| jestmaty |
Decided to order from tirerack today (4) 245/70/16 General Grabber UHPs !!!!
Can't wait to get them now. I live in Houston and they ship from Shreveport, Louisiana... which is only 4 hours away or so....
I have researched, studied, compared, tormented over, bounced around just about every make of tire available in the 245/70 series.
I guess the catalyst for me "deciding" was the $$ and the reviews on the net. $91 + 18 shipping = $109 each and General is offering a $50 Visa gift card with 4 tire purchase. Makes 'em about $385 and I'll spend another $80 or so for mounting and balancing.
I have had General tires for about a year on my wife's Pontiac Vibe, although they are a performance, low profile tire, and I'm really happy with them after 10,000 miles. The SUV tire that I bought is seems to be fine for Pilot and Element owners at the TR ratings area.
Others that I considered were the Fuzion ( Bridgestone house brand ),Yokohama HT-S, Pirelli Scorpion, Kumho, and the Hankook tire.
I guess my last year's experience with a General Tire product prompted me to get a safe but inexpensive tire for my Pilot. I'm still at approximately 5/32" on all four Integrities, but at 53,000 miles and 4 hot, humid Texas summers, I just feel that they are approaching the end of life....
I may just stick the new ones in a closet for a few more months until I totally wear out my Integrities
I was really hoping to try on 255's, but I'm kinda straying away from sticking that wide of a tire on the smallest recommended rim width. I've learned over the years that sticking a wide tire on a skinny rim does not get much, if any, performance/visual appeal. The contact patch shrinks, the gas mileage sometimes suffers, and the tire just generally gets 'pissy' when squeezed on the narrow wheel.
I'll report back later once I get 'em mounted and a few miles on them. |
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| jestmaty |
Ordered new tires from Tirerack at 1:00 p.m. on Wednesday and got them Thursday at 11 a.m. at my house.
To install or not install right away??.. That is the question..
All 4 OEM Integrities have 4-5/32" on the edges and 5-6/32" in the center. Although the above numbers appear fine, the tires look really "tired" :2:
New tires are in the garage with a sheet draped over them.
Here is the new size ( 245/70 ) next to the worn OEM Gys. |
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| bentley98 |
I was looking at the Consumer Report Review in the below thread ( which I personally regard high) and was leaning towards Pirelli Scorpion and Dunlop Radial Rover AT.
http://hondapilot.org/forums/showth...&threadid=21681
Is the General referred by you the same as CR says? |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by bentley98
I was looking at the Consumer Report Review in the below thread ( which I personally regard high) and was leaning towards Pirelli Scorpion and Dunlop Radial Rover AT.
http://hondapilot.org/forums/showth...&threadid=21681
Is the General referred by you the same as CR says?
Nah....
CR is referring to a tire only carried by sears to my knowledge. I only went with Generals because my wife's Pontiac Vibe has had a set on her car for the last year/10,000 miles. My tires are not the low profile tires that she has on her car, but we're thrilled with the overall performance and wear characteristics of her tires.
We can only hope that the same holds true for mine.
Price, safety, performance all considered... I think I'll be a happy Piloteer for many years to come riding on the Generals. |
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| iivtecracerii |
we have them. excellent for the price IMO. much more dry grip and definitely more wet grip than the OEM bridgestones we had, and quieter too. they are wearing better than the bridgestones too, which were completely gone by 30k. we got about 20k on them and fronts are maybe half gone and rears have plenty of tread left (havent been rotating...i know, bad...). i say we could probably get 45-50k out of the grabbers.
as far as mounting, we got them mounted and balanced at walmart for less than $20. for all 4. :)
i have the Exclaim UHP's on my accord, and for $86 per tire for low profile 18's i'm very very satisfied with how well the perform. |
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| jestmaty |
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Originally posted by iivtecracerii
we have them. excellent for the price IMO. much more dry grip and definitely more wet grip than the OEM bridgestones we had, and quieter too. they are wearing better than the bridgestones too, which were completely gone by 30k. we got about 20k on them and fronts are maybe half gone and rears have plenty of tread left (havent been rotating...i know, bad...). i say we could probably get 45-50k out of the grabbers.
as far as mounting, we got them mounted and balanced at walmart for less than $20. for all 4. :)
i have the Exclaim UHP's on my accord, and for $86 per tire for low profile 18's i'm very very satisfied with how well the perform.
