| Roger |
| I just paid $7.31/qt for tranny fluid at the dealer. Is there any place else to get Honda tranny fluid cheaper? $7.31 just seems too high!! |
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| N_Jay |
| You can try some other dealers, and you can try Acura dealers, but I don't think there is any fluid that claims compatibility except AMSoil (and I am not a big AMSoil fan) |
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| whizmo |
Mail order it's a little cheaper, but not by a whole lot and you have to make a big enough order to defray the shipping costs:
http://www.handa-accessories.com/pilmaint06.html
For a dealer price, yours is pretty good.
For this particular application, I'd stick with the Honda stuff.
- Mark |
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| Roger |
quote:
Originally posted by whizmo
Mail order it's a little cheaper, but not by a whole lot and you have to make a big enough order to defray the shipping costs:
http://www.handa-accessories.com/pilmaint06.html
For a dealer price, yours is pretty good.
For this particular application, I'd stick with the Honda stuff.
- Mark
I've always used Honda ATF for many years now but man, $7.31 is pretty steep. I change it every 15K (tranny oil is the ONLY fluid I "short" change") which for the Pilot means around every 2 years so it isn't going to break me, but jeeeze!
K, I'll stop whinning now:D |
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| ctobio |
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Originally posted by Roger
I've always used Honda ATF for many years now but man, $7.31 is pretty steep.
I changed the manual gearbox oil in my VW- $25 a liter, and it takes 2.5 liters.
The power steering fluid is about $25 a liter as well.
These Hondas are cheap! |
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| mfisher1967 |
| With a Preferred Customer membership the Amsoil ATF costs about $7 per quart and it is a much better fluid. If you want to stick with the Honda Z1 ATF, your only real lower cost option is to buy in quantity from someone like H and A. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by mfisher1967
. . .Amsoil ATF . . .is a much better fluid.
Based on? |
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| ctobio |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Based on?
Marketing? |
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| Eat3r |
| You can also buy ACDelco ATF-Z1 at any Saturn dealership. The '04-'07 VUE uses the same Engine/Trans as the Pilots. I don't know what the price is because dealership prices vary around the country but it is another option to look into. It could possibly be cheaper than your local Honda dealer. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Eat3r
You can also buy ACDelco ATF-Z1 at any Saturn dealership. The '04-'07 VUE uses the same Engine/Trans as the Pilots. I don't know what the price is because dealership prices vary around the country but it is another option to look into. It could possibly be cheaper than your local Honda dealer.
Great idea.
So obvious, but no one has mentioned it before!:4: |
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| mfisher1967 |
| The Amsoil ATF quieted down the transmission in my wife's 2006 LX. Shift quality is about the same, perhaps slightly better. The fluid also stays bright red between drains, which is in stark contrast to the dark reddish brown color that the Honda Z1 ATF takes on after ~20,000 miles. |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by mfisher1967
The Amsoil ATF quieted down the transmission in my wife's 2006 LX. Shift quality is about the same, perhaps slightly better. The fluid also stays bright red between drains, which is in stark contrast to the dark reddish brown color that the Honda Z1 ATF takes on after ~20,000 miles.
How many miles did you have on Hinda fluid and how many so far on AMSOil? |
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| Roger |
Mods,
If this turns into an oil vs. oil thread please delete it. It was started to whine about tranny fluid price, nothing more.
Thanks |
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| normkol |
| Bernardiparts.com charges $4.95/qt. That's as low as I've seen. |
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| mfisher1967 |
I performed the first drain/fill using the Honda Z1 ATF at 27,000 miles. I figured that I was getting an early drain, but the fluid had already turned fairly dark. Dark fluid in and of itself is not a good indicator of how well any given ATF is holding up, but it is one indicator.
I then decided to perform an ATF drain/fill every other engine oil change. This appeared to be cheap protection for a transmission that costs several thousand dollars. My wife and I typically drive vehicles until the wheels fall off, so this made sense to me.
I use Amsoil engine oil and have been impressed with it based on Used Oil Analysis results. I am not an Amsoil fan boy, as I have also used Mobil One 5W-20 and Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20 with good results. For these reasons, it made sense to try the Amsoil ATF.
By 37,000 miles the transmission sounded a bit ragged during the 1st gear to 2nd gear shift before it had warmed up. It was almost as though the shift was taking place too late and the engine RPM's were too high when the shift did take place. I was not happy with the way it sounded.
I performed the first drain/fill with Amsoil ATF at 37,500 miles. The Amsoil ATF immediately corrected the delayed 1st gear to 2nd gear shift issue. I also felt that the shift quality was slightly better with the mix of Honda Z1 and Amsoil ATF. Keep in mind that the 2WD transmission holds about 9 quarts and one drain/fill is just slightly over 4 quarts.
Bottom line, the Honda Z1 ATF is fine, but I would perform a drain/fill about every 15,000 to 20,000 miles. The 30,000 mile drain interval seems too long in my opinion. Using a 30,000 mile drain/fill, 5 of the 9 total quarts in the system will end up having to last 60,000 miles. This is just too many miles for any fluid in my humble opinion.
