| darnelled |
Anyone else have such easy tire spin? It happens almost every time I go quickly from a standstill or turning (dry pavement).
Is it the tires? I only have 10k miles on them so far. |
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| humanoid |
| If you still have the crappy Goodyear Integrity Tires then yes, they tend to do that. |
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| jcantanixon |
| The tires don't grip all that well with 4wd, I'd imagine they're horrible with FWD. |
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| krygny |
Whoa, back up the truck!! Every FWD car I've ever driven spun the front tires if I'd punch the accelerator into a turn from a stand-still. (Like when you're pulling out of a shopping center onto the street and traffic is bearing down.) Even my $#|+box Subaru did it. It happens because the drive wheels are effectively pulling less weight in the direction of travel. I can even get my Pilot to do it momentarily before the VTM starts helping out.
If you think a new set of tires will stop it from happening, you may be disappointed. There are other/better reasons to get new tires, but there's nothing inherently wrong with the Goodyear Integretys (despite the overwhelming desire by some in this forum to rag on them). They're not the right tires for the Pilot but they're not bad tires. |
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| LChisum |
krygny,
I second that opinion.
Larry :4: |
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| Sportymonk |
What is the tire pressure? A long time ago (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) I bought a set of K-Mart KM-225's for my Ford Fairmont since people told me they were make by Uniroyal. Well, made by and made to the specs of are not the same thing. If the pressure was lowered, they swayed in lane changes and turns. If the pressure was increased, they spun as you described. I would check the pressure. Spec is 32, I run 34-35 with no problems on my 05.
BTW I just got rid of my Integirties at 53,000 miles and bought Bridgestone Alenza's Love them. |
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| youbetcha |
I don't have many issues on dry pavement in my 2wd with OEM integrities. But spinning the tires on wet pavement, from a standstill, takes a lot less throttle than you might think.
It is probably a combination of several contributing factors, like high torque + larger vehicle mass, the type of road surface you are on, how the car's weight shifts from a launch, and (yes) the tires themselves. So you can probably solve some of the issue with new tires.
Also, if you are used to driving a smaller vehicle like a sedan, then you probably had to push it harder to reach its traction limits. |
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| Pairallel |
quote:
Originally posted by krygny
there's nothing inherently wrong with the Goodyear Integretys. They're not the right tires for the Pilot but they're not bad tires.
This is the same tire that comes standard on a Toyota Corolla, and they choose to put them on an SUV? Huge mistake...so yes, they shouldn't be on the Pilot. I would go so far as to say they were inherently unsafe on my Pilot on wet roads.
I think the switch to the more expensive Forteras and LTX's for 2009 confirms the error made on the Gen 1 Pilot.
On my 2003 Corolla, they were not much better; also very slippery on wet roads.
At best, Integritys are a low-end or average tire. I felt strongly enough to replace them on my Pilot and my Corolla with < 10k on them, and the replacements were infinitely better. |
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| dragoncoach |
| The Goodyears really suck. Do a search and you will find all kinds of info. Two or fulltime 4wd doesn't matter. The tires still suck. Swap them out for some REAL tires. My oem's didn't corner or perform in the wet at all. So, after 1 year and 8k miles, I got the Bridgestones and have never regretted it. I am a firm believer in putting the best tires you can afford on your car...because your life may very well depend on them. |
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| sjlee |
I agree with both krygny and LChisum. We still have the OEM Integrities on our Pilot. They have 38k miles on them now.
We've driven it in downpours and snowstorms. Never have we had any issues with traction in any condition. If I thought for an instant that the tires would compromise my wife's or my safety, I would've replaced them already.
Do I think the Integrities are a good tire? Not at all... they're average in my book. I think there are better tires out there that cost less money, but I saw no reason to replace the tires before they are worn out.
Granted this is my experience with them. People drive differently. If people find that they're having issues with the Integrities, I definitely see why they would replace them early.
For the OP, I think the key phrase is "go quickly from a standstill". Ease onto the gas when starting from a stop... it'll reduce the wheelspin as well as help your gas mileage. |
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| krygny |
| Most people have strong opinions about tires. I've had consistently good experience with Michelin and Goodyear, and bad experiences with Bridge|Fire stones. Regardless, it's unlikely that changing tires will have much affect on the phenomenon described by the OP. It's normal. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by krygny
Most people have strong opinions about tires. I've had consistently good experience with Michelin and Goodyear, and bad experiences with Bridge|Fire stones. Regardless, it's unlikely that changing tires will have much affect on the phenomenon described by the OP. It's normal.
