |
quote:
Originally posted by tunergirl
You can slightly modify a supercharger from Acura Cl type S to fit but haven't really looked at it. YOu can change out the pistons to RL to change the compression ratio to 11:1. WE are fabbing custom headers with our dual exhaust to work on the Pilot.
http://www.ct-engineering.com/store/new.html
Under Development:
Honda Ridgeline Supercharger
That might be a little easier to work with when it finally does come out. |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by Tcm 01 CL-S
http://www.ct-engineering.com/store/new.html
Under Development:
Honda Ridgeline Supercharger
That might be a little easier to work with when it finally does come out.
Is that what used to be Comptech?
Wonder how long it will be in development since the Ridgeline will be due for a redesign in a few years.
K&N has an intake for the Ridgeline, seen here. I asked if it would fit a Pilot, but they didn't give me a definitive answer other than they wouldn't honor the 1MM mile warranty if it did fit since it was designed for the Ridgeline.
Someone needs to come up with an intake that uses the OEM filter for everyday driving, but when you floor it, it switches to a high flow one. |
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| Tcm 01 CL-S |
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Originally posted by GreenMachine
Is that what used to be Comptech?
Wonder how long it will be in development since the Ridgeline will be due for a redesign in a few years.
K&N has an intake for the Ridgeline, seen here. I asked if it would fit a Pilot, but they didn't give me a definitive answer other than they wouldn't honor the 1MM mile warranty if it did fit since it was designed for the Ridgeline.
Someone needs to come up with an intake that uses the OEM filter for everyday driving, but when you floor it, it switches to a high flow one.
Yeah, it is Comptech. They've had that in development since atleast 06, but it doesn't seem like they have done much because of the change in ownership. |
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| HONDAMANBAKER |
AFter reading this post I almost got a cramp in my side from laughing.. you guys crack me up :)
I espically love the "Dyno's are psychosomatic" comment.
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by HONDAMANBAKER
AFter reading this post I almost got a cramp in my side from laughing.. you guys crack me up :)
I espically love the "Dyno's are psychosomatic" comment.
HMB
You mean?
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Originally posted by jarizzo
Butt dynos are psychosomatic,
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| Scancord |
To all my fellow (performance) Pilot owners
I found a perf intake system from Weapon R Racing development, they make one for the Pilot.
For a 240.00 investment, I may see what it does, not to much out there beside my K and N air filter
I almost bought this one for my 4 cyl Accord 2005
Anyone know about these guys, here is the link
http://weapon-r.com/english/index.p...roducts_id=5621 |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by Scancord
Anyone know about these guys, here is the link
They must be good. :4:
Check out all the pictures of "performance experts" showing off their products! :2: :2: :2:
You will be the envy of all the other 17 year-olds borrowing their parents Pilot to go street racing Saturday night, and all the girls that look like the ones in the picture will hang all over you as you blow away the spoiled rich kid whose daddy bought him a $150,000 shop built Skyline. . . . . .
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| colorider |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
You will be the envy of all the other 17 year-olds borrowing their parents Pilot to go street racing Saturday night, and all the girls that look like the ones in the picture will hang all over you as you blow away the spoiled rich kid whose daddy bought him a $150,000 shop built Skyline. . . . . .
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| jarizzo |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
You mean?
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Dynos aren't psychosomatic necessarily, but the "butt dyno" phenomenon is what I'm talking about, and that is most definitely psychosomatic in nature. If I believe strongly that someone knows what they're talking about when they say that an aluminum tube and gauze filter is going to get me X percent better performance, I'm going to believe that it really happened after I installed it, especially if the investment was high. Besides that, what the "expert" isn't telling you is what other, possibly negative effects that intake might have on your engine or your pocketbook, and the question is "is it worth it."
And for the record, there is still no evidence that this thing changes anything. A couple links to other forums discussing other engines in other cars with other intakes doesn't prove anything related to the intake system in question. You would think someone with that much experience, 20 years and a certification IIRC, would have some way to show the improvement it makes, but that paradoxically seems not to be the case. |
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quote:
Originally posted by jarizzo
Dynos aren't psychosomatic necessarily, but the "butt dyno" phenomenon is what I'm talking about, and that is most definitely psychosomatic in nature. If I believe strongly that someone knows what they're talking about when they say that an aluminum tube and gauze filter is going to get me X percent better performance, I'm going to believe that it really happened after I installed it, especially if the investment was high. Besides that, what the "expert" isn't telling you is what other, possibly negative effects that intake might have on your engine or your pocketbook, and the question is "is it worth it."
