| 05 Pilot 33K miles, Time for new tires - a few Q's
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| FTLOSM |
Hey all, wife has a 2005 Pilot with 33K miles on it, original Goodyear Integrity Tires, figured on getting new tires soon for her, our car (a 1997 Mercury Marquis) has goodyear assurance comfort treads and she loves the ride and control difference over the BF Goodrich's it had before.
I was thinking of maybe getting the Goodyear Fortera Triple Treds for the pilot here, a few quick questions.
First off anyone have these on their pilot and what do you think of them vs the stock Integrity's?
Second that Integrity is only a 30K tire right? Tread wise looks ok but figured it is probably time to change them here soon...
Lastly size, I would LOVE to see a thicker footprint tire on this pilot, stock rims, no body lift (all stock pilot) was wondering should I go with
235/75 R16's
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245/70 R16's
The 245/70's would be a tad shorter sidewall but thicker footprint right?
Would it clear fender wells on turns and bumps ok?
Not much of a tire expert but have read enough here to know the stock tires aren't the greatest so by summer I want to get her 4 new ones on there soon.
Thanks for any help,
Bill :) |
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| rocky |
I'm getting cranky again....:bangh: ....:bangh:
We need to make the search button bigger......its all out there |
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| FTLOSM |
| I have been searching about tires and reading other threads, but am not big into tires so figured I would ask about the size thing and such and confirm a few other things, sorry for buggin ya here I will just go elsewhere for Honda questions. |
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| jestmaty |
No man... don't go elsewhere. Good question re: tires though..
I have an '04 with 51,000 miles (not km) on the OEM Integrity tread and have been very impressed so far.
I tow a boat, a camper, and haul my precious wife and 2 boys (both under 12 years old) in my Pilot.
The original tread depth was 10/32" at brand, brand new. Now, after 51k miles, I have 5 on the edges and 6/32" in the middle of the tread. A lot of people here tend to take off their brand new, inferior?, Gy's and swap them out for new tread.
I'm not trying to start a pissing match about why the GYs are 'so' bad, but even though they are skinny, wimpy looking on our Pilots, there is nothing wrong with them for non-snowy/icy conditions. We get our fair share of rain down in SE Texas, but I have never had any problems with the OEMs
In a time when many are complaining about high gas prices, it seems that throwing away brand new tires to swap for 'better' aftermarket seems like $$ in the toilet. Last time I checked, $600 would buy about 150 gallons of gas, or roughly 2500 miles of driving @ $4 per gallon/17mpg. My gamble is that for every year I can go w/o buying new tires is that 2500 miles of driving that I buy with my $$. I don't feel like I'm compromising my family's safety at this point in the tire lifespan.
Nothing is more important than the 4, tiny contact patches your tires press down onto the road. I just feel that the GY's are adequate and safe 4 yrs down the road.
Again, I'm not trying to start a war, just letting you know about my experience with OEM GY after 4 years of ownership.
Going to go on a 150 miles r/t to the lake and back this coming weekend with the boat in tow, and have no hesitation about doing it on my 4 yr old, 51,000 mile GY Integrities.
Did I mention that I'm not trying to start a tire war or pissing match?
BTW... I will go with a 245/70 at least when I do have to buy new tires... maybe even 255/70. But remember, just going with a bigger tire doesn't equate to a larger footprint of tread... the rim width dictates that. I've put a 245/35/18 on my Nissan 240SX on a 7.5" wide rim. It looks ok.... but put that same 245/35 on a 9-10" rim and it looks totally different. Hard to explain, but trust me, wider tire on a 6.5" wide rim won't get you a much wider footprint.
Later, Jestmaty |
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| FTLOSM |
I will start searching for the max tire that can go on the stock 05 pilot's rims without causing issues for the rim or the fenders etc.
I would like something that retains similar tire height but a wider footprint but not being a huge tire person I get lost trying to compare them without seeing them side by side.
