| jay |
It's being reported that Joe Gibbs has accepted a 5 year deal to coach the Redskins again. Wow! I can't believe it, and can't wait until training camp opens. It's also being reported that he's already hired Joe Bugel as offensive line coach (deja vu all over again), and a defensive coordinator - not Richie Pettibone.
Anyone at all familiar with this area knows that Coach Gibbs is a living legend. Politics is second fiddle to the Redskins in this town, and the master violinist returns!
Coach Gibbs gives back to the community as well. His Youth Life Ministries group, hope I got the name right, has a campus here in Prince William County, and they've helped countless boys and girls.
This is a great day for the return of Professional Football with the Washington Redskins. Can't wait until Dallas week- which Coaches George Allen and Tom Landry popularized !
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| SteveLuman |
| Dallas will still kick the lame Redskins A$$E$! The Cowboys just need to get rid of Lame Duck Qunicy Carter. |
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| Titans Fan |
Jay, Congrats to you and Redskins fans everywhere! Joe Gibbs is truly one of the good guys and class acts - both in the NFL and NASCAR.
Gibbs and Parcel together in the NFC East, am I in a time warp or what?
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| jay |
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Originally posted by SteveLuman
Dallas will still kick the lame Redskins A$$E$! The Cowboys just need to get rid of Lame Duck Qunicy Carter.
Maybe, but won't the anticipation the week before be truly exciting again! :p Two masters in a face-off, life is good again!:p |
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| kemosabe |
| I grew up watching Joe Gibbs win 3 Super Bowls with the Redskins and I'm thrilled that he's back -- I just hope his return doesn't turn into a flop like with Michael Jordan and the Wizards and Jaromir Jagr with the Capitals... |
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| Ziploc |
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Originally posted by kemosabe
I grew up watching Joe Gibbs win 3 Super Bowls with the Redskins and I'm thrilled that he's back -- I just hope his return doesn't turn into a flop like with Michael Jordan and the Wizards and Jaromir Jagr with the Capitals...
Those of us who've followed the Baltimore Orioles over the years also recall the brief return of Earl Weaver as manager in 1985-86, which turned out to be a flop or, certainly, disappointing in terms of winning results (sub-.500). Even the great Earl of Baltimore could not help the Orioles team he inherited regain its winning form.
Then again, to many folks, Earl seemed to have lost some of the fiery temperament and maybe the will to win that characterized his Hall of Fame managerial career during the Orioles' "Glory Years." No doubt, he inherited a bunch of players who didn't measure up to many of those on past teams. Plus, the club was under "new ownership" that was over-controlling, uptight, and making unwise moves in a desperate attempt to produce the winner of past years.
But a big difference between Gibbs and Weaver may be that Gibbs stayed competitive on the racing circuit during his "retirement," still racking up wins and enjoying success. (Weaver reluctantly left Florida and the golf course after many entreaties from the Oriole's new owner.) Gibb's heart really seems in it; plus, he was able to negotiate a lot of control over the team from an owner who was ready to defer to Gibb's magic (and judgment) in rediscovering how to win.
I'm not really a Skins fan, but it'll be fun to watch how "Joe Gibbs--the Sequel" plays out. :cool: |
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| kemosabe |
I was one of the 90,098 fans at FedEx Field last Sunday for the regular season opener of the Redskins and the return of Coach Gibbs...
2 hot dogs, 2 drinks, and nachos: $25.00 :eek: :eek: |
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| john802 |
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Originally posted by kemosabe
2 hot dogs, 2 drinks, and nachos: $25.00 :eek: :eek:
That's less than what it cost me @ a lakers game last season.;) |
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| Stevie B |
| It's nice to see Joe back on the sidelines. I predicted before the start of last season that the 'Skins would go 5-11, and I hit it right on the money. I'm thinking they'll go 7-9 this season. We'll see in a couple of months. |
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| kemosabe |
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Originally posted by Stevie B
It's nice to see Joe back on the sidelines. I predicted before the start of last season that the 'Skins would go 5-11, and I hit it right on the money. I'm thinking they'll go 7-9 this season. We'll see in a couple of months.
