| SteveB |
| If you had two gas station right next to each other, let's say a Mobil and a Shell. Would buy gas from the station that is selling it cheaper even though you may not buy it from them all the time? |
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| camanopilot |
| Exxon and then Costco - at scaring the liver out of $2/gal I'll out for the less expensive.:eek: |
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| iivtecracerii |
why not? its cheaper. these days cheaper is always better (for gas). :D
Mobil and Shell sound expensive. i would go down the street and look for an Arco or some private mom and pop gas station. :p
filled up at costco today at $1.989 a gallon. lowest price in several weeks. :rolleyes:
gas is gas. as long as its unleaded and at least 87 octane i dont really care what station i get it from. |
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| Samuel2003 |
| I would only put Arco (or any "cheaper") gas in a rental or beater vehicle. I worked at a motorcycle dealership (Honda/Kawi) for a few years in the early-mid 90's. We had quite a few customers bring their bikes in with mechanical/performance problems that went away after they stopped using Arco gas. |
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| kemosabe |
Isn't this how Arco works...??? :confused:
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| Oahu_Dave |
| I try to only buy Shell, when I can that is. No matter the price. Just personal preference after my experiences with my STi I tried all brands and the only one that let my STi run detonation free was Shell. Does any of that pertain to the Pilot, probably not, but I atleast try to find Shell and then go Texaco/Chevron/76. I stay away from the Arco, 7-11 and Costco stuff. Mainly from the guys I used to race with that the track in Hawaii and their experiences. They got samples from the gas stations and had them tested and Arco mainly was pretty much cr@p and Costco wasnt much better. We could really tell when racing the cars too. |
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| nolan65 |
| I buy gas from any well known, HIGH VOLUME place |
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| calbear |
Shell always made my toyota camry knock... I like Chevron, but admit I use the Arco b/c everyone else is about 10% more expensive and that's rediculous!
Used 76's 106 octane once in my SLK 320 when I took it to Sears Point --now that was awesome! The car automatically advanced the timing and the power was noticeable. Broke 100 going up the drag strip (for those who know the track), pulling away from the porsche 911 (albeit 1999 model) that was following. :2: |
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| desertpilot |
I use mostly Chevron for my Pilot because there are a lot of their stations in my area and their prices are not too high. If it's not available, my alternative choices are Texaco, Shell, 76 and other brand name companies. I'll pass on the Arco and wholesale gas unless they're the only station around, but I'll only buy the minimum amount of gas to make it to a major brand station that I prefer.
My father had a bad experience with Arco and wholesale gas with his former Cougar, it messed up his fuel system. On a long 2,400 road trip on my other car, using different brands of gas, I found out that the Texaco performed better than others. It could be, the brand matched with the car's tuning and engine type.
If you want performance, you might have to experiment and try the different brands first and then settle on the best gas for your truck. |
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| osteome |
We tend to go with whoever is cheapest / most convenient out of the Shell, Mobil, and Citgo in our immediate area. 87 Octane is hovering around 1.70 at the present time (5/2/04).
When I had my Jeep and was going to school in Maine (about 98 to 99), I remember buying gas at the local BJs wholesale club for about 90 cents a gallon :rolleyes: |
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| devin1955 |
I've been buying my gas mostly at Arco stations since the early 70's. I remember when the first gas shortage happened back then, and Arco was a major brand with their own credit card. They eliminated their credit card saying that it cost them too much to deal with credit, and vowed to use the cost savings to keep their gas prices lower.
I never believed at the time that they would honor that, but they have. 30 years later they are still cheaper than any other major brand. Now maybe they do that by using crappy gas, I don't know. But I haven't experienced any troubles using it. I have 2 Arco stations near my work, and they're always about 10 cents per gallon cheaper than the 76 and Shell stations near my home 10 miles away.
My wife drives the Pilot most of the time, and she gasses up at Shell, because it's more convienent, being near home. When I'm driving though, it usually gets Arco.
Besides the cost, I like the pay at the pump machines at Arco, so I don't have to bother going inside. |
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| vellinga |
Whatever Costco is buying, I'm getting.
Today, we filled up the Pilot for $1.85 which is 15 cents cheaper than the Shell and Mobil here in town.
Never any problems with Costco gas. The 'attendants' often tell you what truck or what gas came in this week (Mobil, Shell, Amoco, etc.) Whether that's true or not, I don't know. |
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| N_Jay |
The cheapest gas that is not "out of the way".