I saw in the fortera triple treads there were many sizes to choose from in the 16 inch rim, mine were stock 235/70/16's but they go upto 275/70/16's in that model but I guess the real test is finding out how big I can go on that stock rim and without causing rub or bump issues on the body.
Will search abit here to see what I can find on that.
Bill :) |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by FTLOSM
. . . .something that retains similar tire height but a wider footprint . . . .
Why? |
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| Sportymonk |
A couple of comments:
1. Rocky is correct to the point that there has been so much about tires and Integrities that it can be difficult to wade through and discern what you need.
2. Time is not generally a criteria unless you inherit a vehicle like my mother's car and the tires are dry rotted. Most tires come new with 10/32 or 11/32 tread depth. 2/32 is minimum. Tire Rack had an excellent video showing stopping distaances at new, 4/32, and 2/32. I am now a bveliever in tires at 4/32.
That said, I have Goodyear Integrities which were at 5-6/32 a while back and are probably hitting 4/32 now. So I am starting to look at tires.
Major tires people are into are Goodyear Triple Treds and GY Silent Armor. The TTs have better traction in snow and ice, the SAs are quieter. Many dislike the Intregties for their noise as well as their lack of handling in snow, ice, and heavy rain.
Also there at the Firestone Destination LEs, Bridgestone Alenza's, Michelin Cross Terrain's and the Michelin LX's.
As to Integrities, they are black, round, hold air, and are cheap to buy. I have lived with mine but will not get them again. I will probably go for the Bridgestone Alenza's.
Considerations you will read about are rolling resistance (higher resistance = worse mileage) and noise. Can't remember if you showed where you are from but folks up north need a good all season tire whereas us folks down south and out west are more concerned about wet and dry traction.
Now to start a bruhah, I would recommend a T rated tire as S rated are good for 112 mph and the Pilot tops out at 110 IIRC. Seems kind of close for a new tire, much less a older one. T rated are good for 118. H are 135, after that, I have never worried about it.
How you dirve is important. If you drive like Robrecht in his Miata or RX-8 (or me in my whatever I am in) you need performance tires. Otherwise don't worry about it.
Have fun, there is tons of info. I am sure somebody will now jump in thei comments on the Geolander 051/052 or 053s or the Yokohamas, etc. |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by FTLOSM
I will start searching for the max tire that can go on the stock 05 pilot's rims without causing issues for the rim or the fenders etc.
I would like something that retains similar tire height but a wider footprint but not being a huge tire person I get lost trying to compare them without seeing them side by side.
I saw in the fortera triple treads there were many sizes to choose from in the 16 inch rim, mine were stock 235/70/16's but they go upto 275/70/16's in that model but I guess the real test is finding out how big I can go on that stock rim and without causing rub or bump issues on the body.
Will search abit here to see what I can find on that.
Bill :)
According to a couple of tire specialist websites.... Tirerack and 1010tires.com.... the max tire width for the stock 6.5" Pilot wheel is 255/70...
Whether or not it fits when loaded down and turned lock to lock at the fronts??? Who knows?
I posted b4 (within the last couple of months) that when the time does finally come for new shoes, I'll test fit a 255/70 and check clearance front and rear, boat hooked up to fully compress suspension. I am personally looking for about an extra inch of diameter (taller tire) to lower my wheel rpms while towing my boat/camper in D3.
Seeing as how I can't get my stock GYs to wear out, I can't say for sure when that time will come |
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| mmmmark |
Not enough people seem to think about the Yokohama Geolanders. They are reasonably priced and are a capable all season tire. AND, they are very quiet on the road.
I'm quite pleased with mine.
Just another consideration. |
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| FTLOSM |
Thanks for the replies everyone, our main driving is highway trips from Detroit area to Chicago area (about 4-5 hrs each way), work wise we live onsite where wife works so some around town groceries and such but a bulk of our 33k has been trips to see family in Chicago.
