| panamamike |
I have recently purchased an '06 Pilot 2WD about a month ago.
My first negative experience was spinning out the front tires in some wet conditions. I didn't think I had really pushed the car that hard. After some posts people basically told me I was being a bit too aggressive with my driving and did make some admission that the Goodyear Integra weren't the best wet weather traction tires.
Fast fwd a few weeks; we've now gotten our first good rain in some time. I happen to live in a house that has a drive way with a steep incline, id say anywhere from 30 to 45 degrees. The driveway is about 4 car lengths. This, a.m. I tried to go up that incline and about 1/3 or the way up, at the steepest incline the car slides back. I give it a little gas and the tires just spin out.
I tried this exercise about 6 different times , slow, fast, 2nd, 1st gear ect... I could not get up the driveway.
The good years still have plenty of tread, so it's not that they are bald and I was able to go up the incline in my wife's Avalon with out any trouble.
Question is this, it it the tires or can it be that the weight distribution center of gravity of the Pilot is as such that is has poor traction on steep grades? I'm considering new tires to address the problem, but I'd hate to make the investment just to find that the tires aren't the problem.
I'm pretty let down by this problem. I truly hope it's the tires, but I can't believe a product that would be that bad with traction would be sold on the market.
Any input would be appreciated
Regards,
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| NJGuy |
I'd recommend that you get new tires. It seems like the issues you've been having can happen quite often and upgraded tires will reduce (but maybe not fully eliminate) the chance of them happening.
In my experience, the GY integrities were pretty good for about 10-12K miles. After that, they started to get a bit more slippery in the wet, even though there was lots of tread left. It's probably due to the aging and heat cycling of the rubber compound. I currently have an old pair with a decent amount of tread left & a new pair of those tires mounted on my Pilot. The difference in traction between the front and rear in the wet is pretty apparent. Since you have an '06 model and the Integrities don't wear fast, your tires could possibly be the original set.
You do have other options. You could:
1. Back up into your driveway all the time.
2. Trade for a 4wd.
3. Re-grade/re-do your driveway.
4. Move to a different house.
However, most these options do require a bit more of investment than a tire change. :)
You kind of answered your question by saying that the Integrities weren't the best wet weather traction tires. If you check the tire forum here, you'll see how much people liked their new tires in comparison to the OEM set. Most said switching to a different tire was like night and day. I haven't upgraded so I can't comment personally. Good luck. :cool: |
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| djstorm |
There's definitely a reason why so many people on this board have complained about the GY Integrity tires. Most of the people who complained have switched their tires out to tires such as:
- Goodyear Fortera TripleTred
- Goodyear Fortera SilentArmor
- Goodyear Fortera HL
- Michelin LTX
- Michelin Cross Terrain
- Bridgestone Dueler HL Alenza
- Yokohama Geolandar H/T
See this link for ratings on the Integritys:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Model=Integrity
The most popular tires that fellow "Piloteers" have switched to are the Fortera Tripletreds, SilentArmors, the Michelin LTXs and the Cross Terrains.
I had Bridgestone Dueler H/T 684s on my Pilot EX AWD when I bought in 2006. They were good for the first 15,000 miles, then they went slick on me. I tried the SilentArmors, but living in the Midwest, I needed more traction. I now have the Tripletreds, which are an amazing tire, IMO. Others have had excellent luck with the Cross Terrains and LTXs from Michelin.
Either way, any of the above tires would be a significant improvement over what you have right now, I think... |
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| spikeitaudi |
| Got get some new tires. Those integrities are the absolute worst tires you can get. That is what you get for 70 Dollar OEM tires. I got Michelin Cross Terrains and they are much much better. |
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| spikeitaudi |
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Originally posted by djstorm
There's definitely a reason why so many people on this board have complained about the GY Integrity tires. Most of the people who complained have switched their tires out to tires such as:
- Goodyear Fortera TripleTred
- Goodyear Fortera SilentArmor
- Goodyear Fortera HL
- Michelin LTX
- Michelin Cross Terrain
- Bridgestone Dueler HL Alenza
- Yokohama Geolandar H/T
See this link for ratings on the Integritys:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Model=Integrity
The most popular tires that fellow "Piloteers" have switched to are the Fortera Tripletreds, SilentArmors, the Michelin LTXs and the Cross Terrains.
I had Bridgestone Dueler H/T 684s on my Pilot EX AWD when I bought in 2006. They were good for the first 15,000 miles, then they went slick on me. I tried the SilentArmors, but living in the Midwest, I needed more traction. I now have the Tripletreds, which are an amazing tire, IMO. Others have had excellent luck with the Cross Terrains and LTXs from Michelin.
