| krambrain |
I'm so pissed right now. The dealer just called and the "mystery noise" from my pilot means it needs a new transmission (something about a 'torque converter'). This will cost around $3,000. I bought this thing new in 2003 and have done everything by the book with maintenance.
I said, "How long can I drive it like this?". They said, "The last guy drove his a year". The last guy?!? So, this a common issue?
It only has 85,000 miles on it. This is my first Honda. Why did I spend the extra $ on a Honda just to have it fall apart? Replacing a tranny at this low mileage is something I expect from a cheap car company, not Honda.
Doesn't anybody anywhere make anything decent anymore?
I guess from now on I'll just stick with Toyota. My Corolla lived up to it's name, unlike this POS. |
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| SDPILOT |
| My 2003 also had a transmission problem at 90k miles. I was in shock as I too had all of the recommended work done. Since I had all but one service done at the same dealership, they installed a refurbished transmission but only charged me $500. They must have covered the rest as a goodwill replacement. The goodwill worked because I continue to take both of my cars to the same dealer. My Pilot now has 107k miles and everything is running smoothly. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
I'm so pissed right now. The dealer just called and the "mystery noise" from my pilot means it needs a new transmission (something about a 'torque converter'). This will cost around $3,000. I bought this thing new in 2003 and have done everything by the book with maintenance.
I said, "How long can I drive it like this?". They said, "The last guy drove his a year". The last guy?!? So, this a common issue?
It only has 85,000 miles on it. This is my first Honda. Why did I spend the extra $ on a Honda just to have it fall apart? Replacing a tranny at this low mileage is something I expect from a cheap car company, not Honda.
Doesn't anybody anywhere make anything decent anymore?
I guess from now on I'll just stick with Toyota. My Corolla lived up to it's name, unlike this POS.
Transmission problems are not common for the Pilot - other models have had significant tranny problems, but the Pilot did not. The 2003 Pilot has a better than average CR transmission reliabilty rating in it's class and the 2004/up trannies are rated much better than average. There is no such thing as a zero failure rate, all manufacturers will have some problems (google Toyota V6 sludge problems). It would take me too long to list all the serious problems we had with our 2004 Toyota Sienna............
Push the issue higher - request an appt with the Regional Honda rep and call Honda Corporate. Honda has been good about covering major out of warranty issues under 100K. |
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| sblvro |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
I'm so pissed right now. The dealer just called and the "mystery noise" from my pilot means it needs a new transmission (something about a 'torque converter'). This will cost around $3,000. I bought this thing new in 2003 and have done everything by the book with maintenance.
I said, "How long can I drive it like this?". They said, "The last guy drove his a year". The last guy?!? So, this a common issue?
It only has 85,000 miles on it. This is my first Honda. Why did I spend the extra $ on a Honda just to have it fall apart? Replacing a tranny at this low mileage is something I expect from a cheap car company, not Honda.
Doesn't anybody anywhere make anything decent anymore?
I guess from now on I'll just stick with Toyota. My Corolla lived up to it's name, unlike this POS.
is it just a noise, with no driveability issues? try a second opinion. it can be something else, like loose driveshaft, worn front wheel bearing etc. |
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| dbthompson |
Sorry, but your post total (5) and join date (May 2003) made me wonder when your last post was. Here it is:
"I must admit, this is my first Honda and I thought I couldn't go wrong. Instead I've had the "scrunch" (dealer replaced sealer), the recurring SRS light issue (still working with dealer) and now this.
It's just a car, I love driving it, and it's still a cool ride. But I'm basically dissappointed.
FWIW, next time I'm sticking with Toyota."
From thread: NEW TRANSMISSION RECALL
Date: 04-17-2004
My Crystal Ball into the future - Krambrain's next post:
Thread subject: "Transmission almost dead"
Date: 12-24-2012
My Pilot just crossed 150k miles, and the transmission is almost dead! ...
Next time I'll just stick with Toyota!
(full tongue in cheek)
P.s. I hope your dealer can cut you a little slack on the tranny. Many years back, I had a Dodge tranny fail just out of warranty, and Dodge was willing to cover labor.
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Originally posted by krambrain
I'm so pissed right now. The dealer just called and the "mystery noise" from my pilot means it needs a new transmission (something about a 'torque converter'). This will cost around $3,000. I bought this thing new in 2003 and have done everything by the book with maintenance.