Used to love Arco back in the No-credit days.
Now it is Costco when ever I get by and a particular high volume Citgo otherwise. |
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| calbear |
I should add that I've used Arco for a long time in two newer sports cars and over the life of a 16 year old Totyota Camry. None has ever had any issues at all.
It could be "lower quality" in some ways, but I think it might not be enough of a difference to have a significant impact unless you plan to own your car for 20 years or more... I don't... :) |
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| PNW-Pilot |
| I used ot always buy Arco. But since I moved, the local Arco isn't terribly cheaper now with the inflated price of gas. I've been buying 76 because thanks to Arco's $.35 surcharge for ATM cards, the 76 is cheaper. |
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| rockman19762001 |
| I buy what ever brand is cheapest. Gasoline is Gasoline the only difference might be a minute amount of cleaner or detergent in the gasoline if there is that much. If your worried about carbon build up buy a can of any injector cleaner and run it thorough at ever oil change. Having worked in the oil and gas business for 25 years before retiring, all the gasoline in a given area is supplied by your local refinery regardless of branding on the station signs. They add the cleaners and detergents at the bulk fill station at the plant.:1: |
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| Sandcrab |
| I boycott Shell because of their 60 years of failing to address the needs of the communities of the Niger Delta. I use Chevron when I can. |
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| sungchang |
| I use Shell on all my cars. With 5% rebate through their credit card on Shell gas, the price works out to be cheaper than many out there. |
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| Sage_EX |
Rockman is right on.
Gasoline typically come through the same pipeline or port to your local distributer. One distribution point may serve several companies, even competitors, they have reciprocal agreements, I'll unload for you in ABC city, if you for me in XYZ city. The additives for each specific company are metered in as the truck is loaded at the loading rack.
It is a very good point to buy gas at higher volume stations, as the gasoline turns over more (like rotating stock).
There are still opinions out there about who's better, etc.
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| rockman19762001 |
| Sandcrab, you better start boycotting Chevron-Texaco, ConocoPhillips, British Petroleum, Elf, and Total because all the major big companies are in the Niger Delta one way or the other. An they all have failed to meet any of the needs of the communities in Nigeria or in the Niger Delta. Big Oil takes care of big oil and that is about it. |
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| rockman19762001 |
| Sage_Ex, does make a very good point, buying gas at a high volume dealer reduces the risk of having contaminates in the fuel, if the station has old under ground steel tanks. |
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| Sage_EX |
Rockman,
Also good point about steel tanks. I was actually thinking of mositure (condensation) in tanks that do not turn over often. But steel tanks, even worse. Many stations are now at the fiberglass tank stage. I guess this depends on your location.
This is why those people with collectible cars that are not driven often are advised to keep it filled up.
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| RipRocK |
What about some of the additives that some gas companies put in their fuel, such as Chevron using Techron? And I think I saw Shell advertising their fuel containing some special additive that's supposed to have some kinda benefit and etc?
Do any of you consider that when choosing a particular gas company or do you just think that it's just a marketing ploy by them? |
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| guitarman |
| Call me a sucker, but I always use top tier gasoline, i.e., Shell, Mobil, Exxon, Amoco. And, I use premium in all my vehicles, whether they need it or not. Gasoline is your vehicles food. If you don't eat right, what happens? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by guitarman
Call me a sucker, but I always use top tier gasoline, i.e., Shell, Mobil, Exxon, Amoco. And, I use premium in all my vehicles, whether they need it or not. Gasoline is your vehicles food. If you don't eat right, what happens?
Well I can see logic to the name brand issue, but the premium (bad name, realy high octane) is misguided, per many other discussions on this and other car forums.
As for the food analogy, ???? Not quite! :2: :2: :2:
Or maybe it is a good analogy:
"If you don't eat right, what happens? "
It all depends on what "Right" is? If I ate like what is right for a football player I would be eating WRONG for me!