I'm hoping it's a good year for Joe Gibbs:
1. NFL: NFC Championship (Super Bowl might be a long shot) :29:
2. NASCAR: Nextel Cup Championship for Tony Stewart :29: |
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| Ziploc |
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Originally posted by kemosabe
I'm hoping it's a good year for Joe Gibbs:
1. NFL: NFC Championship (Super Bowl might be a long shot) :29:
2. NASCAR: Nextel Cup Championship for Tony Stewart :29:
Kemo, I bet you had a fantastic time at FedEx Field last Sunday!
Whereas I can't really claim to be a Skins fan (in my neck of the woods, our hearts left with the B'more Colts that dreadful nite), I recognize that Joe Gibbs has always been a class act and I have to wish him and the team well.
But, based on what I hear from those who at least claim to be knowledgeable, it might be best for Skins fans to rein in their expectations a bit, esp. this first year *. (Rome wasn't built in.....well, you know.) And Snyder needs to keep his fingers out of the pie, too.
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* Can't help but think of all the hopes that rode on Earl Weaver's return as manager of the B'more Orioles some years back. Even the Great Earl of Baltimore with his Hall of Fame credentials couldn't return the magic to that team. (Though I grant you, those "O's"were probably further gone than this present Redskins franchise!) |
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| kemosabe |
| I agree, Ziploc, that my expectations are kind of high for the Skins -- I was with them through thick and thin during Gibbs Era I and saw the great things that he did -- and after two seasons with Steve Spurrier's Fun & Gun, well, I'll just leave it at that!!! ;) |
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| jay |
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Originally posted by kemosabe
I agree, Ziploc, that my expectations are kind of high for the Skins -- I was with them through thick and thin during Gibbs Era I and saw the great things that he did -- and after two seasons with Steve Spurrier's Fun & Gun, well, I'll just leave it at that!!! ;)
It's amazing how exciting a Joe Gibbs team is running a Marty Schottenheimer offense, isn't it.
"But Senator, Joe Gibbs is our friend. We know Joe Gibbs, and Marty S. is no Joe Gibbs." :D |
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| kemosabe |
The amazing thing about Joe Gibbs is that he won three Lombardi Trophies with three different quarterbacks:
Super Bowl XVII: Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XXII: Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXVI: Mark Rypien
And he won two NASCAR championships with two different drivers:
Winston Cup 2000: Bobby Labonte
Winston Cup 2002: Tony Stewart
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| ramirami |
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Originally posted by kemosabe
I agree, Ziploc, that my expectations are kind of high for the Skins -- I was with them through thick and thin during Gibbs Era I and saw the great things that he did -- and after two seasons with Steve Spurrier's Fun & Gun, well, I'll just leave it at that!!! ;)
how do you Redskin fands feel about Mr Gibbs now-a-days.....has the game passed him by...you think its just bad personel??? |
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| Preludetundra |
| I think the game has passed him by. Couldn't happen to a nicer owner. |
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| jay |
Joe Gibbs has 3 SuperBowl rings and a place in the Hall of Fame. He's already paid for himself in Redskins merchandise sales, I'd bet. The team is usually competitive each week, with such a strong defense. They could easily have been 7-3 instead of 3-7, even with that gosh-awful Brunell at QB.
ramirami, I wouldn't trade Joe Gibbs for Lovey Smith. :p |
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| Preludetundra |
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Originally posted by ramirami
how do you Redskin fands feel about Mr Gibbs now-a-days.....has the game passed him by...you think its just bad personel???