Either way, any of the above tires would be a significant improvement over what you have right now, I think...
Agreed any of the tires mentioned above are much much better. |
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| mikey159 |
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Originally posted by panamamike
I have recently purchased an '06 Pilot 2WD about a month ago.
My first negative experience was spinning out the front tires in some wet conditions. I didn't think I had really pushed the car that hard. After some posts people basically told me I was being a bit too aggressive with my driving and did make some admission that the Goodyear Integra weren't the best wet weather traction tires.
Fast fwd a few weeks; we've now gotten our first good rain in some time. I happen to live in a house that has a drive way with a steep incline, id say anywhere from 30 to 45 degrees. The driveway is about 4 car lengths. This, a.m. I tried to go up that incline and about 1/3 or the way up, at the steepest incline the car slides back. I give it a little gas and the tires just spin out.
I tried this exercise about 6 different times , slow, fast, 2nd, 1st gear ect... I could not get up the driveway.
The good years still have plenty of tread, so it's not that they are bald and I was able to go up the incline in my wife's Avalon with out any trouble.
Question is this, it it the tires or can it be that the weight distribution center of gravity of the Pilot is as such that is has poor traction on steep grades? I'm considering new tires to address the problem, but I'd hate to make the investment just to find that the tires aren't the problem.
I'm pretty let down by this problem. I truly hope it's the tires, but I can't believe a product that would be that bad with traction would be sold on the market.
Any input would be appreciated
Regards,
Mike
Your problem is one of gravity, the driveway is sloped pretty good, weight distribution, the slope means the weight is transferred fro mteh front tires to the rear tires and the fact that the GoodYears are terrible in the wet. As you are transferring the weight off the front tires, thru the slope of the driveway, and the tires are not good to start with, your problems shows up. You may wish to learn how to back up the driveway in the end. It will put the weight on the front tires, which in your case are the drive wheels. This will make your tires last much longer for your particular situation. |
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| panamamike |
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Originally posted by mikey159
Your problem is one of gravity, the driveway is sloped pretty good, weight distribution, the slope means the weight is transferred fro mteh front tires to the rear tires and the fact that the GoodYears are terrible in the wet. As you are transferring the weight off the front tires, thru the slope of the driveway, and the tires are not good to start with, your problems shows up. You may wish to learn how to back up the driveway in the end. It will put the weight on the front tires, which in your case are the drive wheels. This will make your tires last much longer for your particular situation.
Thanks for the input, my driveway is somewhat odd. I don't go uphill from the street level, I actually go down hill to get to my garage, and it ends in a 90 degree turn area.
When I get out of the garage, to get to the road level, I'm traveling up hill.
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| Sportymonk |
You might also consider some sort of traction aid in the driveway like boards or some way of roughing up the driveway like the highway rain grooves.
Can you post a photo of this driveway? |
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| panamamike |
Shot from the bottom of the drive way. Hard to get a feel for the angle.
Here's one from the top down. A better angle idea.
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| dbthompson |
If it were me, I'd
1. get better tires
2. back up out of your garage. Iit looks like a not too bad turn out of your garage, but then you're backing into the street, and so you also need to ...
3. get the extra mirrors to post on the sides of your driveway to let you know if someone is coming.
AWD down the road might be good too - I've had steep driveways, and one was wide enough for me to use momentum & slide to get up, but the other one required my Subaru (at the time). |
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| Sportymonk |
Glad it doesn't snow much in Austin! It snowed once when I was there at Bergstrom AFB, 19880 or 81 I think. Threw the town for a loop. They used almost all the sand/salt they had the first day. My wife's insurance firm wasn't closing until I walked and said Bergstrom was clsoing. The boss was an old military person and he decided it was time to close. Took a co-worker of my wife home in Round Rock and it took almost an hour! (For those not familiar with that part of the pround nation of Texas, it is not that far a drive.)
By the way, if it snowed and you tried to go down the driveway, what is at the end of the driveway besies those bushes? It looks like quite a drop off. I think I would park on the street, even in the Subie.
Hope Old San Francisco Steak House is as good as it use to be. :drool: :29: :drool: |
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| deryzzle |
I have 245's on my pilot, they are GY Fortera SilentArmor. The height was increased, and man these tires stick to the pavement like glue! unlike the GY integrities, no more cry!
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| panamamike |
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
Glad it doesn't snow much in Austin! It snowed once when I was there at Bergstrom AFB, 19880 or 81 I think. Threw the town for a loop. They used almost all the sand/salt they had the first day. My wife's insurance firm wasn't closing until I walked and said Bergstrom was clsoing. The boss was an old military person and he decided it was time to close. Took a co-worker of my wife home in Round Rock and it took almost an hour! (For those not familiar with that part of the pround nation of Texas, it is not that far a drive.)