I said, "How long can I drive it like this?". They said, "The last guy drove his a year". The last guy?!? So, this a common issue?
It only has 85,000 miles on it. This is my first Honda. Why did I spend the extra $ on a Honda just to have it fall apart? Replacing a tranny at this low mileage is something I expect from a cheap car company, not Honda.
Doesn't anybody anywhere make anything decent anymore?
I guess from now on I'll just stick with Toyota. My Corolla lived up to it's name, unlike this POS.
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| malmon |
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Originally posted by dbthompson
Sorry, but your post total (5) and join date (May 2003) made me wonder when your last post was. Here it is:
"I must admit, this is my first Honda and I thought I couldn't go wrong. Instead I've had the "scrunch" (dealer replaced sealer), the recurring SRS light issue (still working with dealer) and now this.
It's just a car, I love driving it, and it's still a cool ride. But I'm basically dissappointed.
FWIW, next time I'm sticking with Toyota."
From thread: NEW TRANSMISSION RECALL
Date: 04-17-2004
My Crystal Ball into the future - Krambrain's next post:
Thread subject: "Transmission almost dead"
Date: 12-24-2012
My Pilot just crossed 150k miles, and the transmission is almost dead! ...
Next time I'll just stick with Toyota!
(full tongue in cheek)
P.s. I hope your dealer can cut you a little slack on the tranny. Many years back, I had a Dodge tranny fail just out of warranty, and Dodge was willing to cover labor.
I don't get it, you dug up his old posts for...?
I concur with krambrain, the build quality on the pilot is really bad. Compared to the other hondas that we have owned, this is the worst honda vehicle. |
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| rocky |
The OP's emotions have gotten the better of him and it shows.
That said if you have been faithful in servicing the tranny, and had servicing with the dealership then you probably have a good chance of getting Honda to comp you the tranny while you pay say $1000.
Hopefully Honda hasn't changed their approach. Don't forget the Tranny was subject to the recall and addition of an oil jet.
But that said exactly what is the noise you are referring to sounding like? |
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| Bowzer |
Of the vehicles I have had experience with both foreign and domestic, both Honda and Toyota remain the most dependable and consitent by far. Not without their own versions of failure, but by far the most dependable.
THat said, the weak spot in my 99 Accord was the tranny at 67k miles and it was completely covered by Honda (a common practice Honda had for these). As mentioned by other replies, if you have the records of good maintenance, Honda very well may work with you on some of the cost.
Note who is reponsible for what though: The dealer doesn't "goodwill" costs in these scenario's. THeir role is to first diagnose the problem you brought the Pilot in for. They can then contact Honda with the technical data about what they have found. A Honda District Representative then decides on behalf of Honda what Honda Corp is willing to do reviewing both your service history and the input of the mechanics. So, sometimes you are at the mercy of how well the dealer fights for your cause. In this case, I'm a bit dosapointed if your dealer has not already at least consulted Honda Corp for help on your behalf. (Note that the dealers make less money per hour on warranty repairs when paid by Honda and that sometimes comes into play for motivation.)
You can make sure your own voice is heard by contacting the honda Customer line and requesting discussions with the Honda rep also. I would recommend that. Be constructive in your conversations. No one wants to hear only about how you will only go with Toyota from now on because you think everyone at Honda sucks. Instead, concentrate on how you have had good overall performance (if that's the case), have diligently maintained the vehicle, and are simply looking for options of more support for something you just wouldn't expect from this vehicle's history or caliber.
In my experience, Honda has gone well beyond what most manufacturers are willing to do in supporting their customer base; but you have to be supportive of a reasonable agreement. |
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| sblvro |
| when you say by the book maintenance, does it mean every 45K miles tranny fluid drain and fill and VTM fluid every 15K miles? I did that and so far tranny issues for me. although at 138K miles, I don't know if honda goodwill still applies. was maintenance done at the dealer too? I know somebody who had tranny failure firsthand too. she ignored the VTM/tranny light and kept driving the pilot. it eventually needed replacement. I think they paid $1K, and not the full amount. |
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| krambrain |
So, I got a pleasant surprise this morning. Dealer called and Honda will pick up most of the cost. This is going to cost me $650. I did not expect that at all.
I get a 3 year/36K mileage warranty on the new tranny too. Pretty impressive. But I'll admit I'm still dissapointed that this happened at all...$650 isn't exactly chicken feed.