Michael Jordan, as great as he was in his prime, could not help the Wizards. Joe Gibbs in his prime was a great coach. Great sport figures once they are over the hill should not attempt living in the past. As great as MJ was, his reputation but not his pocketbook was tarnished by his Wizard's debacle. I'm afraid that Gibbs has fallen into the same trap. I think that Gibbs will walk away after two dismal years a defeated man. For one thing he doesn't have Bobby Beathard here to pick winning players. Gibbs may be a great coach but he has already made some bonehead player selections that no coaching genius could overcome. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Preludetundra
Michael Jordan, as great as he was in his prime, could not help the Wizards. Joe Gibbs in his prime was a great coach. Great sport figures once they are over the hill should not attempt living in the past. As great as MJ was, his reputation but not his pocketbook was tarnished by his Wizard's debacle. I'm afraid that Gibbs has fallen into the same trap. I think that Gibbs will walk away after two dismal years a defeated man. For one thing he doesn't have Bobby Beathard here to pick winning players. Gibbs may be a great coach but he has already made some bonehead player selections that no coaching genius could overcome.
I don't know about walking away in two years, but I agree with the player selections. Mike Holmgen in Seattle, after all his success as coach in Green Bay, is proof enough that one person can't be GM and coach both.
Regardless, I'm happy that Joe Gibbs is here, Charlie Casserly is in Houston, and Norv Turner is about as many air miles away from here as you can get. ;)
Norv's my odds-on favorite to be the first coach fired this season. His brother Ron's already been canned at Illinois, after working similar Turner magic on the collegiate level.:rolleyes: |
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| ramirami |
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Originally posted by jay
ramirami, I wouldn't trade Joe Gibbs for Lovey Smith. :p
no..I am not trying to make fun of the redskins....I seriously am wondering if the game has changed too much for folks like Gibbs, parcell etc....
as far a Lovey Smith...I think the coaching staff has the players well prepared...however management screwed up big time by not having a backup to Rex grossman....right now at the quarteback position they dont resemble an NFL team...no they dont even resemble a division 1 team :3: :3: :3: |
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| Titans Fan |
quote:
Originally posted by Preludetundra
Michael Jordan, as great as he was in his prime, could not help the Wizards. Joe Gibbs in his prime was a great coach. Great sport figures once they are over the hill should not attempt living in the past. As great as MJ was, his reputation but not his pocketbook was tarnished by his Wizard's debacle. I'm afraid that Gibbs has fallen into the same trap. I think that Gibbs will walk away after two dismal years a defeated man. For one thing he doesn't have Bobby Beathard here to pick winning players. Gibbs may be a great coach but he has already made some bonehead player selections that no coaching genius could overcome.
There's a big difference between coming out of retirement to play, versus coming back to coach. It doesn't matter if Gibbs walks the sidelines a step slower. Can he still coach? Even Parcells wasn't expected to turn his teams around until the second year. |
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| Titans Fan |
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Originally posted by jay
... Norv's my odds-on favorite to be the first coach fired this season. His brother Ron's already been canned at Illinois, after working similar Turner magic on the collegiate level.:rolleyes:
My money would be on Haslett in New Orleans.:behead: |
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| Preludetundra |
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Originally posted by Titans Fan
There's a big difference between coming out of retirement to play, versus coming back to coach. It doesn't matter if Gibbs walks the sidelines a step slower. Can he still coach? Even Parcells wasn't expected to turn his teams around until the second year.
It's not the walking a step slower, it;s the thinking a little slower. "Time waits for no man." The game including free agency and the many other changes have passed him by.
The jury is still out on Parcells and Dallas. Maybe if Gibbs hires an offensive genius like he did in Williams his defensive genius and just walks the sidelines and looks sad he may be a winner.
He may coach but he can't pick players. My guess is still 2 and out. However, would like to be wrong. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by ramirami
no..I am not trying to make fun of the redskins....I seriously am wondering if the game has changed too much for folks like Gibbs, parcell etc....
as far a Lovey Smith...I think the coaching staff has the players well prepared...however management screwed up big time by not having a backup to Rex grossman....right now at the quarteback position they dont resemble an NFL team...no they dont even resemble a division 1 team :3: :3: :3:
Well, they appear to have fixed one bonehead move with another. Jeff George.:rolleyes: |
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| Mark B |
jay,
I was at the Steelers/Redskins game on Sunday. The 'skins have a great defense and it was a good test for the Steeler's offense.