"Right" for your Pilot is 87 octane (2500 calories), not 94 octane (4000 calories)!:4: :4: |
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| guitarman |
| I purchase high octane for two reasons. One, and perhaps I'm misguided, but I believe that the high octane fuels contain a better suite of additives/detergents compared to "regular." Who needs fouled fuel injectors? That is also why I won't purchase gas from Costco. I also buy high octane because I find that my vehicles run better. Again, if you use low octane, your vehicle's computer system adjusts so as to avoid knocking and pinging. But, consequently performance suffers. Why not just go with the good stuff for a few cents more and get the most out of your vehicle? |
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by guitarman
I purchase high octane for two reasons. One, and perhaps I'm misguided, but I believe that the high octane fuels contain a better suite of additives/detergents compared to "regular." Who needs fouled fuel injectors? That is also why I won't purchase gas from Costco. I also buy high octane because I find that my vehicles run better. Again, if you use low octane, your vehicle's computer system adjusts so as to avoid knocking and pinging. But, consequently performance suffers. Why not just go with the good stuff for a few cents more and get the most out of your vehicle?
To each his own.
The Pilot runs fine on 87 octane. Most agree that higher octane has not benifits, and some detriments.
The premium has better additive was probably true back when only highend cars had fuel injection, and needed premium. Today I doubt that even no-name gas is that bad, but I am sure any major brand regulart is just fine. I have not had an injector problem in years (1970's/1980's vintage cars were the last) |
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| Oahu_Dave |
I really wish I could find that article that switched me from Premium to Regular. It would save everyone some money. There is absolutely NO need for premium in the Pilot, motorcycles and most cars out there unless they are performance cars like supercharged, turbo or other performance cars. Every 10 tanks or so I will now throw in premium, but not for any real reason just to satisfy that little voice in my head that bugs me.
So to each his own, but 87 in the Pilot is what it is designed for and spending an extra 20 cents per gallon isnt needed. Can actually hurt performance and fuel economy. Of course Im getting such lousy mpg anyways I would probably get about 10 mpg with premium. Not sure whats up. |
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| PNW-Pilot |
I just got 21.8 on my last fuel up. It was mostly highway, before that with a 70/30 (Hwy/City) mix i was getting 19.XX regularly. I know why my CRV, i lost around 1-2 MPG on that blasted winter fuel mix, it throws the MPG down the toilet, I'd check to see if you still getting bad mileage in the summer, then take it to honda to have them look at it.
I read an article that said that premium wasn't all that it was cracked up to be. It tends to Gum easier, because the more octane the gas contains the thicker the fuel. It went on to state that regual works in almost every car, as the engine compensates, you'll just get a little worse mileage and less power. It even went to interview several engineers who works for Honda/Acura, toyota, GM, Ford, etc... Saying that they all use regular in their premium only cars.
That being said, i still use premium in the Acura, it "requires" it, i know for a fact that it would be okay to use regular, but i'm afraid of losing warranty, and frankly it's not driven enough to make it a cost saving (7.5Kmiles/year) |
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| SteveB |
My point behind this question is that it seems that in Chicagoland area, the gas stations spike their prices (10-15% increase) on a Thursday. They then wait to see what the stations across the street do (whether they raise theirs or not). If they decide to leave the pricing alone, then the station that originally spiked their prices, lowers it back down. I travel about 30 miles to work and have noticed this especially in the Tinley Park and Orland areas on many occasions. It would seem to me if you offer gas at a cheaper price you would gain customers and make up the cost difference with volume.
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| N_Jay |
quote:
Originally posted by SteveB
My point behind this question is that it seems that in Chicagoland area, the gas stations spike their prices (10-15% increase) on a Thursday. They then wait to see what the stations across the street do (whether they raise theirs or not). If they decide to leave the pricing alone, then the station that originally spiked their prices, lowers it back down. I travel about 30 miles to work and have noticed this especially in the Tinley Park and Orland areas on many occasions. It would seem to me if you offer gas at a cheaper price you would gain customers and make up the cost difference with volume.
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Except if you sell too much you run dry before your delivery and then you loose lots of $$ in milk and cig sales (which have much higher margins than gas).
Every station manager know about where he has to be relitive to the stations around him to make sure he sells at least his alotment, and never more then in is tanks. |
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| PNW-Pilot |
quote:
Originally posted by SteveB
My point behind this question is that it seems that in Chicagoland area, the gas stations spike their prices (10-15% increase) on a Thursday. They then wait to see what the stations across the street do (whether they raise theirs or not). If they decide to leave the pricing alone, then the station that originally spiked their prices, lowers it back down. I travel about 30 miles to work and have noticed this especially in the Tinley Park and Orland areas on many occasions. It would seem to me if you offer gas at a cheaper price you would gain customers and make up the cost difference with volume.