And for the record, there is still no evidence that this thing changes anything. A couple links to other forums discussing other engines in other cars with other intakes doesn't prove anything related to the intake system in question. You would think someone with that much experience, 20 years and a certification IIRC, would have some way to show the improvement it makes, but that paradoxically seems not to be the case.
Yes, I was asking HONDAMANBAKER.
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Originally posted by N_Jay
They must be good. :4:
Check out all the pictures of "performance experts" showing off their products! :2: :2: :2:
You will be the envy of all the other 17 year-olds borrowing their parents Pilot to go street racing Saturday night, and all the girls that look like the ones in the picture will hang all over you as you blow away the spoiled rich kid whose daddy bought him a $150,000 shop built Skyline. . . . . .
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Installing two vortex generator turbonators= twin turbonator will blow away a $150k skyline.:2: |
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| Gav |
I'm guessing that tunergirl isn't going to come back...
I think if you are looking for max HP then there are indeed things that limit hp in the stock pilot air filter system, such as:
Its made for a broad range of drivers...their targeted segment. People that wouldn't be caught dead driving a minivan. Its made for longevity. Its made to be quiet. Its probably not made for every little ounce of HP. This probably goes in line with making it compete too closely with the mdx. The stock air filter could be potentially too small.
Notice all the aftermarket parts are being made for the Ridgeline?
So I guess most of us agree that air flow and filtration are inversely proportional. More flow - less filtering?
If the stock paper air filter were large enough, maybe there would be no change in hp between the cotton gauze and the paper.
Ok, the Intake that tunergirl made is basically a couple of shiny pipes with a bend in it.
Things that will have it make more horses:
Larger surface area
Gauze element
Smoother air travel?
Things that may hinder HP
Pulls in hot engine compartment air
Made of metal (will heat air as it passes through it.)
No fancy stickers (probably cost 10 horses right there)
Probably a guess on the intake tube length to make it fit. I'm sure that Honda used software to determine the exact tube length and shape for intake resonance supercharging at the particular rpms it would expect the engine to run at most times. There was some formula that I had a while back that...hmm found this much simpler looking formula at http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1142
NL=84000
N=RPM
L=Length of plenum from beginning to the head port.
Of course that is just one formula which it looks like Chrysler uses for determining intake manifold plenum size, not the air filter tube which probably has another formula.
I've wrestled with this since the day I bought my pilot. Should I or shouldn't I? A little more power and decreased longevity of the engine or leave it stock. I've decided to keep it stock...for now. So far my kids have been keeping me too busy to tinker too much with the car. |
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| TurboTurtle |
Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash or wheres the proof at......its silly. Its always a "waste of time/money" when someone else is doing it and not you. I hate chrome wheels but Im not going to go around and knock someone else cause they put some 20's on and say, Oh, they throw off your speedo or added weight to the brake system......who cares. I have a intake on mine, is the hp gain enough to justify paying 50(ebay intake) to 200 bucks on one.......no. Mine was free, it was in the attic collecting dust. I feel like no bottom end hp/trq. was loss or gained, I do feel mid to upper end has some more "pick me up" near open throttle. I get 21mpg so no loss there. Just remember forums are here to help and answer any and all types of questions not to rip into them.
Sorry about the lil' rant and but I see it all to many times on all types of forums.:D |
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| Gav |
| Yeah, what TurboTurtle said. |
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| Poki |
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Originally posted by TurboTurtle
Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash or wheres the proof at......its silly. Its always a "waste of time/money" when someone else is doing it and not you. I hate chrome wheels but Im not going to go around and knock someone else cause they put some 20's on and say, Oh, they throw off your speedo or added weight to the brake system......who cares. I have a intake on mine, is the hp gain enough to justify paying 50(ebay intake) to 200 bucks on one.......no. Mine was free, it was in the attic collecting dust. I feel like no bottom end hp/trq. was loss or gained, I do feel mid to upper end has some more "pick me up" near open throttle. I get 21mpg so no loss there. Just remember forums are here to help and answer any and all types of questions not to rip into them.
Sorry about the lil' rant and but I see it all to many times on all types of forums.:D
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that way about "Look, its her time, her money and her Pilot. If she wants to do things to the Pilot she can. Why turn a simple request/question into a bash.." Just because someone wants to do something to their Pilot, why should some members on this forum condem them? Instead, just don't reply. |
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| jpd0363 |
| If you don't have anything nice to say... |
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