If the Steelers stay healthy, I'm looking for a Steelers/Eagles superbowl.
If you have a couple minutes, could you send me a PM? Thanks.
Mark B |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Mark B
jay,
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If you have a couple minutes, could you send me a PM? Thanks.
Mark B
You have PM.:p |
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| kemosabe |
I think Gibbs will last the whole five years of his contract. I also believe he'll turn things around within those five years.
Many people say that Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks (Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien), but he has also won 2 NASCAR Winston Cup championships with two different drivers (Bobby Labonte, Tony Stewart). Everything the guy touches is successful, eventually... :) |
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| jay |
| The Monday after a Redskins win is always a great day! Nice looking win, too, over the Giants.:p |
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| tangotango99 |
| America's Team own the Redskins.Mr Gibbs need to make a B-Line to his gasoline ally He will have better luck there:2: |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by tangotango99
America's Team own the Redskins.Mr Gibbs need to make a B-Line to his gasoline ally He will have better luck there:2:
Like you have any room to brag, if you're referring to Da 'Boys. Even Parcells and Testaverde can't turn that team around.:rolleyes: |
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| kemosabe |
| The one game that I missed this year and they have to go ahead and break the 20-point barrier that was so elusive to the offense this whole year! Guess I'll have to catch the highlights on Redskins Extra (local Fox 5 station) at 11pm... :D |
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| kemosabe |
| Hall of Fame Coach Joe Gibbs finished the season at 6-10 (slightly better than his predecessor, Steve Spurrier, who had a 5-11 record last year). Not quite what everyone expected... Perhaps next year!!! :) :) :) |
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| tangotango99 |
| Kemo and Jay...Mr Gibbs have retired again,please share your thoughts on his two coaching seasons and his possible replacement. |
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| jay |
In a way I'm not surprised. And given the tough year for the team and the way he handled it, I think the Gibbs legacy is intact.
I also think Snyder is a better owner now, and I'm okay with Gibbs being his special assistant.
It's amazing that 4 years has passed already since his return to coaching. It's been nice to see the fan support return since he returned, and I hope the Redskins can move onward and upward from here. |
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| Nathan_P |
He was/is still a great coach & I definitely agree w/ Jay that his legacy is still intact. It was surely a tough year for the Redskins & I wish him the best.
So has he said if he is going to go back to just NASCAR? |
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| jay |
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Originally posted by Nathan_P
He was/is still a great coach & I definitely agree w/ Jay that his legacy is still intact. It was surely a tough year for the Redskins & I wish him the best.
So has he said if he is going to go back to just NASCAR?
Joe Gibbs Racing's in good hand with JD. He'll do his time as special assistant to Snyder to fulfill his contract (and earn an equity stake in the Redskins) and spend time with his grandchildren. And maybe see a few races in person. :p |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by jay
Joe Gibbs Racing's in good hand with JD. He'll do his time as special assistant to Snyder to fulfill his contract (and earn an equity stake in the Redskins) and spend time with his grandchildren. And maybe see a few races in person. :p
He is definitely a class act and I wish him well,it is a shame the game of today have antiquated his style of coaching. |
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| Preludetundra |
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Originally posted by jay
I also think Snyder is a better owner now, and I'm okay with Gibbs being his special assistant.
If Snyder is such a great owner, why wouldn't anyone take his job offer. He had to hire Jim Horn as head coach, someone he had already hired as QB/Offensive coordinator. My guess is the fact that Snyder had already hired all the assistants and any new coach would have no say in his coaching staff. His hands on approach is worse than Steinbrenner's used to be with the Yankees. As long as Snyder is in control I think the Redskins are doomed to failure. |
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| tangotango99 |
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Originally posted by Preludetundra
If Snyder is such a great owner, why wouldn't anyone take his job offer. He had to hire Jim Horn as head coach, someone he had already hired as QB/Offensive coordinator. My guess is the fact that Snyder had already hired all the assistants and any new coach would have no say in his coaching staff. His hands on approach is worse than Steinbrenner's used to be with the Yankees. As long as Snyder is in control I think the Redskins are doomed to failure.