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You would think that lower prices would be made up for in volume, but unfortunatly the average consumer is lazy, and i mean real lazy, they would rather go to the station most convient then to the cheaper one (difference is small, i think $.10 would swade anyone). Face it, everybody says they have no time, they are just lazy.
In San Diego a few years back when gas prices hit rock bottom, the local station would raise their prices on Thursday to get extra profit from those who buy their gas on weekends, then lower them on Monday. |
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| OB3 |
We almost always fill up at WAWA's in Jersey, near our beach house. This week was $1.56, compared to $2.12 in Staten Island in NY. Gas taxes kill us in SINY.
btw.... Never used Exxon since the Valdez, my own personal protest.
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| Stevie B |
| Chevron or 76. I'd walk an extra mile to avoid ARCO. |
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| allanbiats |
Around this area, I use a local company that has a high volume of gasoline sales and they have a lot of stations in this county and the next one. They have a fuel system guaranty, where if your mechanic says it was caused by their fuel, they'll compensate you. I'm not sure how they can determine you've been buying their fuel (and only theirs) and that caused the problem, but I'm hoping to never find out. There are no Exxon or Mobil stations in my local area that are convenient to me.
When I travel outside this area, I use Exxon / Mobil because they participate in the UPromise program and provide a cash rebate. For those not familair with UPromise, it is a way to get a rebate on many everyday items you purchase from the grocery store, drug store, and lots of others, including some computer brands, some automobiles, McDonalds, AOL, lots of restaurants, and many others. The rebates are automatically placed in a holding account. You then transfer the funds out of the holding account and into a 529 plan that can be used to help fund a child's college expenses.
More info available at :
UPromise
And the program is free, too. |
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| jdeanski |
| I probably use the same local company that allanbiats is talking about. Their stations are clean, well located and the gas is competitively priced and besides that they always have Diet Coke available, two 12 packs for $5.00! |
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| allanbiats |
Yep, I use GATE stations. I'm not sure where they buy their gas from, I hope it isn't from a group of suppliers though. The trucks always say Gate.
And the new Mayor of Jax likes the place too, so it must be Ok, right? |
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| Threadhead |
quote:
Originally posted by rockman19762001
I buy what ever brand is cheapest. Gasoline is Gasoline the only difference might be a minute amount of cleaner or detergent in the gasoline if there is that much. If your worried about carbon build up buy a can of any injector cleaner and run it thorough at ever oil change. Having worked in the oil and gas business for 25 years before retiring, all the gasoline in a given area is supplied by your local refinery regardless of branding on the station signs. They add the cleaners and detergents at the bulk fill station at the plant.:1:
Gotta give rockman a thums up on this one. :29:
I used to do gasoline tank analysis (statistical leak detection) and spent several days at the local distribution center. All your favorite brands are lined up there, getting the exact same gas.
And just in case you were thinking it... no, you can not 'water down' gas. The cheap gas is not diluted.
And those additives... there are some small differences between brands, but they are 99% the same. The additives are added to the tanker truck at the distro point. And the additives are the same for 87, 91, 93, all the flavors. So you are not getting better or more additives by buying the higher octane.
I'm more concerned with pumps that have been tampered with and dispense short.
Sorry folks, there is just no difference. Buy the cheapest. |
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| pilot_chip |
Buy at Costco 193 for 87 octane .
But generally from whoever is cheapest. |
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| Diesel |
| Mobil always for me... |
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| MG Pilot |
quote:
Originally posted by sungchang
I use Shell on all my cars. With 5% rebate through their credit card on Shell gas, the price works out to be cheaper than many out there.
What he said...Shell only!!! |
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| Diesel |
Mobil, not matter the price... i have a gas card with them, and i just prefer the Mobil fuel...
probably the same stuff, but i think Mobil has some better additives... |
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| Bklynprince |
| I use amoco, regular, did anyone ever use super on their pilot? |
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| coopers |
| I would buy at the cheapest place. Given the choice though I would pick a higher volume station to try and avoid getting "old" gas. |
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| elduderino |
| In my previous vehicle, Acura Integra, loading up on Texaco always felt like it ran better (just like driving right after a car wash.) Now, in the Pilot, I'll buy gas at a name brand stations on my commute (Shell or Mobil). |
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| Edog |
A lifetime ago, I raced in SCCA Solo-II events, and was therefore very concerned with squeezing every hp out of my engine. I read, and observed first hand, that the higher the octane, the more hp. My observations were of a shop doing octane comparisons on racing fuel, using a dynometer to measure hp at the wheels.