By the way, if it snowed and you tried to go down the driveway, what is at the end of the driveway besies those bushes? It looks like quite a drop off. I think I would park on the street, even in the Subie.
Hope Old San Francisco Steak House is as good as it use to be. :drool: :29: :drool:
Going off the edge would be a very bad thing, it's about a 12 foot drop. If it snows, I'll be staying home thank you. However, I do need to get out after a good rain. I hope the tires do the trick.
Unfortunately the Old San Francisco Steakhouse closed down here in Austin. However, we now have a 3 Forks.
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| Roger |
It's a combination of the tires and 2wd. I bought integrities for my 2wd CRV and that thing would barely take off from a stop sign on level ground in the wet without spinning the tires (1st gen CRV with NO power).
Those are the only tires I've gotten rid of before they were worn out. I put triple treads on it and have had no more problems. If the Pilot was AWD you'd have no problems. Ditch the tires for something better and all will be well. |
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| Sportymonk |
Thread Highjack - Yeah but I bet Three Forks soesn't have the saloon girls winging over the bar and the two upright pianos on top of the bar (for those that never ate there it was a wiidde bar.) The service there was inpecable when I ate there. Food was great. Oh well, life moves on.
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion on Badyear Lack of Integrities :p
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Originally posted by panamamike
Going off the edge would be a very bad thing, it's about a 12 foot drop. If it snows, I'll be staying home thank you. However, I do need to get out after a good rain. I hope the tires do the trick.
Unfortunately the Old San Francisco Steakhouse closed down here in Austin. However, we now have a 3 Forks.
Mike
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| mikey159 |
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Originally posted by panamamike
Going off the edge would be a very bad thing, it's about a 12 foot drop. If it snows, I'll be staying home thank you. However, I do need to get out after a good rain. I hope the tires do the trick.
Mike
In your last picture, viewing down towards the garage, there is a section of concrete towards the left. Is that more driveway or sidewalk? If driveway you could back up the driveway and into there and then pull out into the street. It may need you to ease the corner a bit to make it less sharp but with the weight on the front tires you shouldn't have any trouble. I think those tires should last you quite a while, they seem like good ones. For your next vehicle you might think 4wd though. You oculd also talk to some driveway companies about "scoring" your driveway to provide drainage grooves. That will make the driveway like your tires, with grooves for the water to run in and concrete on top for you to drive on. Also you didn't show the top where the water first comes down the driveway, you might provide an alternative drain system up there to keep some of the water from coming down in the first place. I think "scoring" is the best idea though. Although not cheap it is MUCH cheaper than a new car!! |
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| Silver_ZHP |
| Well after the dryest August in history here in mid Tennessee, we finally had some rain this weekend. It was our first experience on wet roads with our new 4WD Pilot. I wasn't really giving the GY bashing I've been reading around the site much credit, but I have to say, as far as wet traction goes, these are absolutly the worst tires I have ever driven on. Again, we have a 4WD and even modest accelleration causes the car to become disconnected from the road. I don't know what Honda was thinking.... GoodYear must practically give these things away. |
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| mikey159 |
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Originally posted by Silver_ZHP
Well after the dryest August in history here in mid Tennessee, we finally had some rain this weekend. It was our first experience on wet roads with our new 4WD Pilot. I wasn't really giving the GY bashing I've been reading around the site much credit, but I have to say, as far as wet traction goes, these are absolutly the worst tires I have ever driven on. Again, we have a 4WD and even modest accelleration causes the car to become disconnected from the road. I don't know what Honda was thinking.... GoodYear must practically give these things away.
I just switched to the Michelin Crosst Terrain SUV tires and they are night and day different! With the GY I could stomp on the gas pedal and do a 4wheel slide thru the corner, they WERE pretty worn out at 47,000 miles. With the new tires the car just FLIES!! |
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| fdiphill |
I have an 06 Pilot 2wd with the GY OEM's, let me say I go through the same BS as you described. If I'm at a red light and it's wet or even just a light mist on the ground I'm spinning all over the place. I live in Boston and no way am I driving on these this winter, I've actually lost control in slush and a few inces of snow. I've looking at the Michelin and will most likely buy them. I've read many posts where people say you have a heavy foot, slow down and learn to drive a Pilot... Bull it's just poor tires and I only have 18K on them. Good luck.
fdiphill
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by fdiphill
I've looking at the Michelin and will most likely buy them.