I've had Michelins, Dunlops, Firestones and Goodyears. Worst set of tires I've ever had were the Michelins... XGT V4... which were stock on my Integra. When brand new snow traction was subpar (bordering horrible)... just got worse as they wore on. Only upside was that they lasted 66k miles. |
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| mmmmark |
39k on Integrities and and they have at least 15-20k left on them. They aren't great but they aren't as bad as people think. Some people want "grippy" rubber, but they pay for it (both up front and in less tire wear). So they cost 2x up front and then you have to replace them TWICE as often. RESULT: you pay 4X as much for the tires.
Ok, I'm exaggerating, and of course there are happy medium tires, but I think you get the point.
Generally tire wear and excellent road grip are inversely proportional.
This brings me to a pet peeve of mine. People treat Tirerack's ratings as gospel. Remember....they are simply opinions of people with this whipped up herd mentality that think they need something besides Integrities. :D |
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| youbetcha |
| krygny, do you like your fortera tripletreads? |
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| youbetcha |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
This brings me to a pet peeve of mine. People treat Tirerack's ratings as gospel. Remember....they are simply opinions of people with this whipped up herd mentality that think they need something besides Integrities. :D
I usually start the tire buying process by making up my mind, then I do sensible things like asking questions and reading consumer reports. :D
Seriously, if you read Tirerack's posts critically it can help. Some posts are more specific, which I find a bit more credible if you see several postings that tell a similar thing. I tend to think that if someone has a specific, reasonably cohesive story, then they probably are giving their honest perception. But you will never really know until you have the tires slapped on. |
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| darnelled |
| What about those who also replaced the rims with larger ones and wider tires? Did that help much with traction? |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by darnelled
What about those who also replaced the rims with larger ones and wider tires? Did that help much with traction?
What kind of traction are you asking about... dry, wet, snow?
Going with bigger wheels translates to worse snow traction... as you will have a wider tire with a lower profile.
You may improve grip, but at the expense of handling and gas mileage.
Most people will go with bigger wheels for cosmetic reasons... not for improved traction. |
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| krygny |
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Originally posted by youbetcha
krygny, do you like your fortera tripletreads?
I could not be more pleased. Bad weather performance is my top priority and these tires are outstanding in rain, snow and slush. But they're so good year-round, there's no need to swap out summer/winter tires. If I needed new tires, I would absolutely buy another set. But, I've got about 24K on them and there doesn't seem to be more than 30% wear, so I won't be needing tires for a while. I expect to get at least 60-70K out of them.
Oh yeah, they look really cool too. Unlike the Integretys, they don't suggest "minivan". |
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| youbetcha |
quote:
Originally posted by krygny
I could not be more pleased. Bad weather performance is my top priority and these tires are outstanding in rain, snow and slush. But they're so good year-round, there's no need to swap out summer/winter tires. If I needed new tires, I would absolutely buy another set. But, I've got about 24K on them and there doesn't seem to be more than 30% wear, so I won't be needing tires for a while. I expect to get at least 60-70K out of them.
Oh yeah, they look really cool too. Unlike the Integretys, they don't suggest "minivan".
Thanks. That is helpful to me because I had a set on a Toyota Highlander, and I also thought they did very well in bad weather, plus were also surprisingly composed and quiet on dry roads, especially considering the large treads. The Pilot and the Highlander (prior generation) in general have a very different road feel to start with. So I wasn't sure if I would like the same tires on the different car, but I'm pretty convinced now that I would be happy with them. |
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| mmmmark |
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Originally posted by sjlee
Most people will go with bigger wheels for cosmetic reasons... not for improved traction.
Larger overall tire/wheel circumference gives you a better ratio of tire revolution to engine revolution which increases your gas mileage by lowering your rpms.
You are right, that if they wheels ALSO get wider, you negate the benefit. |
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| sjlee |
quote:
Originally posted by mmmmark
Larger overall tire/wheel circumference gives you a better ratio of tire revolution to engine revolution which increases your gas mileage by lowering your rpms.
You are right, that if they wheels ALSO get wider, you negate the benefit.
Not to mention that in some cases, the bigger wheels are also heavier. |
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| jrdahl |
| Check out the surveys and reviews at Tire Rack - the Integrity's are by all accounts terrible tires in nearly all categories. |
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| youbetcha |
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Originally posted by jrdahl
Check out the surveys and reviews at Tire Rack - the Integrity's are by all accounts terrible tires in nearly all categories.
You obviously didn't see mmmark's comments above about Tire Rack :D |
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