BTW, dude who called me out for "emotions getting the better of me"..uh yeah, isn't that what "I'm so pissed right now" usually means? We're not all Spock, man. |
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| dbthompson |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
So, I got a pleasant surprise this morning. Dealer called and Honda will pick up most of the cost. This is going to cost me $650. I did not expect that at all.
I get a 3 year/36K mileage warranty on the new tranny too. Pretty impressive. But I'll admit I'm still dissapointed that this happened at all...$650 isn't exactly chicken feed.
Congratulations! I know $650 is not chicken feed, but it's heck of a lot easier than $3k. Great to know that Honda is standing behind its product. I hope you don't run into any more problems. |
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| sblvro |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
So, I got a pleasant surprise this morning. Dealer called and Honda will pick up most of the cost. This is going to cost me $650. I did not expect that at all.
I get a 3 year/36K mileage warranty on the new tranny too. Pretty impressive. But I'll admit I'm still dissapointed that this happened at all...$650 isn't exactly chicken feed.
BTW, dude who called me out for "emotions getting the better of me"..uh yeah, isn't that what "I'm so pissed right now" usually means? We're not all Spock, man.
congrats on your new tranny. this is one way honda sweeps it under the rug away from all the news. maybe it is a silent recall? remember when they had to install the jet kit? because they did it voluntarily, it was not in the radar of consumer reports and they still gave very good ratings, all those honda magazines, unbelievable! |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by sblvro
congrats on your new tranny. this is one way honda sweeps it under the rug away from all the news. maybe it is a silent recall? remember when they had to install the jet kit? because they did it voluntarily, it was not in the radar of consumer reports and they still gave very good ratings, all those honda magazines, unbelievable!
I wouldn't call doing the "right thing" sweeping it under the rug. There are certain Honda models that have significant numbers of tranny failures. The warranty on those models in the affected years was upped to 109K. CR reliability surveys are from owners who have no reason not to admit that they had a transmission replaced, even if it was fully reimbursed. Check out the 2001/2002 MDX black dots under tranny reliability - those are from owners, most of whom were fully reimbursed out of warranty. The low number of tranny problems reported on this site for the Pilot supports the better than average/much better than average tranny rating. The tranny jet kit does not solve the failure problem of the models with significant problems - the most comparable is the MDX. If you look at the CR individual year reliability data for the Honda/Acura models that were affected, everyone has black dots under tranny reliability for those years. Honda/Acura eventually solved the problem with a tranny redesign and reimbursed most owners who had problems, thus they remain recommended. |
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| rocky |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
So, I got a pleasant surprise this morning. Dealer called and Honda will pick up most of the cost. This is going to cost me $650. I did not expect that at all.
I get a 3 year/36K mileage warranty on the new tranny too. Pretty impressive. But I'll admit I'm still dissapointed that this happened at all...$650 isn't exactly chicken feed.
BTW, dude who called me out for "emotions getting the better of me"..uh yeah, isn't that what "I'm so pissed right now" usually means? We're not all Spock, man.
Chill man.
You come here for the benefit of our experience and got it. Newbies should be more respectful of those with experience on this Forum if they want help in future. :14: :14: |
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| youbetcha |
On the determination of overall quality:
These days, if you have a problem, you can go online and find others with the same problem (vis-a-vis this site!).
But finding others with the same problem doesn't mean that a problem is or isn't prevalent. You may find 25 people online with a transmission problem, that would make it seem like a lot, but you wouldn't be able to tell if that is representative of the hundreds of thousands of transmissions Honda makes, and if that compares favorably to past years' quality.
Also, I'm not sure it makes sense to conclude that people who had a car fixed by Honda, would under-report it on a Consumer Reports survey. |
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| lizzy40 |
| My 2007 had to have its transmission replace at 1 year old with less then 10,000 miles on it. The dealer said they think that it was bad from the factory. I have always been upset about that because that should have never happened and it makes me worry sometimes that is this next one I have in there going to go bad too and what else is bad in my pilot from the factory. Trannies are pretty major. |
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| macphanatic |
The issue with the CR reliability ratings is that it is based upon what owners report, how they treat the vehicle, and any prejudice they may have.