We have our fair share of snow and gunky weather, and we are really impressed with the assurance comfort treds we have, they were a bit larger and on my marquis after the swap had a cooler wider footprint, figured that would be cool to see on the pilot too that was the only reason I was thinking larger.
Might just play it safe get something like a 245/70/16 TT and I am sure we would see feel and hear a difference over the stock GY Int. that came on it.
Bill :) |
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| jestmaty |
mmmmark... you're very right about the Geolandars. Both variations, the H/T and the A/T are highly rated at the tire sites. And relatively inexpensive too.
IIRC, the tread depth wasn't quite as deep as some others that I'm gravitating to. Can't think of any right now, but I'm interested in like 12 or 13/32" starting tread depth. I figure, why get a tire with 10/32 if I can get a good quality tire with more initial tread depth.
But, Yokos are still high on my list.. |
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| xGS |
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Originally posted by FTLOSM
Thanks for the replies everyone, our main driving is highway trips from Detroit area to Chicago area (about 4-5 hrs each way), work wise we live onsite where wife works so some around town groceries and such but a bulk of our 33k has been trips to see family in Chicago.
We have our fair share of snow and gunky weather, and we are really impressed with the assurance comfort treds we have, they were a bit larger and on my marquis after the swap had a cooler wider footprint, figured that would be cool to see on the pilot too that was the only reason I was thinking larger.
Might just play it safe get something like a 245/70/16 TT and I am sure we would see feel and hear a difference over the stock GY Int. that came on it.
Wider tread width is not an advantage in "snow and gunky weather."
Stay with the standard tire size. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by xGS
Wider tread width is not an advantage in "snow and gunky weather."
Stay with the standard tire size.
But not as "cool"! ;) ;) |
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| rocky |
| there are 21 other threads disussing 245/70 sized tires. There are also some at the 255/65 size. |
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| sjlee |
30k is a little soon to be changing out the OEM Integrities. We currently have over 37k on ours, and it still looks like they have a couple more years left in them. Check the tread depth... if there's more than 1/8" left, then you don't really need to replace them.
Like jestmaty, I don't really have any issues with the Integrities... and we see all four seasons up here. When it's time to replace them, however, I will probably look for something else... since there are less expensive and higher rated tires available.
If you're contemplating going with a bigger tire, I'd suggest you use an online tire calculator to find out the impact the bigger size will have. I think most tire places will only install a tire that's within a 3% change.
Here are some links to tire size calculators...
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp
BTW, beyond aesthetic purposes, a bigger tire won't really improve anything. It'll reduce your gas mileage, affect the speedometer reading and give a stiffer the ride. |
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| FTLOSM |
I don't know how I got it into my head but I thought the oem GY Int. tires were only good treadwear wise for 30K miles, I looked them up and it shows 50K according to tirerack
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warra...tirePageLocQty=
Guess I will ride them out thru the summer and change before the winter comes here for safer winter driving into 2009.
With all the size talk and different things people have tried from searching other threads will probably just stick to stock 235/70/16's till I have more $$ down the road to grab a set of new cooler rims and then get tires to match that (many ideas on these other threads of what to try).
Bill ;) |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by FTLOSM
I don't know how I got it into my head but I thought the oem GY Int. tires were only good treadwear wise for 30K miles, I looked them up and it shows 50K according to tirerack
Got over 65,000 on mine before a sidewall cut made me decide to change them.
I went to Michelin Cross-Terrains of the stock size. |
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| Jet-Pilot-64 |
quote:
Originally posted by FTLOSM
Hey all, wife has a 2005 Pilot with 33K miles on it, original Goodyear Integrity Tires, figured on getting new tires soon for her, our car (a 1997 Mercury Marquis) has goodyear assurance comfort treads and she loves the ride and control difference over the BF Goodrich's it had before.
I was thinking of maybe getting the Goodyear Fortera Triple Treds for the pilot here, a few quick questions.
First off anyone have these on their pilot and what do you think of them vs the stock Integrity's?