Hey there!! Thanks for the headsup! I was wondering if someone had these tires on their Pilot.
I appreciate the update on how yours are doing. Walmart sounds like a good place for mounting and balancing for little $. |
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| bentley98 |
jestmaty, since considered Pirelli Scorpion and other tires before you went General Grabber, did you find anything negative about Pirelli Scorpion or Dunlop Radial Rover AT.
Since I am in Arizona, I am not worried about ice braking etc for which these tires scored low in the CR comparison |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by bentley98
jestmaty, since considered Pirelli Scorpion and other tires before you went General Grabber, did you find anything negative about Pirelli Scorpion or Dunlop Radial Rover AT.
Since I am in Arizona, I am not worried about ice braking etc for which these tires scored low in the CR comparison
Pirelli Scorpion appears to be a great tire.. don't know anything about the dunlop...
The Generals are strictly a non-snow/ice tire although it does carry the M + S designation?
I'm not sure when I'll get them mounted because I still have tread on the OEM GY's. |
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| bentley98 |
Local Walmart guy said that, they would mount only those brands that are carried by Walmart...General seems to be not on the list.
Discount tire would price match the Genreal Grabber with tire rack...for 245/70's its coming to $594 - 50 Visa Gift card...$544 out of the door:)
He highly recommends Geolander HTS in 245/70's for Pilot...He is ready to do the Geolander for the same price of Grabber's since the Geolanders are in stock :) Decisions...Decisions :D |
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| jestmaty |
Bentley.... I loved, loved the Geolandar HTS, but someone here or on tirerack said they got a wa, wa, wa, wa, thumping kind of noise after about 10k miles.
They are still inexpensive and were initially my first choice because I also like the look of outlined letters on the tires. I don't usually scrub the walls of my tires too often, so the letters would have stayed nice for the life of the tire.
My General UHPs were $437- $50 gift card = $387. Firestone will mount and balance out the door for about $21 per tire. They did it recently on my Nissan 240SX. $387 for tires plus $84 mounting and balancing is +/- $471 out the door.
I've always used Discount in the past, but tirerack saves me by not charging tax.... although I do get to pay about $18 per tire for shipping:rolleyes:
Still sitting, unmounted in my garage... the OEM Integrities still have 5-6/32" tread on em :3: Good, but bad because it is still too early to throw 'em out..... Those suckers won't die, although quite a few people on this board seem to think I'm driving on borrowed time. They hated the Integrities with a passion and while I think they are cheap, they have safely gotten me almost 53,000 miles thus far and still going strong. |
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| xGS |
quote:
Originally posted by bentley98
... did you find anything negative about Pirelli Scorpion or Dunlop Radial Rover AT.
Since I am in Arizona, I am not worried about ice braking etc for which these tires scored low in the CR comparison
Take another look at the CR comparison.
The Pirelli Scorpion STR-A, Dunlop Radial Rover AT and the Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S all have relatively higher rolling resistance, which will cost you 1.5-2 MPG compared to any of the tires in the group with the lowest
rolling resistance. |
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| bentley98 |
Good point about the rolling resistance...Is there any data avaikable about General Grabber's on rolling resistance?
Geolanders, road noise after the honeymoon/10k miles, is it a common problem? |
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| bentley98 |
Ordered a "set" today:) You all have to wait till I post pictures to find out what it is:D :D
Now I need to do some burn outs on the Integrities before its thrown out:D :D |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by bentley98
Ordered a "set" today:) You all have to wait till I post pictures to find out what it is:D :D
Now I need to do some burn outs on the Integrities before its thrown out:D :D
Well good for you! I'm gonna have to guess Generals since this the General UHP thread and you probably have questions on other threads regarding tires.