I know a lot of people that don't maintain their vehicles, beat the crap out of them, and then complain about vehicle quality when something breaks. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by lizzy40
My 2007 had to have its transmission replace at 1 year old with less then 10,000 miles on it. The dealer said they think that it was bad from the factory. I have always been upset about that because that should have never happened and it makes me worry sometimes that is this next one I have in there going to go bad too and what else is bad in my pilot from the factory. Trannies are pretty major.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. The chances of a second tranny going bad are very low. The above average tranny reliability rating from the CR owner surveys suports that. Your case sounds like an infant mortality issue - something is wrong from the beginning and failure happens early. If you had one of the "problem tranny" vehicles 2001/2002 MDX etc. it would be a different story, as the fix for the problem prone tranny was a redesign to the current one. This redesign has a low problem rate over all the models. The 2007 Pilot has the new tranny design, however, the Pilot did not have significant problems with the old design. |
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| jl_ss |
quote:
Originally posted by macphanatic
The issue with the CR reliability ratings is that it is based upon what owners report, how they treat the vehicle, and any prejudice they may have.
I know a lot of people that don't maintain their vehicles, beat the crap out of them, and then complain about vehicle quality when something breaks.
I've found that CR accurately mirrors that problems that people are experiencing in the forums I've participated in. The data does lag a bit because the surveys are only done once a year, so forums are still the best source for the latest info.
Of our current vehicles, the Pilot has had no problems and the Silverado has had a number of major problems that correspond with the problem areas listed in CR's reliability table. |
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| robrecht |
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Originally posted by sblvro
congrats on your new tranny. this is one way honda sweeps it under the rug away from all the news. maybe it is a silent recall? remember when they had to install the jet kit? because they did it voluntarily, it was not in the radar of consumer reports and they still gave very good ratings, all those honda magazines, unbelievable!
What do you mean under the radar? The recall was fully reported in the automotive press. IIRC, one guy even wrote a famous C&W song about it. |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by krambrain
So, I got a pleasant surprise this morning. Dealer called and Honda will pick up most of the cost. This is going to cost me $650. I did not expect that at all.
I get a 3 year/36K mileage warranty on the new tranny too. Pretty impressive. But I'll admit I'm still dissapointed that this happened at all...$650 isn't exactly chicken feed.
BTW, dude who called me out for "emotions getting the better of me"..uh yeah, isn't that what "I'm so pissed right now" usually means? We're not all Spock, man.
Wow, congratulations, I think that's a great resolution. |
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| Bowzer |
CR pretty accurately reflects my experience as well. I think it is one of the better resources at least to show the odds of problematic makes vs dependable ones.
On Honda "sweeping things under the rug": That post hit me as a glass half empty kind of comment. Honda ponied up on covering costs on a defect...a pretty darned expensive one at that. What would you have them do differently? You can focus on the problem or you can look at the reaction and solution.
As a CR subscriber and by default contributor for reporting repairs, I can say I didn't hesitate to list the tranny failure. |
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| youbetcha |
| Does anybody remember the days when car odometers only counted up to 100,000 miles? |
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| krygny |
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Originally posted by youbetcha
Does anybody remember the days when car odometers only counted up to 100,000 miles?
You mean even GM cars now have the 6th digit?!! They have to be kidding!! :19: |
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| youbetcha |
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Originally posted by krygny
You mean even GM cars now have the 6th digit?!! They have to be kidding!! :19:
Wouldn't have mattered in my old Pontiac, the odometer one day stopped counting miles all together. This same car, I knew I was going 50 MPH, because the speedometer fluttered back and forth between 45 MPH and 55 MPH. I kind of had to average it.
I fixed that problem but gave up on that car after my third set of brakes -- not the pads, the calipers. |
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| malmon |
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Originally posted by youbetcha
On the determination of overall quality:
These days, if you have a problem, you can go online and find others with the same problem (vis-a-vis this site!).
But finding others with the same problem doesn't mean that a problem is or isn't prevalent. You may find 25 people online with a transmission problem, that would make it seem like a lot, but you wouldn't be able to tell if that is representative of the hundreds of thousands of transmissions Honda makes, and if that compares favorably to past years' quality.
Also, I'm not sure it makes sense to conclude that people who had a car fixed by Honda, would under-report it on a Consumer Reports survey.