Snyder is part of new breed of owners,they believe in total hands on approach, in due time they do relinquish control. |
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| jay |
quote:
Originally posted by Preludetundra
If Snyder is such a great owner, why wouldn't anyone take his job offer. He had to hire Jim Horn as head coach, someone he had already hired as QB/Offensive coordinator. My guess is the fact that Snyder had already hired all the assistants and any new coach would have no say in his coaching staff. His hands on approach is worse than Steinbrenner's used to be with the Yankees. As long as Snyder is in control I think the Redskins are doomed to failure.
Well, I guess he proved me wrong. :p |
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| krygny |
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Originally posted by jay
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I also think Snyder is a better owner now, and I'm okay with Gibbs being his special assistant.
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I think that was an illusion created by Gibss - i.e., his ability to deal with Snyder. Nobody else has Snyder's respect, he's still apparently as big an @$$hole as he ever was and he's gone back to what he was doing before Gibbs' return. Not that I really care, but I hate to see any historically great sports franchise ruined by "a new breed of owner" (i.e., any but-plug with a lot of money and no sense of the sport). As a Giants fan, I hate the Redskins but I'd like to at least respect them as an organization.
We have the same situation here in NY with the Knicks. There is simply no hope. |
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| Preludetundra |
| The game had past Gibbs by before he returned to the Redskins. If Gibbs gave Snyder input in selecting the assistants before hiring a new coach, then Gibbs became a yes man for money. Gibbs had to know that he himself would not become head coach with no input in selecting his assistants. Do you believe Gibbs recommended Zorn to be head coach when his only experience is coaching QBs? If he did he really has become Snyder's toady. |
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| kemosabe |
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Originally posted by jay
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I also think Snyder is a better owner now, and I'm okay with Gibbs being his special assistant.
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Personally, I think that that "special assistant" thing is B.S. and I don't mean a college degree. It was a polite way to ease out of his 5-year contract after 4 years and still lead the D.C. minions hope that there is still going to be a Gibbs connection.
Saint Joe is happy back in Huntersville, N.C. watching two of his drivers in the top 10 standings. |
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| Preludetundra |
quote:
Originally posted by kemosabe
Personally, I think that that "special assistant" thing is B.S. and I don't mean a college degree. It was a polite way to ease out of his 5-year contract after 4 years and still lead the D.C. minions hope that there is still going to be a Gibbs connection.
Saint Joe is happy back in Huntersville, N.C. watching two of his drivers in the top 10 standings.
I tend to agree with you. However, I think it was a mistake to bring Joe Gibbs back in the first place. I also think it was a mistake for Michael Jordan to attempt a comeback with the Wizards. Ego and money will not let these great sport s figures accept the fact that their days in the sun have past. I also think that Dan Snyder and the rest of the minions have set the Redskins back big time. |
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| kemosabe |
The Danny has always idolized Joe Gibbs, so when the chance to bring a "legend" back to be head coach, The Danny pounced on it. I mean, who wouldn't?
At the time, Gibbs' youngest son (Coy Gibbs) expressed an interest to be involved in football so that got the ball rolling for Joe. Coy was an offensive assistant during season 1 and then decided it wasn't for him, leaving his dad @ Redskins Park. So, it was a combo of the money, the itch, and his son that brought JG back.
The other "local" team (Orioles) tried the same thing with Earl Weaver and that, too, failed miserably. I agree that MJ should not have put on the shorts and laced up the Air Jordan shoes. I also don't believe that any of these "failures" diminishes in any way the achievements that these Hall of Fame folks have achieved in their heydays...
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