If you are looking at the CT's that mikey159 references, then keep looking if you are in MA. Had the CT's on the MDX and I was not impressed with winter traction at all. The TT's we have on the Pilot now are far superior in the snow. If you are looking at the Michelin LTX's, then, never mind...........Link |
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| NJGuy |
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Originally posted by Silver_ZHP
Well after the dryest August in history here in mid Tennessee, we finally had some rain this weekend. It was our first experience on wet roads with our new 4WD Pilot. I wasn't really giving the GY bashing I've been reading around the site much credit, but I have to say, as far as wet traction goes, these are absolutly the worst tires I have ever driven on. Again, we have a 4WD and even modest accelleration causes the car to become disconnected from the road. I don't know what Honda was thinking.... GoodYear must practically give these things away.
I'm not really trying to defend the GY's too much, but keep in mind the conditions you were in.
If it has been about a month since you last had rain, the roads likely would have collected lots of dust, dirt, and oil. When the first rain comes after a dry spell like that, the roads will be pretty slippery, regardless of what you're driving. I don't know the exact situations you were in when you lost traction upon acceleration, but typically there is more oil & such that collects around intersections and turns where vehicles slow down or stop. So those areas would be even worse.
Yes, the Integrities aren't great and there are much better tire models out there, but I don't think they're 100% of the cause for some of the traction issues some of the Pilot owners have been experiencing. Maybe 99% :) . |
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| deparson |
I agree with 99%. I could do a power slide in the rain turning a corner before we put on the Fortera TTs. Stuck like glue after that.
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Originally posted by NJGuy
I'm not really trying to defend the GY's too much, but keep in mind the conditions you were in.
If it has been about a month since you last had rain, the roads likely would have collected lots of dust, dirt, and oil. When the first rain comes after a dry spell like that, the roads will be pretty slippery, regardless of what you're driving. I don't know the exact situations you were in when you lost traction upon acceleration, but typically there is more oil & such that collects around intersections and turns where vehicles slow down or stop. So those areas would be even worse.
Yes, the Integrities aren't great and there are much better tire models out there, but I don't think they're 100% of the cause for some of the traction issues some of the Pilot owners have been experiencing. Maybe 99% :) .
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| sagaliba |
| I heard a lot of good things about TripleTreds, just wonder how it performs when it is old. As part of the TripleTreds's design is that some grooves are deeper than others, wonder how the tires perform when all the grooves are worn to the same depth. Anybody with any experience? |
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| deparson |
We got ours down to 5/32nd before selling the Pilot (2 is time to replace) and did not notice any difference from new.
It had no problems in 14" snow when they were ~ at 6 or 7 /32nds.
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Originally posted by sagaliba
I heard a lot of good things about TripleTreds, just wonder how it performs when it is old. As part of the TripleTreds's design is that some grooves are deeper than others, wonder how the tires perform when all the grooves are worn to the same depth. Anybody with any experience?
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| dustino8 |
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Originally posted by sagaliba
I heard a lot of good things about TripleTreds, just wonder how it performs when it is old. As part of the TripleTreds's design is that some grooves are deeper than others, wonder how the tires perform when all the grooves are worn to the same depth. Anybody with any experience?
Somebody else mentioned that certain sipes (sp?) are deeper than others. I checked mine and they all looked to be the same depth. I've went through three winters with mine, and I think I noticed some decreased performance on ice last winter. However, that is to be expected, as they had approximately 50k km on them. Still think they are a great tire, and would replace with the same. The only negative for me is the stiff sidewall, which makes pavement cracks and expansion joints more noticeable, but the handling is improved as a result. |
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| mikey159 |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
If you are looking at the CT's that mikey159 references, then keep looking if you are in MA. Had the CT's on the MDX and I was not impressed with winter traction at all. The TT's we have on the Pilot now are far superior in the snow. If you are looking at the Michelin LTX's, then, never mind...........
I would agree with this statement...if you live where it snows alot, the CT's may not be for you. I live near DC and when it snows we get an inch or so and then EVERYHTING shuts down! I did buy the LTX's for my son's 4wd pickup though. He live in NC but does go off road occasionaly. I NEVER go offraod in my Pilot and since I don't travel to snowy areas when it is snowing, the CT's will work just fine for me. I have been to MA but it was summer time, on vacation. The GY's were on it then and they were fairly new so no problems, lately the GY's would not even hold the turn in wet weather! They HAD to go!!! The least bit of water running over the road and they would hydroplane. Even at 5mph they would hydroplane!!! I did keep the best of the 4 though for a full size spare. |
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