But the owners of the hundreds of thousands of Honda transmissions are not registered here. So those who posted with similar problems reflects either a design or production problem which is prevalent to the pilot. Not to mention those who encountered problems but did not bother to post since somebody already did. |
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| youbetcha |
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Originally posted by malmon
But the owners of the hundreds of thousands of Honda transmissions are not registered here. So those who posted with similar problems reflects either a design or production problem which is prevalent to the pilot. Not to mention those who encountered problems but did not bother to post since somebody already did.
I just think there is no way of knowing, and that is because issues get a bit of funneled here.
So, just as an example, I read Honda sells 150,000 Pilots a year, so maybe they've sold a million Pilots, or something in that range. If only 500 honda pilot owners had the same catastrophic problem, and 50 of that group went online to search about it, wouldn't a majority end up at this website?
That traffic (which is a ton more than what was generated by the OP) might make it seem like a lot, but it might not actually be a lot.
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| malmon |
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Originally posted by youbetcha
I just think there is no way of knowing, and that is because issues get a bit of funneled here.
So, just as an example, I read Honda sells 150,000 Pilots a year, so maybe they've sold a million Pilots, or something in that range. If only 500 honda pilot owners had the same catastrophic problem, and 50 of that group went online to search about it, wouldn't a majority end up at this website?
That traffic (which is a ton more than what was generated by the OP) might make it seem like a lot, but it might not actually be a lot.
:)
What was generated by the OP are responses from members with similar problems, I am sure there are other members also with the same issue who did not see this thread or did not bother to post. |
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| Sportymonk |
People tend to come to forums to either gain info about a potential purchase, get info on how to fix or do a mod, or to complain. (This forum goes far beyond that with its open discussions, family feel, and occasional thread drift. :p ) That said, you don't see a lot of people writing to say that their vehicle has no problems.
So let me be one. Luckily I have had no problems on my 05 EX-L at 62,000 miles. New tires (53,000), transmission fluid (Left out one tiny word!!) changed at 30K and 60K, etc. Only issues have been a front passenger window that sticks sometimes sticks on first try and the CD player skips if it is over 86 and the windows are down (humid goes without saying in NC). Beats my old Chevy Impala and other previous cars hands down. :D |
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| sblvro |
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Originally posted by jl_ss
I wouldn't call doing the "right thing" sweeping it under the rug. There are certain Honda models that have significant numbers of tranny failures. The warranty on those models in the affected years was upped to 109K. CR reliability surveys are from owners who have no reason not to admit that they had a transmission replaced, even if it was fully reimbursed. Check out the 2001/2002 MDX black dots under tranny reliability - those are from owners, most of whom were fully reimbursed out of warranty. The low number of tranny problems reported on this site for the Pilot supports the better than average/much better than average tranny rating. The tranny jet kit does not solve the failure problem of the models with significant problems - the most comparable is the MDX. If you look at the CR individual year reliability data for the Honda/Acura models that were affected, everyone has black dots under tranny reliability for those years. Honda/Acura eventually solved the problem with a tranny redesign and reimbursed most owners who had problems, thus they remain recommended.
it is still sweeping under the rug to get all those reliability scores up. It all started with a few odysseys and MDX having tranny issues. but it was underreported because if something fails, after a few coaxing from the owners they were replaced. despite all these failures, they have rated the oddyseys/MDX best buys? now came the pilot. without much tranny redesign, used the old tranny inherent in the MDX and made it standard fare to the pilot. I don't have any tranny issues but the jet kit was a bummer-fairly new and needed the jet kit? I could have bought a duck tape and put it in and it will do the same job. Despite the obvious need for jet kit to those they deemed okay and tranny replacement with those who had some signs of wear-still they kept the best buy rating? consumer reports and other lap magazines. why was there no total recall and replace the tranny and let the owners not worry about the failure down the road? it would be cheaper to just do the jet kit and by the time it fails anyway it is past the warranty period.
slap a honda badge on a saturn and they will buy it. that is why they can design an ugly vehicle like the new pilot and thinks that everybody will like it because it is a honda. despite its poor mileage rating, it is not red flagged for false advertisement when the actual owners were getting less than rated mileage.
:rolleyes: so far, despite all these reports about tranny failure, I'm just glad that the jet kit provided some consolation that at 138K miles my pilot is doing fine(thank you) and with regular every 45K mile tranny drain and fill and every 15K mile VTM fluid drain and fill it will do its job. adding the tranny cooler when I installed the tow hitch should cool down the engine and tranny temp when used. I have been using Mobil 1 synthetic since day one and I know the engine can last for a long time. |
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| sblvro |
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Originally posted by Sportymonk
New tires (53,000), transmission changed at 30K and 60K, etc. .... :D
transmission replaced or just fluid changed? |
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| Sportymonk |
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Originally posted by sblvro
transmission replaced or just fluid changed?