I like the Amsoil ATF, but the Honda Z1 ATF will do just as well if more frequent drain/fills are performed. No, I am not an Amsoil dealer! |
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| NJGuy |
$7.31 is probably the best price you're going to get at a Honda dealer. Bernardi Honda I think actually charges $5.70 per quart now ($4.95 is the price of the manual transmission fluid). After shipping, it would only cost a hair more for me to buy from my local dealer. Same thing goes for me with H&A accessories.
I called various dealers today to find out how much they sell the ATF-Z1 for. Here are my results:
Local Honda Dealer (by my home): $8.41 / quart
Honda Dealer by my work: $7.31 / quart
Acura Dealer by my work: $7.48 / quart
Both local Saturn Dealers: $5.72 / quart
It does pay to shop around. I believe the Saturns use GM/AC Delco/Saturn brand ATF-Z1, part number 22717466. I'm off to the Saturn dealer this week since my wife's Accord is due for an ATF change. |
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| Roger |
quote:
Originally posted by NJGuy
$7.31 is probably the best price you're going to get at a Honda dealer. Bernardi Honda I think actually charges $5.70 per quart now ($4.95 is the price of the manual transmission fluid). After shipping, it would only cost a hair more for me to buy from my local dealer. Same thing goes for me with H&A accessories.
I called various dealers today to find out how much they sell the ATF-Z1 for. Here are my results:
Local Honda Dealer (by my home): $8.41 / quart
Honda Dealer by my work: $7.31 / quart
Acura Dealer by my work: $7.48 / quart
Both local Saturn Dealers: $5.72 / quart
It does pay to shop around. I believe the Saturns use GM/AC Delco/Saturn brand ATF-Z1, part number 22717466. I'm off to the Saturn dealer this week since my wife's Accord is due for an ATF change.
Wow, $8.41, I'll shut-up now!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:
I swear I remember it being around $4 two years ago when I did the last change. But then gas was also $2/gal!!!! |
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| NJGuy |
Well, I stopped by the Saturn dealer during lunch. Picked up 8 quarts of the AC Delco ATF-Z1 for $48.96 (7% tax).
The parts guy questioned my purchase. I told him I got the price from someone yesterday. He told me that she was a new employee and wasn't familiar with their "system". :rolleyes:
When he asked what type of car, I told him that I was doing a drain & fill for my sister in law's VUE, 60-70K miles (all fictional :) ). He told me that the fluid usually comes in gallon containers and he also "strongly" recommended that I purchase some sort of plug attachment(?) and an additive labled "DEX-CVT" in a small syringe. He even had a tech come over to the parts counter to tell me that I "seriously needed it or the tranny would sustain lots of damage" :19: . To get them to stop their sales pitch, I told them I'd take my chances without the add-ons.
He probably figured out I was BSing him (I parked my Pilot in front where it was easily seen) and tried to throw it back to me. Either that, or there was some type of miscommunication or confusion. Oh well, at least I got what I wanted. :) .
The only problem I have now is finding the time to do a drain and fill, as the next few weekends for me are pretty much booked. |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by NJGuy
He told me that the fluid usually comes in gallon containers
Did you find out what they sell the gallons for? |
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| NJGuy |
quote:
Originally posted by N_Jay
Did you find out what they sell the gallons for?
I didn't try to find out. I'm a pretty bad liar to begin with so I didn't want to make the situation worse for myself. I have a feeling that they don't sell the stuff in gallon jugs but I could be wrong. I just picked up the fluid with the GM part number I posted earlier just to be safe. The parts guy may have had things mixed up too. He did ask for the VIN to verify that I was getting the right stuff for the fictional Vue, but of course I didn't have it :D . He may have thought I was dealing with a Vue without the Honda engine/tranny, which would most likely use a different fluid that's available in gallon jugs.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll buy my ATF from Saturn. I found the part number for the fluid on an Accord forum. For whoever else will be the next to buy from there, feel free to find out if they sell in gallons. :) |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by NJGuy
I didn't try to find out. I'm a pretty bad liar to begin with so I didn't want to make the situation worse for myself.
Why did you feel the need to lie at all?
You really think they care if you are putting it in a Honda??:rolleyes: |
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| NJGuy |
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Originally posted by N_Jay
You really think they care if you are putting it in a Honda??:rolleyes:
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, who knows? :p
I'm sorry that I didn't approach it the way you would have. If you want to find out if they sell the stuff in gallon jugs, how much would you trust some random guy like me on an internet message board to find out for you? :) . I'm sure a phone call to your nearest dealer would yield the result you want. I just wanted to share my story and I'm just happy that I have the stuff I was looking for. :cool: |
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| N_Jay |
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Originally posted by NJGuy
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, who knows? :p
I'm sorry that I didn't approach it the way you would have. If you want to find out if they sell the stuff in gallon jugs, how much would you trust some random guy like me on an internet message board to find out for you? :) . I'm sure a phone call to your nearest dealer would yield the result you want. I just wanted to share my story and I'm just happy that I have the stuff I was looking for. :cool:
Was just curious.