As far as burnouts go.... I never have been able 'cause I have AWD and the tires never will break loose! That would sure be one way to wear 'em out faster! |
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| NJGuy |
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Originally posted by jestmaty
As far as burnouts go.... I never have been able 'cause I have AWD and the tires never will break loose! That would sure be one way to wear 'em out faster!
you're not trying hard enough :D
Aged GY integrities just need a wet surface; you should have absolutely no problem breaking traction then. :2: |
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| Sportymonk |
Jestymat, I feel your pain. I had 50,000 miles on my Lack of Integrities (There were ok, black, round, etc.) but THEY WOULDN'T WEAR OUT! Tire Rack has an excellent video demonstrating braking on tires that are new vs. 4/32 vs. Minimum 2/32. That convinced me to replace at 4/32. I got to 5 - 6 /32 and THEY WOULDN'T WEAR OUT! I have heard that rie wear is non-linear. The first 1/32 wear off faster than the last 1/32/ Hence the may wear fast at first but then seem to slow down on wear. Thus on a Tire that starts at 12/32, it is not half worn at 6/32.
I got down to 4/32 and 5/32 and Bridgestone had what I wanted on sale so I went ahead and got them, Alenza's.
Don't let the new tires dry rot sitting around.
(Too do burn outs, turn off the VSC and pump the pressure up to 40 psi, that ought to do it:p )
Let us know when you get the new tires on. |
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| jestmaty |
Hey sporty!!
I saw that clip on tirerack too! A long time ago....
That video prompted me to call my tires 'toast' at 4-5/32" for safety and peace of mind. Problem is that I have a tire tread depth gauge and it still shows 4-5/32" on the edges of all 4 tires and 5-6/32" in the middle :mad:
As I've mentioned b4, I just can't change 'em out until I see 4/32" across the board..... Per this thread, I've already bought new tires, they are just sitting in my garage (loosely covered) until the time comes..
'04 Pilots have no way to turn off traction control, so short of doing burnouts on the wet, slick boat ramp, I can't wear 'em out ( doing awd burnouts at the ramp.... classic!!! :2: ) |
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| bentley98 |
quote:
Originally posted by jestmaty
Well good for you! I'm gonna have to guess Generals since this the General UHP thread and you probably have questions on other threads regarding tires.
Yes it is the Generals....I took inspiration from Jestmaty and ordered the Generals. :)
It’s been a week, and I am really impressed with the way this has transformed the Pilot. Coming from a HPDE and Auto-x back ground, I can absolutely feel and appreciate the handling difference. :)
At the same time, any tire upgrade from GY Integrities should feel more or less the same…:mad:
Haven’t done much of bench mark testing but have been going around the curves without much drama or squealing :2: :2: |
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| Waterhound7 |
Can you post a few pics of the Pilot with the new 245/70 16's
Trying to get a sense of how they fit ... any issues with rubiing puliing a boat/loaded.
Thanks! |
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| aappel |
Hi there -
I'va always trusted the tirerack reviews in my purchasing decisions. The generals UHP were the 4th set of tires I have bought fom them, and now with 5,000 miles they seem to be getting much louder. I have decided to replace them with something else (possibly Avons), which is an expense I didn't expect.
They look great and handle just, but I think either the tread pattern or something else makes them sound like mudbogger treads on a Monster truck. I won't buy another set.
FYI. |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by aappel
Hi there -
I'va always trusted the tirerack reviews in my purchasing decisions. The generals UHP were the 4th set of tires I have bought fom them, and now with 5,000 miles they seem to be getting much louder. I have decided to replace them with something else (possibly Avons), which is an expense I didn't expect.
They look great and handle just, but I think either the tread pattern or something else makes them sound like mudbogger treads on a Monster truck. I won't buy another set.
FYI.
Well.... I got the Grabbers mounted today. Boy are they an improvement over the 55,000 mile OEM Integrities!
But, as pointed out before, anytime new tires are mounted, especially after the years and miles on my Gy's, any new tire will seem like magic. True, the 'newness' and deep tread are making for an exceptionally smooth ride.
They are loud, kinda like knobby tires on a monster truck, but I'll just turn up the radio. Not bad 'loud', just more noticeable than I'm used to. Heck, I have 2 boys under 12 years old, the Pilot is never quiet unless I'm in in by myself:p
I officially have 11 miles on the new tires as of tonight. I'll post a pic tomorrow of the aggressive tread pattern.