Ooopppss, Fluid changed. Thanks for spotting that will go change. |
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| jl_ss |
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Originally posted by sblvro
it is still sweeping under the rug to get all those reliability scores up. It all started with a few odysseys and MDX having tranny issues. but it was underreported because if something fails, after a few coaxing from the owners they were replaced. despite all these failures, they have rated the oddyseys/MDX best buys? now came the pilot. without much tranny redesign, used the old tranny inherent in the MDX and made it standard fare to the pilot. I don't have any tranny issues but the jet kit was a bummer-fairly new and needed the jet kit? I could have bought a duck tape and put it in and it will do the same job. Despite the obvious need for jet kit to those they deemed okay and tranny replacement with those who had some signs of wear-still they kept the best buy rating? consumer reports and other lap magazines. why was there no total recall and replace the tranny and let the owners not worry about the failure down the road? it would be cheaper to just do the jet kit and by the time it fails anyway it is past the warranty period.
slap a honda badge on a saturn and they will buy it. that is why they can design an ugly vehicle like the new pilot and thinks that everybody will like it because it is a honda. despite its poor mileage rating, it is not red flagged for false advertisement when the actual owners were getting less than rated mileage.
:rolleyes: so far, despite all these reports about tranny failure, I'm just glad that the jet kit provided some consolation that at 138K miles my pilot is doing fine(thank you) and with regular every 45K mile tranny drain and fill and every 15K mile VTM fluid drain and fill it will do its job. adding the tranny cooler when I installed the tow hitch should cool down the engine and tranny temp when used. I have been using Mobil 1 synthetic since day one and I know the engine can last for a long time.
If you want to continue to call addressing the issuing "sweeping it under the rug", that's up to you. Then Toyota swept it's sludge problem, recent tranny issues, and replacement of full Tundra engines for a camshaft problem under the rug. GM did not address it's quality issues and look where they are now. Hondas and Toyotas continue to get best buy ratings because they addressed their problems while companies like GM and Ford didn't.
Failures are not under reported. Check Consumer reports - all the problem years have big black dots under tranny reliability for the years affected. The 2003-2006 Pilot has the same tranny as the original 2001/2002 MDX. All those MDX's got jet kits also - they still fail at the same rate. The Pilot doesn't fail any more than it's better than average rating shows. As noted, there are very few tranny failure posts here compared to the number of Pilots sold. Check any forum for a model with a problem tranny and you will find many posts on tranny problems. No one really knows why it doesn't fail in the Pilot. The newer Pilots had more HP than the original MDX and the Pilots are used more for towing/utility purposes.
There was likely no total recall because the worst failure rate was for the 2001 CL which was 25%. All the other models were lower. You won't find any company that will incur 75+% unnecessary cost on an expensive item. The jet kit addressed what they thought was the problem at the time. Turns out it was more than that and they redesigned the whole transmission. The new tranny is not retrofitable, so they continue paying for new older trannies in the older models up to 109K under the warranty extension and under a reasonable amount of miles for those not under the warranty extension (MDX).
It's good that your tranny is doing well, based on the reliability ratings, and relatively few problem posts, I'd expect it to continue to do well. |
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| youbetcha |
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Originally posted by krygny
You mean even GM cars now have the 6th digit?!! They have to be kidding!! :19:
GM cars always had a sixth digit, it's just that they used it for tenths of a mile, when everyone else was using a sixth digit to count hundred thousands of miles. :D |
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| GreenMachine |
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Originally posted by youbetcha
Wouldn't have mattered in my old Pontiac, the odometer one day stopped counting miles all together.
I had an '87 Pontiac Grand Am SE, and the digitial odometer stopped counting at 199,999. I was all excited to see it flip back to zero because the first digit could only be a one. After a couple miles, I was not happy seeing as I was going to have to use the trip odometer to keep track of the miles. When I called Pontiac about it, they said that's how they designed it. I guess you could say they didn't expect them to last that long. It went another 30K miles before one of the main bearing for the crank went bad. Great looking car, but not worth fixing. :(
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