Second that Integrity is only a 30K tire right? Tread wise looks ok but figured it is probably time to change them here soon...
Lastly size, I would LOVE to see a thicker footprint tire on this pilot, stock rims, no body lift (all stock pilot) was wondering should I go with
235/75 R16's
or
245/70 R16's
The 245/70's would be a tad shorter sidewall but thicker footprint right?
Would it clear fender wells on turns and bumps ok?
Not much of a tire expert but have read enough here to know the stock tires aren't the greatest so by summer I want to get her 4 new ones on there soon.
Thanks for any help,
Bill :)
I have 60,000 miles on my Michelin Cross Terrains... still have plenty of tread left on them... |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by jestmaty
mmmmark... you're very right about the Geolandars. Both variations, the H/T and the A/T are highly rated at the tire sites. And relatively inexpensive too.
IIRC, the tread depth wasn't quite as deep as some others that I'm gravitating to. Can't think of any right now, but I'm interested in like 12 or 13/32" starting tread depth. I figure, why get a tire with 10/32 if I can get a good quality tire with more initial tread depth.
But, Yokos are still high on my list..
I wouldn't put much stock in initial tread depth. Rate of tread wear is really the key. I don't care where it STARTS, I just want it to wear down SLOWLY. :D |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by mmmmark
I wouldn't put much stock in initial tread depth. Rate of tread wear is really the key. I don't care where it STARTS, I just want it to wear down SLOWLY. :D
But not too slowly!
Hard wearing tire compounds have bad traction characteristics. ;) |
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| Sportymonk |
Tread wear is not uniform over the life ofa a tire. A new tire wears more quickly than a almost worn out. (I assume due to the tread squirm is greater than a new tire.) That is why new a tire at 5/32 seems to never wear out so we can justify getting a new tire at 4/32 or 3/32.
Also, as said above, harder compounds last a long time but are not good for grip. To me it is more important to hold the road than to last a long time. |
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| mmmmark |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
But not too slowly!
Hard wearing tire compounds have bad traction characteristics. ;)
But of course. Finding a happy medium and/or not paying an arm and a leg is the challenge!:D |
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| andyschneider |
So I know I've said this probably 10 times in other threads, but heck, I'll do it again. :D
Living in an area that you get snow in the winter, you need somethign that'll behave properly in all conditions, and also wear a long time with consistent behavior over the life of the tire. My personal choice, based on having 2 Pilots with them and about 6 other vehicles, is the Michelin LTX M/S. Our '04 Pilot had 39k miles on the set at lease turn in (I put them on when the Pilot was brand new) and still had 50% of the tread remaining, and my current '07 Pilot has almost 20K on the tread and still showing over 10/32" of tread. They've been outstanding in the winter, smooth riding all the time, cut through water great, and relatively quiet on the highway. The Cross Terrain perhaps is a bit quieter, but looses it's winter grip more quickly than the LTX. And while the TripleTreads have gotten good reviews, people around here have been disappointed with them as the tires hit the 50% wear mark, specifically in the winter.
Michelin LTX M/S, Load Rating 104, in the stock 235-70R16 size, gives you a good footprint and all of the benefits I outlined above. It'll be amazingly better than the Integrity's, and you won't worry about tires again for a very long time...
andy |
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| mmmmark |
You wouldn't even make 30k on those tires here in TX. The roads are too rough and are like sandpaper on the tires. One time I got 32k (to the wear bars) on an 80k tire. It's ridiculous.:rolleyes:
They do what they call "seal coating" on the crappy blacktop. It is dime to penny size gravel that they put down with this heavy oil/tarry semiliquid. It makes road noise horrendous and makes tires fall apart as if they were made out of pencil erasers.
They claim that the state has done "studies" and that it is by far the best and cheapest solution.
