| TODD B |
New to the forum, sorry if this has been asked before....
I'm getting ready to mount new wheels and tires on my '08 Pilot. I bought the wheels and TPMS sensors from Discount Tire Direct. Has anyone here used the sensors from DTD? I'd like confirmation that they work fine before I pay for a round of mounting and balancing.
We just traded off teh wife's '05 Odyssey, so I'm migrating here from Odyclub.org
Any help would be appreciated. |
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| colorider |
Welcome to HP.org. While I have not had any direct experience, with Discount Tire Direct, I would think they would have a compatibility chart for their TPMS that could be verified before ordering.
Good Luck! |
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| TODD B |
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Originally posted by colorider
I would think they would have a compatibility chart for their TPMS that could be verified before ordering.
Oh, they do and I did. But, I've some had compatibility issues in the past with other things the e-tailers said would work, and was just hoping that someone had crossed this bridge before me.
Thanks for the welcome. |
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| quietdragon |
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Originally posted by TODD B
I bought the wheels and TPMS sensors from Discount Tire Direct.
How much are they asking for a set of four TPMS? |
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| TODD B |
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Originally posted by quietdragon
How much are they asking for a set of four TPMS?
Well, I ordered by phone because their website did not specifically list TPMS by vehicle. The one's I got were ~$26 ea. However, when I first called a Discount Tire Store, they quoted $69 ea. The closest store is 100 miles from me, so I went the on-line route (plus it was cheaper).
It was the discrepant prices that got me a little concerned about the correct fitment in the first place. At any rate, I return from a business trip tonight and will hopefully get them mounted tomorrow and be able to report back my findings.
Incidentally, Tirerack does suggest the correct TPMS and slips it in your cart for you, unlike most of the e-tailers I considered. |
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| markraphael |
| Please keep us posted on your new wheels and TPMS from DTD. I have also been looking at their website and have the same questions regarding TPMS sensors from online dealers. DT has good tires and wheels selection at very competitive prices and free mounting and balancing for tire/wheel purchase. I would like to buy from them but the only thing that concerns me is the TPMS issue. |
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| TODD B |
Well, strike one.
My tire shop was not able to mount the TPMS sensors in the wheels. Seems like the sensors were made for a thicker wheel than I have. The sleeve that tightens over the valve stem on the outside bottoms out before it seals to the wheel. Checked the sensor on another set of wheels I have in the garage and found the same problem. The tire shop did have other TPMS sensor that fit my wheel, but is not for a Honda. I called DTD and they said their system showed a second TPMS sensor listed for the Pilot and he will send a set of those out, but he conceeded that he has no idea if they are any different.
At any rate, the new wheels and tires look great piled up in the back of the Pilot:D |
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| TODD B |
I'm not having much luck with these wheels/TPMS sensors. The second set of sensors arrived from DTD and had the same problem as the first set (the only difference was the overall length of the valve stem). Still did not tighten on the wheel.
I went to the Honda dealer to look at an OEM sensor and found that they are nearly identical to the ones I received from DTD -- which means they didn't work with these wheels either. I then went to a variety of tire/wheel dealers in my area and did not find anyone who knew anything. One said he had run into some problems with Honda's and was not able to make them work. I also checked many other brands of aftermarket wheels and did not find any that the Honda sensors fit.
I called Tire Rack and they guaranteed that if I bought wheels and sensors from them they would fit, but obviously, wouldn't speculate if their sensors would fit my wheels. They also said that they use the Honda OEM sensors -- this has me wondering why their wheels would be thicker than any aftermarket wheels I saw today.
At this point I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
Has anyone here bought aftermarket wheels and successfully gotten TPMS sensors to fit? |
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| Jas |
| Howdy Todd, what you are seeing when trying to mount the TPMS unit into a tpms wheel is a bit misleading if it is like the 2007 Honda Pilot OEM TPMS units I installed on my winter wheels late last year. The stem nut that screws down on the stem has an internal (one-time use) breakway sealing system. When tightening nut, one has to hear a slight snap and torque to specs. This tightening and sealing will snug up the TPMS unit into each wheel properly. I don't have my manual with me, but can be more specific on torque setting this evening when I get home. |
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| MDXlite |
| Seems a small rubber donut washer(o-ring) between the sensor and wheel would do the trick. Put a little Shinetsu grease on it for a better seal. |
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| TODD B |
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Originally posted by Jas
Howdy Todd, what you are seeing when trying to mount the TPMS unit into a tpms wheel is a bit misleading if it is like the 2007 Honda Pilot OEM TPMS units I installed on my winter wheels late last year. The stem nut that screws down on the stem has an internal (one-time use) breakway sealing system. When tightening nut, one has to hear a slight snap and torque to specs. This tightening and sealing will snug up the TPMS unit into each wheel properly. I don't have my manual with me, but can be more specific on torque setting this evening when I get home.