There was defniately a difference between the different octane fuels they were using. Now of course this was a fairly minimal difference, 5% or so, so most people driving a Pilot are not going to notice it.
I always put Premium in my truck (5.9l V8), because it pings when accelerating if I use regular.
I think in the real world, unless you have a high performance engine, regular or Plus is just fine.
As far as where I buy gas, I almost always go with the cheapest (with the exception of Arco). There is both a Sam's Club and a Costco gas station within two blocks of where I work. |
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| wenawen |
I have boycotted Exxon since the Exxon Valdez accident. Won't even use their restrooms!:bootyshak
But I will buy from whoever is the cheapest (as long as it's not Exxon). |
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| CarolinaPilot |
| PHILLIPS 66, BP/Amoco or Marathon Oil (good Ohio company) when I am traveling in the Midwest. 87 Octane works fine for the Pilot. |
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| 03pilotish |
| i try to buy my gas where ever Chevron gas is sold... and i tried my best not to get gas @ EXXON because of the same reason w/ wenawen... i hear that shell is starting to put additive in their gas like chevron now... cleaner emission & better gas milage sounds good to me :D |
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| john802 |
quote:
Originally posted by wenawen
I have boycotted Exxon since the Exxon Valdez accident. Won't even use their restrooms!:bootyshak
But I will buy from whoever is the cheapest (as long as it's not Exxon).
If you are boycotting oil companies because of oil spill accident, then you are just limiting yourself to a non major oil companies. All major oil companies such as mobil-exxon, chevron (aka standard oil), texaco, british petroleum, shell and union 76 at one time had a major oil spill. |
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| shiretsu |
| Tend to stick to Exxon/Mobil..Had a Mobil gas card since I started driving. |
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| wenawen |
quote:
Originally posted by john802
If you are boycotting oil companies because of oil spill accident, then you are just limiting yourself to a non major oil companies. All major oil companies such as mobil-exxon, chevron (aka standard oil), texaco, british petroleum, shell and union 76 at one time had a major oil spill.
I am not boycotting them due to the oil spill accident. I choose not to associate with the company due to the way they handled the clean up or lack there of. There are other companies that I choose not to spend my money at due to the way that they practice business or treat individuals. |
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| SimonS2k |
Anthing but ARCO! That gas, even it's 91 premium, made my S2k run like $hit
Primarily use Unocal 76 |
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| charles0176 |
| I prefer Mobil, just like my oil. |
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| john802 |
quote:
Originally posted by 03pilotish
... i hear that shell is starting to put additive in their gas like chevron now... cleaner emission & better gas milage sounds good to me :D
The first major oil company that started putting additive in their gas is Union 76 (Unocal) in the '70s. Matter of fact, the court ruled that majority of the oil companies such as Exxon-mobil, Shell, and Chevron had to pay Union '76 millions to settle a dispute on additive product infringement. |
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| gt7092b |
Any comments on QuikTrip?
I went to the Pilot ownerlink and it recommended Top Tier Detergent Gasoline. Here is a list of retailers I found at toptiergas.com:
QuikTrip
Chevron
Conoco
Phillips
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| HOO PILOT |
| I use whatever is cheapest, especially these days! |
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| Dac |
I will drive on fumes till i find a shell station,but in my area i know all the Shells around,i don't even care about the $ cause it's expensive anyways and i only buy their Gold/Supreme/Premium all the time.It's a habit i've had for many years (you geti'n what you pay for :D ).I the worse case scenario i'll buy a little Esso till i find a .....Shell:2: .
Dac |
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| john802 |
quote:
Originally posted by Dac
...the worse case scenario i'll buy a little Esso till i find a .....Shell:2: .
Dac
FYI, the parent company of Esso is Exxon-Mobil! |
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| Dac |
Thank you John802,i knew that but i still preffer Shell:) .
Dac |
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| Rico |
| There is a site: www.toptiergas.com After looking through the owners manual, and somebody directing me to that site, I will probably just stick with Chevron. |
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