The other crappy thing is that I've had 4 windshields replaced in 5 years. :rolleyes:
Hopefully I'll get to leave this state someday!! |
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| sblvro |
| I'm past the 2/32 on my 61,000 miles of using the Bridgestone A/T Revo's with 245/70R16 and will be replacing it anytime with the same tire or downsize to stock 235/70S16 Bridgestone H/L Alenza. I'll do the 30 day trial on the Alenzas and if it fits the bill of having the performance of the A/T Revo, it will be my new tire. I'll miss the OWL though:) |
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| mainerunr |
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Originally posted by sblvro
I'm past the 2/32 on my 61,000 miles of using the Bridgestone A/T Revo's with 245/70R16 and will be replacing it anytime with the same tire or downsize to stock 235/70S16 Bridgestone H/L Alenza. I'll do the 30 day trial on the Alenzas and if it fits the bill of having the performance of the A/T Revo, it will be my new tire. I'll miss the OWL though:)
funny, I was just going to ask why no one seems to ever mention Revo's. Probably go with those when it's finally time to replace the tires on the pilot (I'm thinking way way out, we still have less than 500 miles on her right now).
as for traction and tire wear, softer compounds are not always better for traction either. most M/T's are pretty soft but they're also horrible in rain and snow (unless they are siped, most are not). I'm sitting at around 33k on my Interco Trxus (on my truck) and will be replacing them shortly with another set (if I had a spare set of wheels, I'd run Revo's except when I go offroad). |
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| sblvro |
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Originally posted by mainerunr
funny, I was just going to ask why no one seems to ever mention Revo's. Probably go with those when it's finally time to replace the tires on the pilot (I'm thinking way way out, we still have less than 500 miles on her right now).
as for traction and tire wear, softer compounds are not always better for traction either. most M/T's are pretty soft but they're also horrible in rain and snow (unless they are siped, most are not). I'm sitting at around 33k on my Interco Trxus (on my truck) and will be replacing them shortly with another set (if I had a spare set of wheels, I'd run Revo's except when I go offroad).
I like the revo's performance, handling characteristics both in the dry and wet conditions. but the draw back is noise because of the aggressive tire design. after leaving the tire dealer with the new alenza, the pilot suddenly seems so quiet to drive, no more tire hum or noise depending on speed(can be confused with AWD failure). it drives like a lexus! the only thing I noticed is it is not as sharp in handling vs the revos. as long as it performs great in the wet and snow, I'll keep it. |
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| Tosh1 |
| Continental CrossContact LX. In 245/70 size they are perfect fit, just half inch taller (29.5 compare to original 29). And price is rigt too - Mavis sell them for less then $100.- |
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| Tosh1 |
| Load rating is 107 (OEM is 104 - way too soft), thread is 12/32. |
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| Erniedog |
I just ordered 4 Enkei WMD's and a set of 4 Yokohama's.
255/55/18 from Discount Tire Direct. With the TPMS.
I'll post some pic's once I'm all set up. I was going to wait until the Integrities wore down but I'm also for the wider footprint which should give me a better ride for our upcoming trip to Disney, Orlando and then on to West Palm to visit family. |
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| xGS |
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Originally posted by Erniedog
I just ordered 4 Enkei WMD's and a set of 4 Yokohama's.
255/55/18 from Discount Tire Direct. With the TPMS.
I'll post some pic's once I'm all set up. I was going to wait until the Integrities wore down but I'm also for the wider footprint which should give me a better ride for our upcoming trip to Disney, Orlando and then on to West Palm to visit family.
Why should the wider footprint give you a better ride?
If anything, you'd expect that the shorter sidewalls would be a detriment to ride comfort. |
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| Erniedog |
| The Integrities feel loose at high speeds. 70ish. I'm not looking for Porsche handling but a better grip on the road makes more sense to me regardless. |
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| mattbrat |
Love the Yokohama Geolandars on mine too!
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Originally posted by mmmmark
Not enough people seem to think about the Yokohama Geolanders. They are reasonably priced and are a capable all season tire. AND, they are very quiet on the road.
I'm quite pleased with mine.
Just another consideration.
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