If anyone is keeping score, I'd have to give a hickey to the suitability of the Generals for our Pilots. Unless you like more noise when you mount new tires, you'll be sorely dissappointed. Me..... I don't mind, but I also don't put 40,000 miles per year on my Pilot. My seat time isn't really all that much.
Not dissappointed at all, just stating an obvious fact that these tires are not for 'quiet' Piloteers. |
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| jestmaty |
quote:
Originally posted by Waterhound7
Can you post a few pics of the Pilot with the new 245/70 16's
Trying to get a sense of how they fit ... any issues with rubiing puliing a boat/loaded.
Thanks!
Just had 'em mounted today, haven't pulled the boat yet. I'll be sure to let you know how the 245's fit when the Pilot is loaded down with a boat in tow. Pics coming Friday am, it's dark outside now. |
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| rocky |
quote:
Originally posted by jestmaty
Just had 'em mounted today, haven't pulled the boat yet. I'll be sure to let you know how the 245's fit when the Pilot is loaded down with a boat in tow. Pics coming Friday am, it's dark outside now.
Anything is better than the GY, as Honda must now realize having dumped them.
Still don't quite understand why the GY I had stopped holding air after 48k, but I was ready to get rid of them before last winter arrived so no problem there with that problem at all.
FWIW, I notice that the Alenzas I have are on every Caddy Escalade I see. |
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| jestmaty |
| 245/70/16 on driver side front |
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| sagaliba |
| Without knowing the rubber compund, the tread pattern looks good for dry and wet traction, but may not be great for snow (not enough sipes). But you probably would not care giving where you live. :) Also, bigger blocks tend to be quiter. |
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| jestmaty |
Actually, after driving it around today, it really isn't bad at all. It could be that my GY's were smooth as a baby's butt, thus no noise at all. The new Generals aren't all that noisy, but they are BRAND new also. Could get noiseier as they age.
The tire rack doesn't even rate these tires for snow use, even though they do have the M & S stamp on 'em.
If you look at the earlier posts in this thread, you'll see the relatively aggressive, choppy, large tread blocks. The strong points, according to tire rack reviews, are wet and dry traction. I think 245's should have been standard from the beginning..... and they look bada** on the Pilot. Much more butch than b4.
And another observation.....
The reason for somewhat 'premature' mounting of the new tires is that I'm taking 2 friends in my Pilot from Houston to Dallas for business on Monday. It's only about 260 miles each way. The mileage on the OEM GY's was 55,100 when I replaced 'em yesterday. I kept one old GY ( why? I don't know ) with 4/32" on the edge and 5/32" in the middle. They came with 11/32" new back in May '04.
I purposely ran my hands inside and outside the new General b4 they were mounted. Much more rubber on the new tires. The new also felt stiffer and stickier. The old Gy's feel slick as snot and hard, hard compound. There really isn't much left at that depth to resist punctures (flats). Last thing I wanted is to get a flat, blowout, or any tire problem while taking a trip to Dallas. Plus, it would suck to have a tire problem while towing my boat. I got 4.25 good years and 55,000 miles from the GY's
Boat season still goes for about 4 weeks down here in hot, hot Southeast Texas. |
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| sagaliba |
jestmaty,
What you said is pretty consistent with what I said (i.e., good dry and wet traction, but not great in snow).
When I said “big block,” I meant the Grabber, it has bigger blocks than Integrity, so I do expect them to be quite.
I did looked at the earlier posts. My observation was based on the picture you posted on your 1st and 2nd posts.
Enjoy your new tires! :7: :) |
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| jestmaty |
Wow!!!
What a nice ride. Old, hard, worn tires = :28: :28:
Nice, new tires = :claphead: :29:
550 mile round trip to Dallas, Tx and back was really comfortable on the new shoes (tires) I now have 600 miles on the new tires, and have zero regrets so far.
Any slight noise has gone away and these Generals track straight as an arrow!
$ 453 OUT THE DOOR!! TIRES, MOUNTED, AND BALANCED |
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