I'd really like the solution to be this simple. However, it seems like it's missing by a fairly significant margin (~1/8"). I'll take another look when I get back home. Right now, I'm thinking about fabricating a bushing. |
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| Jas |
Go to the following thread and you'll see the Honda TPMS description on the page "18-82" that I'm referencing about how to set the nut. Pay special attention to the cutout showing "E" on the picture.
http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/sh...&threadid=21036
Todd, just hand tightening the nut on the TMPS stem will leave that gap. You've got to tighten the nut with a socket wrench further, which will snap the internal seal ring inside the nut. Hope this helps?
James |
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| Jas |
| Todd, I scratched my head the same as you because of that gap left, but until I saw the picture "pg. 18-82" in my 2007 Honda Pilot shop manual and looked inside of nut did I realize this nut needed to be cinched down further to get the TPMS unit set correctly in the wheel. |
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| TODD B |
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Originally posted by Jas
Go to the following thread and you'll see the Honda TPMS description on the page "18-82" that I'm referencing about how to set the nut. Pay special attention to the cutout showing "E" on the picture.
Well, that looks encouraging, for sure. I'll be back home on Friday to give it a shot. I wonder if that "TPMS" really needs to be on the wheel as that manual indicates? |
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| iglesias |
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Originally posted by TODD B
Well, that looks encouraging, for sure. I'll be back home on Friday to give it a shot. I wonder if that "TPMS" really needs to be on the wheel as that manual indicates?
I think that means that they added some small amount of weight to the wheel to offset the TPMS unit. |
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| TODD B |
OK, It looks like that's going to work! I'm very surprised how much additional travel in that nut once the internal lip breaks.
However, my next issue looks to be that the sensor does not fit tight against the inside of the wheel.
Does anyone know what the ramifications of that sensor not fitting tight on it's feet? The angle of the sensor is adjustable, but the distance between the centerline of the hole and the flat on the inside of the wheel is to great.
In essence, the sensor will be "floating" inside the tire.j
Any insight? |
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| TODD B |
As a follow-up.....
I finally got a reply from Entire (the company that makes the TPMS sensors I got from DTD).
"Thank you for your enquiry concerning your EnTire TPMS sensor.
The purpose of the feet on the sensor is to protect the sensor during
torque and does not affect performance if the feet do not contact the
rim as you describe.
You may proceed with your installment.
As you contacted us through the EnTire website you must have looked at
the TPMS Servicing tab where we will be adding this information to the
service bulletins - thank you!
Sincerely,
EnTire Solutions Customer Service"
Seems reasonable, however what I have noticed is that with the sensor sitting up off the rim, it seems that it is very close to interfering with the tire bead. It looks like the bead will have to slide over the sensor while setting the bead on the rim. This might cause some installation issues. At the least, it looks like my installer will have to be very careful.
I'm still considering returning these wheels for a different set, I'll keep you posted. |
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| TODD B |
Well, I finally got everthing mounted and the system seems to be working fine. I'm not completely happy that the sensors are not sitting on the inside of the rim, but them being "suspended" on the end of the stem did not hinder installation of the tires.
The Pilot looks great and my wife is very happy with the results. Not sure why Honda didn't put bigger wheels and tires from the start. The 18x8 wheels and 255-55-18 tires definately are the right size for the vehicle.
I'll post up some pics when the weather clears.
Thanks for all the help! |
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| Erniedog |
Nice.. I just spoke with Discount tire direct about the TPMS sensors that are coming on my Wheel/Tire Package and they said that every sensor will be mounted and all I have to do is install the Tires and go.
I hope their right. |
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| TODD B |
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Originally posted by Erniedog
Nice.. I just spoke with Discount tire direct about the TPMS sensors that are coming on my Wheel/Tire Package and they said that every sensor will be mounted and all I have to do is install the Tires and go.
I hope their right.
Well, they should know how -- I think I explained it to them well enough.:D |
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| 06hondapilotawd |
Well now im in the same boat. I ordered 18's from discount tire and because I started the search by plugging in 2006 Honda Pilot AWD (tpms), I did not think tires without tpms would pop up in my search. So I bought new wheels and tires and just brought them to the local shop to have them installed. The mechanic just called me and said the new tires do not have tpms and the light will stay on all the time (on the dash). Anyone know if it will be costly to order tpms and have them installed after the wheels and tires are mounted,balanced,and on the car?
By the way if Honda is watching these, take a note from GM and offer better&bigger wheels/tires as options to your customers. |
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| Erniedog |
Hey 06,
I feel your pain or the pain to come out of this. Anyway, If I didn't remember to mention the TPMS sensors to the Discounttiredirect sales Rep. I too would have had to order TPMS separately. Thanks to Todd's post for giving me the insight to ask about them and the reset procedure.
The additional cost was $28.00 each but mine came mounted on the tire already so the installer just put them on and did the TPMS reset.
Since your tires have already been installed they'll have to remove them again to put the sensors on the valve stems.
Good Luck. |
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| ganseg |
| If I put four wheels on with no TPMS will it do anything other than show a light on the dash? I thought I read somewhere that in a certain error condition the TPMS would cause the stability control to turn off. I don't mind the light - I do mind loosing stability control! Thanks. |
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