It is a good thing to know that you can get it it GM dealers. Thanks for that tidbit.
I guess I am just the curious type. If someone says "hey this stuff comes in gallons", I ask "How much" without thinking.
So far I have had the ATM changes done at the dealer, so I have not worried much about the per-quart price.
However, it does seem to be a common discussion on the forums. |
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| normkol |
I did the same recently, for my Mazda Tribute.
I needed an ignition coil and none of the parts stores had one in stock. So, I went to a Ford dealer and told them it was for a Ford Escape.
I just didn't want to hear any spiel about not being sure they were the same. I know the engine/tranny are exactly the same. |
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| N_Jay |
I used to shop parts for my Porsche from VW, Audi and Porsche dealers to get the best price.
Never even crossed my mind not to just ask for what I wanted.
Me: "I need the drivers seat-back release from a 1976 Porsche 930 turbo with black leather seats."
Parts chick: "You know that is the exact same part as almost any year VW bug."
Me: "Of course. I am putting it on my Martini edition 924." |
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| NJGuy |
For those who are curious, here's a photo I took of the bottle today.
Next time I stop by Saturn, maybe I'll try telling the parts guy that I'm going to try the fluid for my Hondas. I'll also find out if they sell it in gallon containers or offer a discount if buying by the case or in bulk.
I did a bit of looking around again online. Since the guys in the odyclub forums tend to do more frequent tranny fluid changes, they're always on the lookout for the best deals on the ATF-Z1. One site I found was www.partsquick.com . Fluid is about $6.77/quart now with free shipping on orders over $50. Others have had success buying their fluid for good prices at Carquest (item no. WPS Z8001-88443OES Honda A/T Fluid). |
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| BedfordFred |
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Originally posted by normkol
Bernardiparts.com charges $4.95/qt. That's as low as I've seen.
Except they won't sell it to you. I ordered a bunch of fluids along with some other maintenance supplies, and they only shipped the non-fluids, along with an email that fluids can only be picked up at the dealership. |
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| normkol |
First of all, I was wrong about the price, it's $5.70. $4.95 is for manual tranny fluid, as has already been pointed out.
I made an order with Bernardi about a month ago, including 4 qts of tranny fluid and a gallon of VTM. They shipped the whole thing to me, no problem.
I had it shipped where I work, a commercial address, in case that makes a difference.
Also, different states may have regulations about shipping chemicals. My delivery went to New Jersey. |
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| Eat3r |
quote:
Originally posted by NJGuy
Well, I stopped by the Saturn dealer during lunch. Picked up 8 quarts of the AC Delco ATF-Z1 for $48.96 (7% tax).
The parts guy questioned my purchase. I told him I got the price from someone yesterday. He told me that she was a new employee and wasn't familiar with their "system". :rolleyes:
When he asked what type of car, I told him that I was doing a drain & fill for my sister in law's VUE, 60-70K miles (all fictional :) ). He told me that the fluid usually comes in gallon containers and he also "strongly" recommended that I purchase some sort of plug attachment(?) and an additive labled "DEX-CVT" in a small syringe. He even had a tech come over to the parts counter to tell me that I "seriously needed it or the tranny would sustain lots of damage" :19: . To get them to stop their sales pitch, I told them I'd take my chances without the add-ons.
He probably figured out I was BSing him (I parked my Pilot in front where it was easily seen) and tried to throw it back to me. Either that, or there was some type of miscommunication or confusion. Oh well, at least I got what I wanted. :) .
The only problem I have now is finding the time to do a drain and fill, as the next few weekends for me are pretty much booked.
The ATF-Z1 is not available to Saturn dealers in gallon jugs. The guy who was trying to sell you the plug and the additive is a complete moron. The plug, additive and the DEX-CVT gallon container is for the disastrous CVT transmission that GM decided to put in the VUE & ION for a few years, which regardless of what fluid or additive you put in will self destruct within 70K anyway. It is a completely different transmission and takes a completely different kind of fluid. I only know this because I have worked in a Saturn parts dept. for the last 4 years. |
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| NJGuy |
quote:
Originally posted by Eat3r
The ATF-Z1 is not available to Saturn dealers in gallon jugs. The guy who was trying to sell you the plug and the additive is a complete moron. The plug, additive and the DEX-CVT gallon container is for the disastrous CVT transmission that GM decided to put in the VUE & ION for a few years, which regardless of what fluid or additive you put in will self destruct within 70K anyway. It is a completely different transmission and takes a completely different kind of fluid. I only know this because I have worked in a Saturn parts dept. for the last 4 years.
Thanks for the info. I was already very skeptical when they were trying to sell me those add-ons. With a label of DEX-CVT on the bag, I instantly thought the additive was for some type of Dexron fluid intended for a CV Transmission. And the plug attachment was an even more foreign idea to me. Of course I knew that none apply to the Honda sourced transmission. :)
By the way, I last bought my ATF from Bernardi Honda and they shipped it to my house in NJ. That order was about 13 quarts I think. |
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